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Old 11-01-2006, 10:36 AM   #1
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The Holden Commodore VE ó yes, thatís the name ó provides a preview of the next Camaro. GMís performance future is unveiled down under.
BY PETER ROBINSON, November 2006 - Car and Driver

Chevroletís marketing gang would love nothing more than to acquire bragging rights to this heroic sports sedan. Too bad, because while GMís Australian outpost is celebrating the arrival of the new Holden Commodore VE, the bow-tie division near Detroit must cool its heels for a few more years. The Commodore has vast implications for GM globally. Itís the first production car based on the corporationís rear-drive architecture that has been developed by Holden in Australia and is scheduled to be adopted across the GM board under the Zeta name.

Zeta is the platform that will underpin a raft of future Chevrolet, Pontiac, and Buick models, including the recently approved next-generation Camaro coupe and convertible (due in late 2008 or early 2009) and possibly even a rear-wheel-drive Impala by the end of the decade. GM also confirmed that the upcoming Camaro will be built in Canada at the plant that builds the Buick LaCrosse and Pontiac Grand Prix.

In Australia, the Commodore VE lineup starts at about $26,500 U.S. for a 241-hp, 3.6-liter V-6 sedan with a four-speed automatic. All Commodores share handsome yet aggressive styling, with bulging front-wheel arches that are more prominent than an M5ís. Mike Simcoe, the former design director for the Holden brand, established the Commodoreís striking proportions early on by stretching the previous-generation Commodoreís wheelbase 5.0 inches to 114.8 and trimming the overhangs.

Itís the $34,000 VE SS and $39,500 VE SSV that captured our attention and instantly rendered the Chevrolet Impala SS even more obsolete. Power comes from the Gen IV 6.0-liter V-8 making 362 horsepower and mated to a six-speed automatic or manual transmission. Weight distribution comes in at a balanced 50/50. The platform gets a strut-type front suspension and a multilink rear similar to the setup on the Cadillac CTS and STS. If the Pontiac GTO (based on the previous Commodore architecture) was vaguely raw, the new SS delivers true refinement in a package that is poised, responsive, incredibly stable, and quick. We expect the quarter-mile to fall in about 13.8 seconds and a 0-to-60 sprint to take a tad over five flat.

Steering responses are crisp and consistent, light but communicative; the grip from the specially developed 19-inch Bridgestone tires is inspired. The confidence-boosting handling is nearly neutral, and the ride is firm, with enough compliance to soak up irregular Australian blacktop. The cabin is modern, and the seats are supportive.

Rebadged as a Chevrolet, the hot Commodore would make one brilliant Impala SS. Driving expectations for the upcoming Camaro just went to the redline.

Vehicle type: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
Base price (Australia): $34,000Ė$39,500
Engine type: pushrod 16-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection
Displacement: 364 cu in, 5967cc
Power (SAE net): 362 bhp @ 5700 rpm

Transmissions: 6-speed automatic, 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 114.8 in
Length/width/height: 192.7/74.8/58.1 in
Curb weight: 3900 lb
Performance ratings (mfrís est):
Zero to 62 mph: 5.4 sec
Top speed (governor limited): 155 mph
Projected fuel economy (mfrís est):
EPA city driving: 15 mpg
EPA highway driving: 24 mpg
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Old 11-01-2006, 11:36 AM   #2
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If they bring it as is, without changing a thing, this will sell.
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Old 11-01-2006, 11:50 AM   #3
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Unlike the last Zeta (holden) Chassis, this one was designed with the US market in mind. The last one wouldn't meet US Crash standards and had to be changed quite a bit. Each of those changes hurt the styling and functionality of the car. Especially the fuel tank move.
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Old 11-01-2006, 12:10 PM   #4
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If GM brings this over here, its only a matter of time before we get the FPV Ford Falcons
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Old 11-01-2006, 12:46 PM   #5
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if it is a future Pontiac, I hope they don't ruin the front with their trademark POS grill. just look at the previous gen. BMW 5 series so see how it's done right.
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Old 11-01-2006, 01:07 PM   #6
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If GM brings this over here, its only a matter of time before we get the FPV Ford Falcons
FoMoCo's too busy making Lincoln completely different from Ford and Mercury by adding 0.2L of displacement to their V6's to be concerned with bringing over good cars that would actually sell!
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:11 PM   #7
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After a good old shot of american novocaine, this will arrive in its new bland form.
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Old 11-01-2006, 03:09 PM   #8
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6.0L Gen IV V8 = LS2, right? Why only 360 horsies instead of 400?
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Old 11-01-2006, 04:20 PM   #9
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FoMoCo's too busy making Lincoln completely different from Ford and Mercury by adding 0.2L of displacement to their V6's to be concerned with bringing over good cars that would actually sell!
im glad Ford chose you to speak on behalf of them
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Old 11-01-2006, 05:04 PM   #10
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wrong. there are huge hurdles with converting the RHD which is why they havent been here as of yet. maybe a future falcon on a completely different platform.
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Old 11-01-2006, 07:32 PM   #11
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Unfortunately, that's a big IF.

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Old 01-09-2007, 05:05 PM   #12
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I would assume this would be the G8 replacing the Grand Prix. Which would be good for Pontiac, as long as America doesn't get stupid like it did with the GTO.
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The GTO was a dog, overpriced and heavy. These cars are sedans, and for some reason Americans just wont buy coupes anyway (which is amazing with all the threads you read about people begging for Impreza and Legacy coupes).

But hey, I personally would put my money where my mouth is!
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I wouldnt call the GTO a dog For 30k you got sub 5 second 0-60, 13.0 quarter. It just wasn't a 2000s American car....a very basic car with plain styling and a Vette motor in it. The very essence of muscle car, but America obviously doesn't want a muscle car unless it was made in the 60s/70s.
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I wouldnt call the GTO a dog For 30k you got sub 5 second 0-60, 13.0 quarter. It just wasn't a 2000s American car....a very basic car with plain styling and a Vette motor in it. The very essence of muscle car, but America obviously doesn't want a muscle car unless it was made in the 60s/70s.
Yep. The new GTO reminded me of the original in that it was pretty stealthy in appearance. Too bad it went the way of the do-do, but it sounds like it started something good.
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I have driven the predecesors of this car and they are nice.

They took the Holden Monaro, hit it with the ugly stick until it was a GTO, but they gave it a 7 litre engine, which wasnt an option before.

Basically the Monaro was a two door Commodore, so this car is a four door GTO in a sense. Although the Monaro may have moved in its own direction since it was born, seperating it from the Commodore.
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I wouldnt call the GTO a dog For 30k you got sub 5 second 0-60, 13.0 quarter. It just wasn't a 2000s American car....a very basic car with plain styling and a Vette motor in it. The very essence of muscle car, but America obviously doesn't want a muscle car unless it was made in the 60s/70s.
For 26k you got the same thing in a Mustang GT. Thats why GTO didnt sell, along with the complete lack of any factory options.

No...I'm not bitter I had only been waiting for the car for like 3 years.

Plus, I know a handful of GTO owners and they say you have to pour way too much money into them for any decent power gains.
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but they gave it a 7 litre engine, which wasnt an option before.


5.7? Or 6.0? I dont remember a 7 litre here...
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I really like this car.
I wish GM wouldn't turn the styling into crap with the Pontiac grill though.
I loved the Holden Monaro, I wish they would have just kept it as is and brought it here. I was SO close to buying a GTO. It was such a good value... The styling though was what got me. Nice interior though, whole car felt solidly built. I liked it alot.

I HATE the Pontiac styling though. If they keep this car as it is, that would be awesome.

And for some reason, I really want to buy a Holden much much more than a Pontiac or a Chevrolet. Is that a problem? Maybe (like in the thread about Lexus' success in Japan) I just don't want a homeland automobile for quality and performance.

I think it has been brought up here before, but GM, Ford, and all their secondary autos' (Pontiac, Lincoln, etc. etc.) image is destroyed in my (and many, many people of my/our age group/generation) mind.

I just cannot bring myself to buy something from them. Years of growing up and being innundated with the crappiness that had been produced by American car manufacturers in the late 70's straight through to today has really taken it's toll. Like, REALLY. I remember how many American vehicles my parents had purchased when I was younger and how turly horrible they really were compared to imports in relation to quality of materials, build quality and performance. Maybe it was their price point, maybe it was to support American products/labor, I really don't know. But I do know that I don't want to hate American cars, I just DO. I know there are alot of Domestic defenders on other auto forums too - are they in this position because they were buying American products for the same reason my parents were? I don't know...

I DO know that even though the quality is getting better, American car companies will probably not survive if they keep their current mindset.
I might also hate them for their entire business model and advertising. Bold Moves... Right... I can see them. An American Revolution? Uh huh.
I also hate their motorsports divisions. At least the Corvette and the GTOs were competing in events that I care about. But I cannot stand NASCAR. One big giant advertisement in which the tracks were set up so that people could see the entire cars and (more importantly) their sponsor logos.
Maybe I just can't stand American society's advertising and marketing obsession. Or should I just say Capitalism?
And that's a whole 'nother rant.

But at least I'm recognizing why I hate American automobiles. I guess that's the first step, right?

Yikes. I'd better stop.

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For 26k you got the same thing in a Mustang GT. Thats why GTO didnt sell, along with the complete lack of any factory options.

No...I'm not bitter I had only been waiting for the car for like 3 years.

Plus, I know a handful of GTO owners and they say you have to pour way too much money into them for any decent power gains.
Well Christ, how much more hp do you need?! The damn thing's got 400.
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^ and it still only runs mid 13s

it disappointed a lot of people, including myself.
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I like it. But I'm sure GM will find a way to change that.
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Old 01-10-2007, 05:50 PM   #24
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Grill and bumper and headlights look a lot like a Mazda Protege
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Looks awesome!!! Dosen't holden make these in awd????
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