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Old 10-23-2006, 02:18 PM   #1
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With November elections just around the corner and I know how you all love political discussions, I was wondering what the suby crowd felt about Ballot Measure #2.

its basically a measure that will tax the oil companies that own the leases on the gas reserves approx 1 billions dollars a year untill the pipeline is built. The money collected from the tax will go into escrow.

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Old 10-23-2006, 02:57 PM   #2
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yes on #2! i want a bigger pfd check!
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Old 10-23-2006, 03:12 PM   #3
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I think its a good idea. I can hear the nay sayers in regards to it will force the oil companies out of alaska or higher gas prices. Yet I call that scare tactics. the oil companies know they are gettign sweet heart deals on their land leases for the oil fields. Not to mention one of the major players had seriously neglected maintenance on a section of pipe. (and used a scapegoat). The oil companies are gettign away with murder and we keep giving them "incentives". I think they need to pay a tax as well as mandatorily provide 94 oct here.

Then again, with the measure out in the valley regarding race tracks and the new "safety zone" in willow, Alaska is going a$$ backwards in devolpment and growth. And yes, I vote, and yes I'll "get the F out" as so many die hard alaskans will say if I wind up realyl disliking it.
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Old 10-23-2006, 03:26 PM   #4
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Old 10-23-2006, 03:43 PM   #5
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I will vote no on #2. I work on the slope occasionally, and over the years I have seen it go through cycles of slowness then much more activity.

A tax like this could discourage new exploration and improvements in existing fields, since these can't be done without increasing gas reserves. Instead, energy companies may bide their time, trying to minimize their "producible gas reserves", until they know they have a pipeline to ship through.

The slope is a very expensive place to explore for and produce oil and gas. The companies will spend their exploration and field improvement budgets wherever in the world it will make them the most money. This law, if passed, will make Alaska less attractive as a place to spend those budgets.
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Old 10-23-2006, 04:13 PM   #6
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Yeah, I think the oil companies deserve a break. We've been hard on them lately.
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Old 10-23-2006, 04:45 PM   #7
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Old 10-23-2006, 05:06 PM   #8
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Yeah, I think the oil companies deserve a break. We've been hard on them lately.

Yeah, BP makes much more profit in a quarter than the annual AK state budget. Somewhere north of 30 billion per year...

I don't care about making things easier for the oil companies. I do want to promote responsible investment in Alaska energy industries, as opposed to investments in Russia, Indonesia, or Louisiana(where they just found a new, deep, offshore, oil resevoir which is estimated at 60% of Prudhoe Bay).. When we built the pipeline, it was projected to be shutting down about now, based on oil recovery technology as we knew it in the 70's. But it is still running at 80% capacity, due to better oil recovery methods and continuing investment by energy companies.

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Old 10-23-2006, 06:01 PM   #9
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How much did ExxonMobil make last year? Was it 35 billion in profit? Keep in mind profit, meaning after expenses... At that rate, what is 1 or 2 billion a year to keep that precious land alive. I think they would wake up and get something on the drawing board real quick......
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:03 AM   #10
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yeah and correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't exxon still owe the people of this state 5 billion in damages from that little oil spill they had with a drunk captain, we shouldn't even be doing business with them til they pay up, as for bp that was a big freaking mess of mismanagement. as for the prop 2 thing the money they get taxed each year goes in to a escrow acct til they get the gas to market and then once that happens they get it back, the state can't spend it
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:36 AM   #11
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If the tax is only one billion per year, I will probably vote for it. The thing to remember is to read the entire proposition. lobbyists like to get the creators to slip extra items into them that have little to do with the main issue.
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Old 10-25-2006, 11:13 AM   #12
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Yes on #2!!!

We need to light a fire under the oil companies ass to get this pipeline built.

It either needs to be 100% alaskan built or none at all...this **** needs to get completed...

All the gas is used for now if for oil-recovery and burn off...lets clean this gas up and get it to market...and lets not spend 20 years doing it...their 1 billion a year will be made back so fast...with profits in the 100 bil range...who cares if they get taxed 1% of their yearly profits...it will only get built faster as they sit there and loose money. HAHA
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So far seems most feel we should tax the companies... With that being said one of the reasons the oil companies say the tax is bad, is that it will cause them to take the ballot measure to court. The last time a similar bill has gone to court, it took 17 years to be cleared, if you add that on to the time of actual building the pipe, it will take 20+ years.

I am speaking in generalities of course. With the tax money being put in an escrow account as well, how would that benefit the State of Alaska, which at last accounting every dollar it spends, 90 cents of it comes from the oil companies.

Enjoy hearing the pro's and con's from you folks.

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Old 10-25-2006, 12:50 PM   #14
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Yes on #2!!!

We need to light a fire under the oil companies ass to get this pipeline built.

It either needs to be 100% alaskan built or none at all...this **** needs to get completed...

All the gas is used for now if for oil-recovery and burn off...lets clean this gas up and get it to market...and lets not spend 20 years doing it...their 1 billion a year will be made back so fast...with profits in the 100 bil range...who cares if they get taxed 1% of their yearly profits...it will only get built faster as they sit there and loose money. HAHA

Jordy,

Just a question how long do you think it will take the pipeline to be built, not figuring in who is building it and if the Oil Companies do not build it, who is going to foot the bill?

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Old 10-25-2006, 01:18 PM   #15
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So far seems most feel we should tax the companies... With that being said one of the reasons the oil companies say the tax is bad, is that it will cause them to take the ballot measure to court. The last time a similar bill has gone to court, it took 17 years to be cleared, if you add that on to the time of actual building the pipe, it will take 20+ years.

I am speaking in generalities of course. With the tax money being put in an escrow account as well, how would that benefit the State of Alaska, which at last accounting every dollar it spends, 90 cents of it comes from the oil companies.

Enjoy hearing the pro's and con's from you folks.

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You do have a point. I was told that if it does pass the oil companies will sue the State of Alaska.

The gas pipeline would take at least 5 years plus. The Alyeska pipeline took 6 years for the pre construction effort and it took 3 years and 2 months to actually build it (Pretty impressive if you ask me considering that was back in 1974). The alyeska pipeline is 800 miles long, I think the natural gas pipeline would be 1500 miles plus? I think that's if we connected with other lines down in Canada.

BTW, the alyeska pipeline cost 8 billion for just 800 miles. Figure in twice that and the cost of materials these days, it's going to be one big undertaking and it will cost quite a bit of money.

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You do have a point. I was told that if it does pass the oil companies will sue the State of Alaska.

The gas pipeline would take at least 5 years plus. The Alyeska pipeline took 6 years for the pre construction effort and it took 3 years and 2 months to actually build it (Pretty impressive if you ask me considering that was back in 1974). The alyeska pipeline is 800 miles long, I think the natural gas pipeline would be 1500 miles plus? I think that's if we connected with other lines down in Canada.

BTW, the alyeska pipeline cost 8 billion for just 800 miles. Figure in twice that and the cost of materials these days, it's going to be one big undertaking and it will cost quite a bit of money.

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Well to me that raises some red flags regarding the oil companies. They are blatantly stating "we rule the oil feilds, give us what we want or be sorry" and as a citizen I dont think a state should be bullied into decisions. Much like the Murki campaign trying to shove the oil deal down our throats before the new governor takes office. Lets face it, oils intersts are not with the citizens of this state.
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Old 10-25-2006, 06:10 PM   #17
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Thats really funny
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Old 10-25-2006, 06:40 PM   #18
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Well to me that raises some red flags regarding the oil companies. They are blatantly stating "we rule the oil feilds, give us what we want or be sorry" and as a citizen I dont think a state should be bullied into decisions. Much like the Murki campaign trying to shove the oil deal down our throats before the new governor takes office. Lets face it, oils intersts are not with the citizens of this state.
We'll your opinion is your own and I won't discount that but I think saying that the Oil Companies have no vested intrests in the citizens of the state is a bit short-sighted. Oil Companies are not privately held, they are public corporations with shareholders, some of those shareholders could be you, me, squad 907, etc... in fact on of the larger funds that the PFD uses is comprised of Oil Companies, its pretty much as that crazy Disney monkey has said "part of the circle of life."

I think with such an important vote coming up, we all as Alaska citizens should make the best educated choice we can, if its yes or no on Ballot measure 2. Tonight at the Loussac Library, starting at 730pm both opponents and backers of Ballot 2 will be speaking in an open fourm, I think it would be a great place to start and perhaps have your questions answered, hope to see some of you there.

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Old 10-25-2006, 07:23 PM   #19
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We'll your opinion is your own and I won't discount that but I think saying that the Oil Companies have no vested intrests in the citizens of the state is a bit short-sighted. Oil Companies are not privately held, they are public corporations with shareholders, some of those shareholders could be you, me, squad 907, etc... in fact on of the larger funds that the PFD uses is comprised of Oil Companies, its pretty much as that crazy Disney monkey has said "part of the circle of life."

I think with such an important vote coming up, we all as Alaska citizens should make the best educated choice we can, if its yes or no on Ballot measure 2. Tonight at the Loussac Library, starting at 730pm both opponents and backers of Ballot 2 will be speaking in an open fourm, I think it would be a great place to start and perhaps have your questions answered, hope to see some of you there.

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Wait 7.30 tonite? Hey I'll go, someone want to meet up with me? I'll feel lonely if I go by myself.
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Old 10-25-2006, 07:54 PM   #20
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Can we all meet up some where? I wouldn't mind going, maybe bring the girlfriend along. I find the subject pretty interesting to be honest with you. Maybe meet up a designated area at the Library?

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Well the parking lot is pretty big. If we just showed up around late 6pm, we could all meet each other in the lot and get good seating as well.
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Old 10-25-2006, 08:12 PM   #22
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Hrmm, we can meet at BN cafe if that works about 7pm? I'll be wearing a grey columbia jacket with an "I voted" sticker and prolly have my suby WRC cap on sucking down some coffee.

My cell is 351-0848.

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I'd come, but I'm 150 miles away, and I get off work @5:30pm. Post up a summary...
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Well the girlfriend thinks I'm retarded for going and she rather go watch lost. So I guess I'm not going.

Yes, Please post up a summary

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Hrmm, we can meet at BN cafe if that works about 7pm? I'll be wearing a grey columbia jacket with an "I voted" sticker and prolly have my suby WRC cap on sucking down some coffee.

My cell is 351-0848.

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The cafe inside the libarary right? K i'll see you there at 7pm than Evan.
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