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Old 10-24-2006, 02:16 PM   #1
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Default My friend just got owned by an ebay scammer... but the police :huh:

Cops show up at her house this morning saying they have a warrant for her arrest. She is clueless as to what it could be over. They give her the full law and order treatment. "we'll tell you at the station" type stuff. Process her (prints, mug shots, etc). Place her in interrogation. Start rattling off what they know about her; car's registered to her, cars registered to her boyfriend, jobs, family etc etc. At this point she is pretty intimidated because a) she doesn't what the hell she did b) they are making her feel like its a murder investigation with the hardball they are playing.

they finally tell her what it's about; "Do you have an ebay account?"

she sold something on ebay for $36.00. The buyer refused insurance. Friend mails the item. Person claims to never have received the package. SO SHE CALLS THE COPS.

Friend faces charges, is given the option of paying $36 to the ebayer and having them dropped. she is still on the line for ~100 in court charges.

BTW, my friend is a poor single mom (min wage type waitress) and I believe her that she sent the package (has been doing ebay successfully for a long time).

When Internet owning goes wrong...

I'm encouraging her to find the receipts from shipping (3 months ago now), but she just wants to pay the person off.

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Old 10-24-2006, 02:18 PM   #2
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Hell, nobody likes to get screwed over...but all that over $36.00....meh!
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:18 PM   #3
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Something doesn't add up. No way the cops are giving her that kind of treatment over $36. They'd tell the individual to file a small claims court case.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:18 PM   #4
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Wow, I wish it were that easy to nail the real scammers.

BTW, isn't it illegal to place someone under arrest without telling them why?
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:19 PM   #5
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I thought so....
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:21 PM   #6
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and i thought the police didnt care about amounts under several hundred. what town does she live in? And, if she has a tracking number for the package, everything will be solved.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:21 PM   #7
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Something doesn't add up. No way the cops are giving her that kind of treatment over $36. They'd tell the individual to file a small claims court case.
That too.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:21 PM   #8
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i thought the police won't even pay attention if the scam is less than 500 dollars or so. are you just bored and messing with us?
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:23 PM   #9
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Something doesn't add up. No way the cops are giving her that kind of treatment over $36. They'd tell the individual to file a small claims court case.
Agreed. Unless these are the most CORRUPT cops in town, I don't believe it for a second. They must inform her of her charges. She can demand to see a warrant for her arrest.

+1 to also filing in small claims court. The police have MUCH better things to do than go after ebay'ers who might not send their items.

Plus, when she is being interrogated, she has the right to a lawyer, even if it's appointed by the court. She is lawfully required to have a lawyer present unless she understands and refuses a lawyer. The police need to inform her of this right, otherwise they face an entire case going to the trashcan.

I don't believe any of it. Something doesn't add up.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:24 PM   #10
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You haven't been listening to the news recently, have you?
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:24 PM   #11
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Yeah, this is pure BS. My friend got his identity stolen and lost thousands. The cops told him that there was a 6 month waiting list before they even get to his case.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:25 PM   #12
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Something doesn't add up. No way the cops are giving her that kind of treatment over $36. They'd tell the individual to file a small claims court case.
She lives way out in the boonies (wentzille for those in MO). The cops have nothing to do, a big budget, and redneck vigilante style sticks up their ass.

the person screwing her over is from mass. iirc.

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Old 10-24-2006, 02:25 PM   #13
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But its true, there is no way the popo's would have delt with something like this. Also isn't paypal involved in this? something smells fishy!
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:25 PM   #14
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I would send that effer a nice big box of dog crap.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:26 PM   #15
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Given their tactics, she should contact a lawyer and see if the cops did anything lawsuit worthy.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:26 PM   #16
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Tracking numbers are your friends.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:27 PM   #17
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Scammer needs a visit from NESIC.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:28 PM   #18
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Odd story, seems like buyer would have at least contacted the seller once...

Insurance is for the seller, not the buyer. The seller agreed to deliver a $36 item, if it doesn't arrive the seller is on the hook, not the buyer.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:29 PM   #19
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Well, it'd be extremely difficult to put a lawsuit on the cops, as they are usually not liable as they're employee's of the state. If police procedure was indeed broken, your case could be dropped (as well as charges), but it'd be hard to seek restitution. Unless your civil liberties were really harmed, don't expect to see much money come out of a lawsuit.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:29 PM   #20
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Not messing with you.

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Agreed. Unless these are the most CORRUPT cops in town, I don't believe it for a second. They must inform her of her charges. She can demand to see a warrant for her arrest.

+1 to also filing in small claims court. The police have MUCH better things to do than go after ebay'ers who might not send their items.

Plus, when she is being interrogated, she has the right to a lawyer, even if it's appointed by the court. She is lawfully required to have a lawyer present unless she understands and refuses a lawyer. The police need to inform her of this right, otherwise they face an entire case going to the trashcan.

I don't believe any of it. Something doesn't add up.
Yes, you have a right to a lawyer. Yes these cops are "bending" the hell out of the rules.

It's very common to make you wait hours upon hours (in a cell) for a free lawyer. my guess is that this is what she was avoiding.

small town cops FTL

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Old 10-24-2006, 02:34 PM   #21
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BTW, isn't it illegal to place someone under arrest without telling them why?
Yeah, I mean maybe not ALL the details, but don't they at least say "You're under arrest for XYZ..." (Just like on TV, right??? I'm seriously asking if they do, the lol is due to my complete lack of knowledge in this area.


You'd think the cops could go write a traffic ticket for somethign instead of wasting their time with something so small... I mean even in po-dunk no where the traffic tickets have to be at least $50 per, so that'd more $$$ right there (and the town/city/county gets none of this $ anyway except for the court fees which have to cover those costs, a traffic ticket is much more proffitable for the police)



Suck for her.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:35 PM   #22
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total bs on this one.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:35 PM   #23
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I know they are.... but i'm not the one that messed up. now I'm sure she knows better too.

I just thought you guys might like to hear about the opposite of some of our success stories.

like I said, small town cops... nothing better to do, over budgeted, notorious for not following protocol.

and she was in communication with the other ebayer. they had basically reached the stalemate of "i sent it and you refused insurance" vs. "gimme my money". supposing she didn't get the package, that sucks for both parties.

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Old 10-24-2006, 02:38 PM   #24
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Insurance is for the seller, not the buyer. The seller agreed to deliver a $36 item, if it doesn't arrive the seller is on the hook, not the buyer.

Yep, apparently the ebay seller didn't grasp that concept ...
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what method of payment was used?
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