Borg Warner S256 and S362 Turbos

AXA · 10-26-2006, 12:50 AM

I currently have a stock mount GT30R kit with a .63 in my 2.0L Subaru WRX 02, But I will be puting in a S2 2.5L crawford shortblock soon with STI Type C heads .. I am looking for more power that the GT30R can produce with the same spool characteristic as the GT30R turbo on my new 2.5L S2 block....
I was looking to get a GT35R .82 in till I came across a post in Supraforums about Borg Warner turbos and became really intrested in the Schwitzer/Borg Warner S362 turbocharger, with its Extended Tip Technology.

This turbo has the 62mm inducer which is rated at 65 lbs/min, this turbo is designed to work efficiently between 500-650whp. with better spool than the GT35R turbo....

José Savinon

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RP31 · 10-26-2006, 01:37 AM

Any links to more information?

AXA · 10-26-2006, 02:35 AM

http://www.bullseyepower.com/index.php
Bullseye Power web page info
"Bullseye Power is proud to announce our further association with BorgWarner, having become a national performance distributor for BorgWarner and AirWerks turbochargers"

AXA · 10-26-2006, 02:39 AM

I am leinnig towars the S258 more and more .....

dvang · 10-26-2006, 02:58 AM

this part is a bit interesting too, for the bolt on guys tho

http://www.bullseyepower.com/wrx_turbos.php

v rod · 10-26-2006, 03:01 AM

these turbos look real tempting!

my friend will be trying out two s200's on his nsx. can't wait for his results!

v rod · 10-26-2006, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dvang

this part is a bit interesting too, for the bolt on guys tho

http://www.bullseyepower.com/wrx_turbos.php

does anyone have results with the 50 trim yet?

pux888 · 10-26-2006, 07:48 AM

Im sure its output would be very similar to a green.

davidm_sh · 10-26-2006, 11:59 AM

Just an FYI folks-

TEC - www.turboengineering.com

http://www.turboengineering.com/cust...ies/ht300.html

Has been dealing with Borg-Warner/Schwitzer for the past 3 years or since I have know him. I know a couple of people who have the HT series turbos on their STi blocks up here at high altitude and they perform VERY well. They are right there with the GT35R series turbos but are better IMHO given their wider efficiency islands and higher PRs. From my recollection they usually edge out the GT35R setups up here on pump gas.

I know one person up here with a street trim STi running I believe a HT200 @ 20-22psi (spring pressure with EWG setup) broke into the high 11s on pump gas up here at 5800ft asl!! The person isn't even that big of a drag racer either!! Xephyr runs one of these turbos as well. Super Rupair sells them still I believe and Harvey (the tuner) there could give more details on the power they make in his experience. I am only going off of second hand information on the power they have made from what he was told me.

If I were to go rotated mount this is the turbo series I would go with from what I have seen.

AXA · 10-26-2006, 12:11 PM

Errol from TPS ( autorize dealer for BW turbos):"The S256 will tear that gt35r up. Out spool and out flow".....
Woa.. I think I found my new turbo...

TurboDXsti · 11-04-2006, 10:25 AM

Yea I've been contemplating this turbo for a few months now , glad to find this post , BTW does anyone know if the turbo can be used with the Perrin rotated mount piping kit ?

InfamousDX · 11-04-2006, 11:45 AM

Well some of the Subaru guys need to get these so we can get some results!

AXA · 11-04-2006, 11:53 AM

According to TPS is a perfect fit ,when you order this turbo with the correct exhaust housing for your application.. In my case I will have to order the t3 five bolt exhaust housing .... BW recommended a .55 AR exhaust housing with the S256 do to the long manifold runner we have in our cars and the cold temperature of the exhaust gasses in our cars..

My compressor cover in my GT30R is 7.1/4 inches and the S256 is 7.1/2 inches ..... Not much off a difference between the two...
I will provably will order my turbo in a few weeks , I am giving time to see how the stainless steel hold up compare to cast Iron in the exhaust housing.... I

Jose Savinon

AXA · 11-04-2006, 11:58 AM

Take a look ....
http://www.bullseyepower.com/s200_acura.php

Is not a Subaru but great numbers with the new S200 extended tip turbo ....
Remeber this is a 1.8 car .....

TurboDXsti · 11-04-2006, 11:58 AM

so as long as I get the S256/ S258 in a t3 trim with 4 bolt exhaust housing , it should bolt up to the perrin piping kit ( uppipe & down pipe) ?

modaddict · 11-04-2006, 01:33 PM

didn't clark chime in, in the other thread?

i too, would like to see how these perform on more suby's

solarin006 · 11-04-2006, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboDXsti

so as long as I get the S256/ S258 in a t3 trim with 4 bolt exhaust housing , it should bolt up to the perrin piping kit ( uppipe & down pipe) ?

Is the borg warner a 3" 4 bolt? Perrin uses a 2.5" 4 bolt on their DP.

IPT · 11-08-2006, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solarin006

Is the borg warner a 3" 4 bolt? Perrin uses a 2.5" 4 bolt on their DP.

It is the 2.5" bolt pattern. Just like Perrin uses.

AXA · 11-29-2006, 11:06 AM

New test on the BW turbo.....
Check this out...
S200 Vs GT30R turbo .... HP, Boost and Torque....
http://www.bullseyepower.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=87

Data like this is making me a believer.......

Jose

SloRice · 11-29-2006, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AXA

According to TPS is a perfect fit ,when you order this turbo with the correct exhaust housing for your application.. In my case I will have to order the t3 five bolt exhaust housing .... BW recommended a .55 AR exhaust housing with the S256 do to the long manifold runner we have in our cars and the cold temperature of the exhaust gasses in our cars..

My compressor cover in my GT30R is 7.1/4 inches and the S256 is 7.1/2 inches ..... Not much off a difference between the two...
I will provably will order my turbo in a few weeks , I am giving time to see how the stainless steel hold up compare to cast Iron in the exhaust housing.... I

Jose Savinon

So the S200 is basically like a GT30R?? If so, the .63ar on the GT30R is to small and causes to much back pressure. So why would going with an even smaller ar on the S200 work??

SloRice · 11-29-2006, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AXA

New test on the BW turbo.....
Check this out...
S200 Vs GT30R turbo .... HP, Boost and Torque....
http://www.bullseyepower.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=87

Data like this is making me a believer.......

Jose

totally useless info. The S200 makes 10-15whp more than the GT30R at 1psi more boost.

AZScoobie · 11-29-2006, 12:00 PM

I agree Tim. I see no advantage over the 30R.

Clark

AXA · 11-29-2006, 12:09 PM

I better not get into this .................

SloRice · 11-29-2006, 01:14 PM

I'm not knocking on you or trying to create a pissing match. I'm just looking at the data provided in the multiple links in this thread and I'm not seeing an advantage. The only difference I saw was the S200 came up to 21psi 300RPM prior to the GT30R.

But! If you know how Mustang Dyno's and Suby's get along (like I do), you'll know that they probably used dyno roll speed to get an RPM pickup, which makes comparisons based on RPM almost impossible unless you know the exact roll RPM to vehicle RPM calibration # and use it for both runs, which most tuners don't.

TurboDXsti · 11-29-2006, 01:47 PM

guess i know what i'm getting for christmas now

10-26-2006, 12:50 AM	#1
AXA Scooby Newbie Member#: 35566 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Dominican Republic Vehicle: 2002 STI WRX GT30R WRC Blue	Borg Warner S256 and S362 Turbos I currently have a stock mount GT30R kit with a .63 in my 2.0L Subaru WRX 02, But I will be puting in a S2 2.5L crawford shortblock soon with STI Type C heads .. I am looking for more power that the GT30R can produce with the same spool characteristic as the GT30R turbo on my new 2.5L S2 block.... I was looking to get a GT35R .82 in till I came across a post in Supraforums about Borg Warner turbos and became really intrested in the Schwitzer/Borg Warner S362 turbocharger, with its Extended Tip Technology. This turbo has the 62mm inducer which is rated at 65 lbs/min, this turbo is designed to work efficiently between 500-650whp. with better spool than the GT35R turbo.... José Savinon * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

11-04-2006, 11:53 AM	#13
AXA Scooby Newbie Member#: 35566 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Dominican Republic Vehicle: 2002 STI WRX GT30R WRC Blue	S200 Turbo According to TPS is a perfect fit ,when you order this turbo with the correct exhaust housing for your application.. In my case I will have to order the t3 five bolt exhaust housing .... BW recommended a .55 AR exhaust housing with the S256 do to the long manifold runner we have in our cars and the cold temperature of the exhaust gasses in our cars.. My compressor cover in my GT30R is 7.1/4 inches and the S256 is 7.1/2 inches ..... Not much off a difference between the two... I will provably will order my turbo in a few weeks , I am giving time to see how the stainless steel hold up compare to cast Iron in the exhaust housing.... I Jose Savinon

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pux888 Scooby Specialist Member#: 8356 Join Date: Jul 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Vehicle: 02 STi swap 12 WRX limited	Im sure its output would be very similar to a green.

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modaddict Scooby Guru Member#: 95840 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Pasco, WA Vehicle: sold to a good bud awaiting next car	didn't clark chime in, in the other thread? i too, would like to see how these perform on more suby's

11-29-2006, 11:06 AM	#19
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