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Old 11-07-2001, 03:07 PM   #1
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Question Help me! Is this normal? Trans and engine issues.

I was just wondering if these things are normal on the RS's. I'm taking my car in on Friday for the following:

Clutch chatter when cold

After moderate to hard driving, the clutch gets extremely light. Pushes to the floor easily and feels "springy."

Clutch creaks when you push it to the floor almost every time.

Car seems to tick or tap loudly until it gets to normal operating temp. Then it's still a bit loud but not as bad.

Anyone have any feedback? Have you taken your car to the shop for these? What happened? How'd they handle it?

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Old 11-07-2001, 03:22 PM   #2
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Mine has a hollow metallic tick or tap around two minutes after start up and after I put it in gear. It doesn't do it right after start up, and the tapping doesn't come on until I put the car in gear and start driving. The tapping completely disappears after the car reaches operating temp. The shop replaced the timing belt tensioner, but I still get the tapping.

I don't have a manual trans, so I can't comment on your clutch issue.

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Old 11-07-2001, 04:42 PM   #3
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Clutch chatter when cold
Absolutely. It is an extremely common problem.
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Old 11-07-2001, 04:54 PM   #4
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Clutch creaks when you push it to the floor almost every time.
I had this problem, and my dealer slapped some grease... somewhere. My friend had this problem too, and he got a big chunk of his transmission replaced (clutch, gearbox, ...).

Hmm....
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Old 11-07-2001, 04:57 PM   #5
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You need to do a search for the "tick or tap". If I remember correctly, it's normal during warm up, but not after. Some people who have had this sound continue after warm up have had new engines installed. Seriously, do a search.

Clutch chatter is all over the place as well. I think some dealers will take care of it, and some will blame it on you. I'm sure a search will turn up a million posts on that.
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Old 11-07-2001, 07:30 PM   #6
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Bump................Anyone else? Oh yeah, and I was mainly concerned with how the dealership is handling each problem. Is there TSB on any of these items? With the ticking, it is the loudest upon startup, but I can still hear it after the car warms up. I put synthetic in it as well.
Another thing I am greatly concerned about is the light clutch pedal feel that I get when I drive the car even the slightest bit hard. It feels like the clutch will push to the floor with almost no effort. My best description would be "springy"
About searching, I find that it is tedious (no i'm not lazy) and often times I have new questions, like how does your dealership handle the problem, that aren't answered by the other posts. If we searched to answer ever problem, what kind of a board would this be. I appreciate all those who provide input. Thank you very much.

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Old 11-08-2001, 02:14 AM   #7
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Clutch Chatter is normal

The Creak is the from the point where the clutch slave cylinder meets the Clutch Fork...they will grease it and it will go away.

Clutch Pedal-Very normal, try bleeding it with a nice DOT 4 fluid...i am going to try this but i have a feeling it's just the weakness in the pressure plate and once you heat it up you are causing the clutch springs to heat soak and lose their "rate"

Ticking- This is your valve clearance. It's normal noise. I personally will be adjusting mine soon, subaru doesn't need them supposedly till 60k so you will prolly have to pay for this. They won't do anything about it unless it is causing the ECU to illuminate the MIL(CE Light)

Any other questions PM me.

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Old 11-08-2001, 09:18 AM   #8
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Old 11-08-2001, 02:14 PM   #9
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I had noticed this when I had my stock clutch happened when it was cold, but after the warm up about 1 min later it was fine. But now that I have an upgraded ACT clutch it never happens.... and it's been pretty dang cold out the last few mornings.
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Old 11-11-2001, 06:43 PM   #10
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the tick/tap may be valves that need adjustment, you didn't say how many miles are on your car.
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Old 11-11-2001, 07:00 PM   #11
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The weird thing about my ticking/tapping is that the sound doesn't come on while the car is idling in "Park" after start up (I have an auto tranny). During the first couple of minutes after start up, the car is pretty quiet. If I put the car in gear and slowly drive off, the ticking/tapping sound will then appear. If I put the car back to "P" and let it idle, the sound will still be present. The sound doesn't go away until after five miles of driving. The dealer doesn't know what it is, and it's beginning to drive me nuts. It's not the injector ticking noise or the metal expanding noise as metal heats up. My car has 29K miles on it.

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Old 11-11-2001, 11:38 PM   #12
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Richard L i noticed the same thing with my car today. i have a MY00 4EAT too. i have no idea what that sound is. i only noticed it when cold starting.
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Old 11-11-2001, 11:57 PM   #13
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Hmm, very interesting. Could it be 4EAT related? My noise always appears after the car has been sitting for at least three hours. Again, the engine is quiet as a mouse while the car is warming up in "park". Could it be the flywheel or the torque converter hitting/rubbing against something when I put the car in gear?

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Old 11-12-2001, 12:11 AM   #14
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I seem to remember seeing a thread a while back that was about a bad ticking or nocking on some 2000 RS's that (IIRC) was due to Subaru building some of the early phase II engines with leftover phase I internals, and it came back to bite them in the arse later when many started getting this noise, and had there eng. replaced under warr. !!!! (free eng.s are good!!).

But I could be misstaked.

I know doing searches is a pain, but I think the post I saw might help you further. Maybe what I said will help you narrow your search a little.

Good Luck!!!!

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Old 11-12-2001, 12:17 AM   #15
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Car seems to tick or tap loudly until it gets to normal operating temp. Then it's still a bit loud but not as bad.
Garret
My Outback Sport has done this for years, ever since I've owned the car. The colder the weather gets, the worse it gets. I haven't had a problem with the engine at all. Far as I know, it's typical of Subarus. Every car is different though.
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Old 11-12-2001, 10:03 AM   #16
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my RS be looking at the last 4 digits of the vin i can tell its no where near first production cars in 2000. its number 2379. also i live in canada so i have the crappy 98RS us spec bumper. i think this problem might be related to the auto tranny and cold weather.
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Old 11-12-2001, 11:44 AM   #17
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hmm i've got that same ticking, i assume it's valve clearance after reading this thread. How do i adjust that? Or how much does it cost to have it adjusted. I don't know anything about this, please explain my car has about 66,000 miles on it.
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Old 11-12-2001, 01:59 PM   #18
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i really don't think its the valve clearance on my car. i have only 15 000km's so that would equal around 9000 miles. i find that it only happens with the tranny in gear. like kevin thomas siad. i don't think its that big of a deal.
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Old 11-12-2001, 09:01 PM   #19
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I have the exact ticking sound on my car. Car is quiet until I put it in drive and take off. The sound gets quieter as the car warms up but never goes away.

The funny thing is, I can really only hear it when I'm in the car. If I stick my head under the hood, I can hear the valves ticking, but that's a different sound. It almost sounds like it is coming from right below or inside the firewall.

I also have the 4eat.

So, Maybe it's one of the intake shafts on the transmission (what is a Propeller shaft anyway?). Maybe an oil pump in there making noise? Noisy bearing? Loose flywheel? (I had an S-10 that broke a flywheel, sounded much much worse, but similar). I was also thinking about the starter, if the throw-out gear isn't fully disengaging, that could make a similar noise.

Has anyone done a complete flush on their tranny and noticed a change in this noise?

I really dread paying for a 60k checkup, but I may just have to do it to get this figured out. I have 50k miles BTW.

So,
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Old 11-12-2001, 09:22 PM   #20
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Joelk, that's exactly what I'm hearing. I even engaged my parking brake with the car still in gear so I can come out and listen to the sound with a stethoscope. Everytime I did this, I didn't pick up any unusual ticking sound from the engine compartment. I poked the headers, injectors, valve covers, and timing belt cover with my stethoscope, and no loud ticking sound. However, when I got back inside the car, then I can hear the ticking sound coming from behind the firewall.

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Old 11-12-2001, 10:22 PM   #21
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I haven't used the stethoscope on mine yet. Next week when I'm at my parent's I'll try that.

Try listening to the starter, on the driver's side on top of the tranny, just below the master cylinder. And maybe on the tranny housing as far back as you can reach.

Also, maybe you can take the cover off of your floor shifter and get at the top of the tranny through there and listen.

I was even thinking it might be some kind of rattling noise in the tachometer,

Let me know what you find.
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