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Old 10-28-2006, 08:09 PM   #1
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Default which setup would get me the most reliable engine w/ greatest numbers?

I have a 04 STI, Ecutek, TBE and APS CAI. I'm looking at getting a 20g on my current set-up but I also want to use my TMIC and stock injectors......which brings me to the question above...Which set-up would get me the most reliable running engine with greatest numbers.

I'm considering water/alcy/meth and any combo in between. If you tell me the one you would go with and why and where I could get the kit and where I could get the items to fill the tanks.....much apreciated!!!

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The car will be a daily driver.
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Old 10-29-2006, 03:58 AM   #2
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with that turbo you will need bigger injectors than stock if you want to keep it reliable...
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Old 10-29-2006, 06:51 AM   #3
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I don't agree........... If you want to keep the stock injectors, you will most likely need to run 50/50 or 100% alc to compensate for the lack of fuel system capacity unless you run a really really lean a/f ratio and/or low boost.

Imo, you will get a good amount of performance and reliability(safety)for $500 or less if you get a basic system(from any company) that has a good problem monitoring system(dds3 from aquamist might be a good choice). If you went with a controller kit, you'd sacrifice safety for more control, and that might not even make your car run any better.

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Old 10-29-2006, 08:25 AM   #4
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I partially disagree with hippy. Yes for under $500 you can get a kit that will help you achieve your goals.
However I run the coolingmist kit with the controller for optimization. I have had no problems with my kit whatsoever.
I believe all of the kits have faisafes now.
As far as materials, I distill my own water and I buy alky at home depot.

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Old 10-29-2006, 02:34 PM   #5
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can you run any setup with any of these kits? alcy,meth,water?

jigga....already talked to a tuner and STI stock injector will work fine on a 20g, as long I run one of these kits. He said I should be running around 90-95% capacity on the injectors.
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Old 10-29-2006, 04:14 PM   #6
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Yes you can run any setup with any of the kits. You just need to get tuned for it.
Water alone will net you 0hp gains, but will allow your tuner to advance the timing a bit, thus getting you some more power. Water alone is used for more of a safety measure than anything else.

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Old 10-30-2006, 12:17 AM   #7
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I, too think that you can run your stock injectors with a WI kit. I am running the CoolingMist Stage 2, which is just about $500 complete. With my 18G I am seeing IDCs in the 80s with 50-50 meth-water, so there is quite a bit of headroom. And I am running a relatively small injector.
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:40 AM   #8
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can you run any setup with any of these kits? alcy,meth,water?

jigga....already talked to a tuner and STI stock injector will work fine on a 20g, as long I run one of these kits. He said I should be running around 90-95% capacity on the injectors.
Yeah but then you're constantly relying on the alky injection system, what if you wanted to turn that system off and just run all motor/turbo, you couldn’t because of limitation on the injectors. IMHO, the turbo and motor setup should be kept separate from injection, that is if you want to go stage 4 do so with the appropriate components, then add injection later if you choose; or vice versa but keep the two systems independant...
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Old 10-30-2006, 11:51 AM   #9
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PM me if your interested in a Snow Kit, I can do that for a lot less than 500...with the money you save I would definitely go with some injectors just in case you don't want to run methanol all the time...
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Old 10-30-2006, 11:53 AM   #10
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get injectors....don't leave the chance on the table of starving your motor
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Old 10-30-2006, 03:53 PM   #11
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You do not need to change injectors to run water, alky, meth or any combination of.
The mist is going straight into the cylinders so quick. You will require a tune.
A stock car can run any of the combination just fine, with a tune.

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get injectors....don't leave the chance on the table of starving your motor
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Old 10-30-2006, 06:19 PM   #12
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I'm always going to run Alcy once I get it hooked up. I have Ecutek so switching over from to another is a bit more challenging for me. Side note.....Don't get me wrong Ecutek was the best choice for me because i dont like off the shelf maps because I believe every car reacts differently...hence Ecutek is more custom fit since it has to be tuned specifically to your own car.

I was thinking about a 75/25 alchy/water mix.....anyone hear of this?

I really just want a reliable engine with a 20g that fits my setup and keep the TMIC (hence the alchy).
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Old 10-30-2006, 06:38 PM   #13
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I often wonder how does one run their car with ECUTEK when you are out of anti-detonant, escecially with high % of alcohol in the mix.

Even with a good failsafe system incorporated, how does one implement "plan B" as ECUTEK cannot chnage MAP?
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Old 10-30-2006, 06:39 PM   #14
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Going to low on the mix will not get you any gains.
50/50 is safe as long as you are tuned for it. In the winter 75/25 may freeze, but for winter you may want to run without juice for that reason.

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I'm always going to run Alcy once I get it hooked up. I have Ecutek so switching over from to another is a bit more challenging for me. Side note.....Don't get me wrong Ecutek was the best choice for me because i dont like off the shelf maps because I believe every car reacts differently...hence Ecutek is more custom fit since it has to be tuned specifically to your own car.

I was thinking about a 75/25 alchy/water mix.....anyone hear of this?

I really just want a reliable engine with a 20g that fits my setup and keep the TMIC (hence the alchy).
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:08 PM   #15
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....Even with a good failsafe system incorporated, how does one implement "plan B" as ECUTEK cannot chnage MAP?
Plan b(switch from failsafe) could turn on a seconday injection system(or secondary injector in case of clog). For less then the price of some systems, you could have two systems with a failsafe. Plan b could also just be not running the car hard til the injection system is running normally. What I mean is, with propper upkeep, are the chances of there being no injection any higher then a boost problem, a tire being flat, or whatever? If the boost was skyrocketting, people would normally just not run the car hard....

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....In the winter 75/25 may freeze, but for winter you may want to run without juice for that reason.
More alc=less chance of freezing.

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Old 10-30-2006, 07:15 PM   #16
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I'm in FL...so freezing is not really an option.

Aquamist....my failsafe system is me.....just like how I check my oil on a regular basis. Ecutek was the best choice for me but with everything...it does have a down side.
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