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View Poll Results: Which one would you choose?
Army 7 18.42%
Air Force 31 81.58%
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Old 10-11-2006, 08:53 PM   #1
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I was just going to ask this question on my other thread but I want full attention to it. Every military person on this board. I want to know. Why you chose your side of the branch.

I have so many mixed offers between both services. Army letting you be promoted faster. Or bigger bonus on Army side. Or Army can promise you your position, Air Force cannot. Air force treats you better. Better facilities. Better food.

I want to know everything. I want to know every detail possible that you can give even if it's a 2 page report. I want to know. I want to place the foot down and know the truth. Recruitment can tell you one thing. But the people in the services is another. I want to know about where you wanted to be stationed and did you get it. Did you get the job you wanted for being Active duty. I want to make the right choice. Both offer Intel. So either way works however maybe one branch in the long run is better. I want to know Everything!!! Thank you

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-To add, Air Force is cutting down. But from what I see they are cutting down positions that people typically go for. The positions available are overlooked so many times because I feel everyone wants to be the next "Top Gun" without really looking at what else is available. Just give me what you can. All info and opinions are acceptable


Also, when you vote, if you could please leave a reason for why you voted for that branch. Not just vote cause you think planes or tanks are cool thank you
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Old 10-11-2006, 08:56 PM   #2
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Chris needed to do some thread editing because I messed up with my poll, anyways heres what Sparky said previously haha
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As far as I can tell Intel is Intel, when you're at work. I'm not Intel, so I dunno for sure, I'm sure there are little differences, but once you get into the government you'll realize that the higher the security clearance, the better you're treated, for the most part. I chose the Air Force for a few reasons. First, like you said, MUCH better treatment. Second, the Air Force has more of a focus on individual responsibility, much like the real world. The Army is more of a group mentality, so everybody looks out for everybody else, but everybody also suffers for everybody else, and gets nagged all the time for somebody else's mistake. Actual pay in the Air Force is the same, it is true that you get promoted slower than in any other branch. But it seems that you have to slip up much worse to lose rank. With the exception of a couple career fields, the Air Force has much steadier, and shorter, deployment cycles, but I don't know how that applies to someone in Intel. Your recruiter will tell you, the "dream sheet" is called that for a reason. I was trying to go to Japan when I joined, but by the time I finished basic training, I would settle for anywhere except Idaho and Alaska. Guess where I am now? For my next assignment, I was trying to go to Florida or Vegas, but I got an assignment to redneck North Carolina. So don't join because there is a specific place you want to go. But now that I've gone to Alaska, I've enjoyed myself, and it's somewhere that I wouldn't have thought to visit otherwise. I've also travelled to S. Korea and Guam (and passed through Japan overnight a couple times), as well as Vegas and Canada. So even though I'm "stationed" here, I still get to travel around. Pretty sure that Intel doesn't travel too much either though... I'm sure the Army has it's perks, I just can't think of any. But you have to wonder if there's a reason they always give Airmen a hard time about being "spoiled" (I think it's called jealousy?). I know that the Army at Ft Rich does have a very nice post, but they don't get to see it very often.

So, there's your nearly-2 page report!

Anyways keep the views coming. Thanks for your imput Sparky.
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Old 10-11-2006, 09:02 PM   #3
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Brian,
I will share some details i have experienced. The Air Force is the best service to be in. Of course, with respect to the other branches, that statement is an opinion. In my eyes, we get better lodging on trips, we stay further from the battle field. I faught the war in iraq from 8 hrs away at a forward location. I Loaded bombs on planes from sunny beaches. And after work i sipped Mai Tai's on the beach. The air force has a system of promotion that is pretty fair. Now, like i said before, everything i am saying is based on my opinions and experiences (not to offend ArmySti). But the army seems to be gone all the time. The air force has regular deployments, but i havent left my home station in 3 years. If you would like to talk more about it, then we can meet up or PM me. the choice is yours. More army people die than air force people. That is a fact. And they get paid the same. Take it all for what it's worth.

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I don't want a battle on here either between the branches, however, it's all for our Country either way you look at it. But I want to make the right choice. I will jump on the Intel in order to take a stab at FBI or CIA someday. Either branch can help, but I want to be in good hands and enjoy life as well. I don't care what has to be said that may be offensive to one branch or another. It's a life commitment I'm trying to make. I am hoping to make a good one with everyones advice from experience. I remember even from Brandon, who's infantry for the Army. Said: "Whatever you do, don't join the Army or I'll kill you when I get back from Iraq"
However, I can always lean to one branch from another.
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Old 10-11-2006, 10:34 PM   #5
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if you are going into Intel, then AF is where it's at. This is coming from someone who did consider it at one point with an offer from the AF Academy specifically to go into Intel. My father was intel in the AF for 27 years and retired from that job. He is now an administrator for Providence Health Systems (relocated to their main corp office in Renton, WA) making a lot more money than when he got out, but still receiving his retirment. He received some of the best training in electronics and computers that is available, Uncle Sam paid for his college education and Masters Degree in Mathematics and Behavorial Management. Because of his job, we lived in many places, moved about every 3 yrs or so: Japan, England, Nebraska, Alaska, Colorado, Washington, Nebraska, California, etc.

I have several good friends that were also intel in the AF who did graduate from the Academy and others who did not. They all agree that if you are looking to go into an electronics or intel/computer field, AF is the best route to go.

because YOU are wanting to go into those fields, i would say AF is the best option for YOU. if you were looking to do more mechanical type work, then the army would be better for you. THERE is a distinct difference between the two branches. My brother wanted to do more "manly" and "rambo" type work, so he joined the Army. apparently, he thought jumping out of airplanes with guns was cool until he realized he would be the first to get shot at in war time situations.

Honestly, as much as I hate the NAVY (for personal reasons), they also offer a very good electronics and intel training. however, you have to like boats and be willing to be gone 6 months out of the year floating in the middle of who knows where in very very close quarters.

the military is a great career field, one you serve your 20 yrs and retire before 40 yrs old and can start a new one. It will give you great work ethics, training, etc if you choose the right field.
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^^ You were supposed to call me and look over these Intel sheets with me! lol
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Old 10-11-2006, 10:45 PM   #7
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sorry, got back about 20 mins ago. i'll call you in a sec!
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Old 10-11-2006, 11:14 PM   #8
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Brian,

Realize dude, that if you join the Army you WILL do a year tour overseas and it will be Iraq or Afghanistan.

With that said, I'm in the Air Guard and I've done two tours in Afghanistan and would trade that experience for anything.

Also, as you may or may not know I fly on HH60 Pavehawks. I've done a few Joint Operations with the Army, all of these were in A-stan. In my opinion, if you join the Army, go Special Ops. Regular Army folks get treated like POOP! SOF troops get treated more like Air Force personnel and are true professionals. That's not meant to take anything away from regular Army but more of a complement towards the folks I had the honor of working with overseas.

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Old 10-11-2006, 11:58 PM   #9
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I chose Chair Force. I am in the USAF and think "crossing into the green" is rather foolish at this point, given their deployment cycles and duration.

USAF has the best living conditions of any service and they treat you like adults after tech school. My brother was in the Marine Corps and he got treated like crap. He also went to Iraq three times.

Intel is an inside job, so you won't be working in the rain. Big benefit.
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:02 AM   #10
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need more choices, like foreign legion, circus or something...
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:31 AM   #11
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One thing that I've seen in my glorious year in the USAF, is that the Air Force displays more concern than any other branch that you further your education. This was a big selling point for me, as I considered the Army aswell. 100% tuition reimburstment on top of the MGIB, isn't something to turn your nose up at. I can do my 4 years, get my Bachelors, and get out if I so choose. Also the other reason already mentioned didn't hurt to sway my judgement to join the AF. Its true they are cutting alot of jobs, and restructuring but from what I've seen the ones that are getting cut, are the ones that have been in for 10+ or they are officers.
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:40 AM   #12
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:54 AM   #13
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neither... the air force is gettin retarded. they are getting ride of 20,000 people by the end of 07. plus they just took away one of the meals for dorm residents. we dont have money to buy cold wheather gear anymore and i could keep on going but im basically saying that its not getting any better latly only worse. but if i had to choose it would be AF only because im not up for bullets flying by my head. more power to all the army guys you guys are the heat.
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Old 10-12-2006, 01:30 AM   #14
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^^^good points, Usaf*STi. The Air Force is losing money because we don't have as deep a commitment to Iraq and Afghanistan. The AF also is upgrading to a lot of new aircraft (F-22's and C-17's at Elmendorf, just as an example), so money is getting tight for the troops. When I first got to Elmendorf, my unit went to Thailand for a month. Now we hardly ever travel anymore. But if you really want to travel, the Navy is seriously the way to go. That is my one disappointment with the AF, and if I had an easy opportunity to work on Navy fighters instead of AF fighters, I definately would.
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I've now served in the Army of 2 countries, (brit and now Aussie) and I grew up with dad on brit Airforce bases all over the world. My advice would be to think about what you want. Everything in Airforce is geared toward giving the pilots what they need to win in the air. With soldiering, every body, no matter what job they do, are a soldier first, and must be able to soldier.
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Old 10-12-2006, 03:22 AM   #16
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Thumbs up Air Force all the way...

I didn't read the other posts on purpose, so if I repeat what they said, it is genuine...

I joined the Air Force after 3.5 years of Electrical Engineering at UAF...got sick of everything...couldn't see the purpose of anything...a low time in my life. I quit college...my Dad suggested I join the military to apply what I learned in Theory...

He suggested to me PMEL in the Air Force (Precision Measurement Equipment Laboratory)...later changed to TMDE (Test Measurement and Diagnostic Equipment). In a nutshell, I went through over 12 months of training at Lowry AFB in Colorado...learning and applying what I learned at college. PMEL was a blast and very challenging...I calibrated and repaired to component level high tech, classified test equipment...it was awesome man...everything about my experience: Bootcamp, tech school, South Carolina (where I was stationed)...Desert Storm Training...it was all a blast...

For those that know...my AFSC was 324x0...worked in a comfortable lab that was like 73degrees 70% humidity...the temperature and humidity was all standardized...I worked in the k3/k4 areas (time and frequency domain equipment)...right out of the Air Force, I was hired making over $30/hr...while I finished college...

Now for the downside...as compared to all other branches, the Air Force is the slowest as far as moving up the ranks...in my career field, the avg E5 promotion took over 14years...can you believe that crap...this is the reason why I opted out after 4 years...too slow for me...I knew some guys in the army that were at E5 after 3 years...insane man.

If you want valuable job skills after your stint...go Air Force...Army, Marines...good to get your excess testosterone out of your system...good reason to go and kick some butt...Navy and Coast Guard...no thanks...I would hate to be a sitting duck...and end up on the bottom of the food chain in the middle of the ocean...

You know...they say that enlisted Air Force members are the smartest bunch of all...know why? It's the only branch in the military where the enlisted stay hundreds of miles away from the battle front and send the officers out to do the work in their bombers and fighters...heh heh...all other branches send their enlisted out...

I liken the military to any martial art...there is no such thing as which one is better...you make the best of whatever branch you choose...

Whatever you choose man, you'll be proud to say that you have served your country...and nobody can ever tell you that you are unpatriotic or not a citizen...

Good choice and good luck!
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I joined the Air Force after 3.5 years of Electrical Engineering at UAF...got sick of everything...couldn't see the purpose of anything...a low time in my life. I quit college...
Thanks for your imput, especially on that. You see I am going to college now, however, I just don't see a purpose yet if that makes sense. I feel I want to jump into my job and field and start working. Than take school through the Air Force College they have to expand my knowledge and increase in Rank. Just now after 13 years, I feel exhausted from History and English without really having a specialization yet. I feel that the military will jump me in right away and be able to start me off in something and help me prepare to continue on. I don't know if what I tried saying makes much sense, but maybe someone understands.
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Don't worry about the rank though. It all varies in the time and effort you put into it. My friend just made E5 and he's only been in 5 years, and he really didn't try, although he's a non-er (nickname for office people) like me.
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Dude if you want a family and some of the best living conditions join the AF.. I have been in for 4 years although i didnt make BTZ (below the zone(its for E4)) i still made E5 on the first try and put it on around my 4 year and a month mark.. The rank issue, just study before you test.. BUT as i look back at my career i still think i should have join the Army for what i want to do.. I am securty forces and have been to Iraq, but now i am stuck in a field for 5 days waisting my time.. Its up to you.. good luck
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I have 2 words for you...US MC...
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The Army has many jobs to deal with intel, being a Scout I work with a lot of different guys in the spook industry mostly counter intel. The CI guys love there jobs, there are 2 sides to them which is tactical and strategical. Tactical which is being over here working targets and stuff like that, and strategical which are those suit and tie guys trying to look undercover like in the movies. Quality of life varies on where you are stationed while in the military, always hear AF has better QOL. We do longer deployments and get paid the same. I'm a scout and get treated like dirt, work long crappy hours, always getting the shaft, hate guys who don't leave the wire and bitch about the chow hall not having hamburger buns, when I'm lucky to make it to the chow hall once a day because I outside the wire doing the job that they are scared to do. The job you decide to go with should fit your personality, if you like playing clue, play dungeons and dragons or watch alot of FBI type movies/shows, military intelligence is probly the MOS you want. In the Army, CI is known as a 97B.

BTW the CI guys I work with were all Staff Sergeants(E-6) within 6 years of being in. Myself made SSG in a little over 5, I now have about 8 years in.
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AF= More civilian type of life. More comfort. Good choice for further education.

Army= More Disciplined...sometimes. Lots of money to waste. More job options in the military. Also good for education.

Are you certain that you want to become enlisted, or officer? I have three brothers. Two are/were in the AF, myself and my brother are in the Army. I have nothing against any branch. We just do different jobs.

Something I have learned about the military is to take what others say with a grain of salt. Im sure you already know what you want to do. Just be sure its your decision.
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Go airforce.. Or maybe look at Navy.

I wrote a couple paragraphs twice but they still no show. WT F over??
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I've worked on bases in Texas, Japan, Korea, Okinawa, Guam, Germany and Hawaii and can tell you that over all facilities wise the Air Force has it best.

With that said, my friends in all the different branches (Navy, Army, Marine Corp and Air Force) can tell you plusses and minuses of thier branch and why they think thier branch is the best.

Look at your long term goals...

1. Retire from the military at 37 with benefits that NO ONE in the private sector offers (I work with companies and benefits) and experience and technical skills that will land you a good job when you get out.

2. Serve your 1 tour, get a skill, pay for school and other vet benefits and get on with your life.

Good luck man... 17 is a great place to be at in life.
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