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Old 11-02-2006, 08:07 AM   #1
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Son of Toyota Supra will be a hybrid! (AutoExpress)

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Son of Supra will be a hybrid!

This silver machine is Toyota's all-new performance flagship, a hybrid-powered rival to coupés such as Nissan's new GT-R

Replacing the firm's famous sports car - which disappeared from Toyota's line-up in 1996 - the new model will go on sale in 2008, and takes styling inspiration from luxury brand Lexus' forthcoming LF-A.

But while that car will use a 500bhp 4.8-litre V10 when it arrives in 2009, Toyota's new model gets a tweaked version of the Lexus GS450h's 341bhp 3.5-litre V6 hybrid powertrain, giving it a unique combination of performance and economy.

With rear-wheel drive and a seven-speed sequential auto, the supercar should cover the 0-60mph sprint in less than five seconds and hit a top speed in excess of 170mph, yet return 30mpg. The mach-ine has already been seen testing at the Nürburgring circuit in Germany.

A concept is scheduled to appear at the Detroit Motor Show in January, while the production version is expected to be priced to match Nissan's new GT-R.

Meanwhile, Toyota-owned Daihatsu has unveiled an electric variant of its Copen convertible at the EVS-22 electric car show in Tokyo. Fitted with lithium-ion batteries and a 30kW motor, the Copen EV has a top speed of 75mph and a range of 155 miles.

And Subaru, which is also part-owned by Toyota, revealed vanadium-oxide batteries which have twice the power of lithium-ion units and 10 times the life of the nickel-hydride ones used in the Toyota Prius.


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Old 11-02-2006, 08:11 AM   #2
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i like the design

+1 for toyota!
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Old 11-02-2006, 08:11 AM   #3
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Old 11-02-2006, 08:12 AM   #4
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Wow, hope the real car looks better than that thing.
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Old 11-02-2006, 08:17 AM   #5
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Isn't that just a blending of the previous 'Supra concept that never materialized' and the GT-R concept??
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Old 11-02-2006, 08:22 AM   #6
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Yay for innovation, but Boo for boring design
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Old 11-02-2006, 09:00 AM   #7
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boring????
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Old 11-02-2006, 09:14 AM   #8
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Yea I don't see anything really boring or ugly with the concept...
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Old 11-02-2006, 09:23 AM   #9
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Interesting, but there always seem to be rumors about the next Supra. I'd be less skeptical if there were real spy pics out, not just cg ones.

The really interesting thing to me was the last line.
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And Subaru, which is also part-owned by Toyota, revealed vanadium-oxide batteries which have twice the power of lithium-ion units and 10 times the life of the nickel-hydride ones used in the Toyota Prius.
I'd definitely like to know more info about this.
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Old 11-02-2006, 09:26 AM   #10
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With rear-wheel drive and a seven-speed sequential auto, the supercar should cover the 0-60mph sprint in less than five seconds and hit a top speed in excess of 170mph, yet return 30mpg.
A corvette goes to 60 in about 4 seconds, has a higher top speed, will almost assuredly cost less, and gets 28 mpg. While I'm sure the Toyota is more reliable, and probably gets better city mpg, I don't think Toyota should be bragging about the numbers above. Oh, and I hate the auto-only!

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And Subaru, which is also part-owned by Toyota, revealed vanadium-oxide batteries which have twice the power of lithium-ion units and 10 times the life of the nickel-hydride ones used in the Toyota Prius.
Go Subaru! They'll need the power with their non-aluminum future.
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Old 11-02-2006, 09:27 AM   #11
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Looks ugly to me.
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:04 AM   #12
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^^ i read a test that had the corvette getting 30mpg!

also, i don't like the auto-only transmission, but i found it weird that they would use the 7spd one, because doesn't toyota have an 8spd auto transmission?
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:21 AM   #13
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I know Lexus has an 8-speed auto, I don't know if Toyota's put it in any of their models yet.
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:58 AM   #14
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I hate to say it and I've never owned anything but Japanese cars, but the Corvette is a better option, I agree with ^^^. 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and gets 28mpg, handles well and is pretty well loaded, Toyota is about 3 years behind and more expensive
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Old 11-02-2006, 11:05 AM   #15
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but the Corvette is a better option
Pretty bold statement to make based on rumors from a car magazine and a couple photoshops of a car.
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Old 11-02-2006, 11:14 AM   #16
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Yeah, let's wait and see it before declaring winners and losers.
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Old 11-02-2006, 12:36 PM   #17
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Old 11-02-2006, 01:37 PM   #18
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I actually saw the previous gen Supra going around Nurburgring with a hybrid setup. They are testing the drivetrain there, it seems, and it was going as quick as the standard twin turbo Supras there. This was with Toyota test drivers at the wheel. Don't know what exact engine configuration is under the hood, though I would like it to be the good ol I6 turbo, not a V6.

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Old 11-02-2006, 01:42 PM   #19
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Will be interesting to see how much it weighs. The GS450h weighs almost 400 lbs more than the GS430. I think Toyota purposefullty delayed the 460 to get some marketing milage out of the 450h. The competition's V-8's all make more power than the 430 does now.

The comparisons to the Corvette are valid becuase it is clearly the performance benchmark for the sub $100k sports car.
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Old 11-02-2006, 01:44 PM   #20
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I actually saw the previous gen Supra going around Nurburgring with a hybrid setup. They are testing the drivetrain there, it seems, and it was going as quick as the standard twin turbo Supras there. This was with Toyota test drivers at the wheel. Don't know what exact engine configuration is under the hood, though I would like it to be the good ol I6 turbo, not a V6.

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That is not a good thing. So their benchmark is 1994 performance? The stock Supra is not that great of a performer by today's standards.
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I think we are forgetting that this probably isn't out to be the best super car out there, it's to be a sports car with good mpg. If its hybrid then obviously it can't be the best unless they have some new tech.
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i knew this was coming
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Interesting. Last thing I read about the 2008 Supra in either Road&Track or Car&Driver guessed that it would compete with the Nissan 350Z use the Lexus IS chasis and direct-injected 3.5L V6. Priced less than $30k.

Seems more reasonable to expect that than the super hybrid for 2008.
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That is not a good thing. So their benchmark is 1994 performance? The stock Supra is not that great of a performer by today's standards.
A stock supra holds a performance advantage over the STI in most every, if not all categories....
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A stock supra holds a performance advantage over the STI in most every, if not all categories....
Not stock, you mean Supra Turbo. Stock N/A version was 220 hp.

And the Supra Turbo was like $50k and 10 year old ones sell for $20k?(I'm guessing) it should be at least a little faster.
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