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Old 11-03-2006, 11:05 PM   #1
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My co-worker sent me the following link:
http://savefuel.ca/oxy-hydrogen/

Has anyone heard of taking oxygen and hydrogen out of distilled water and dump it in the cylinders?

What kind of effect does that have on the engine? The web site obviously claim it save you gas and give you more horsepower. But will the ECU simply tune the benefits out?

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Old 11-03-2006, 11:19 PM   #2
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Reminds me of an old ad I remember where some people were selling "boost fluid". Save your money for something that works.

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Old 11-18-2006, 09:09 PM   #3
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This could give your engine more power too.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2004...eritor_cl.html
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Old 02-02-2008, 05:29 PM   #4
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http://www.preignitioncc.com/ps/index.htm I plan on installing and tuning an HAFC. I'm half way done with building my own PICC. I'll let you know if I get more power too.
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Old 02-02-2008, 05:45 PM   #5
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nasa does that in the shuttle main engines
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Old 02-02-2008, 05:53 PM   #6
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so that thing uses electricity(produced from the alternator) to separate water into it's constituent components (electrolysis) then feeds the H and O into the motor for fuel...hmmmm

sound like the perpetual motion machines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
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Old 02-02-2008, 06:21 PM   #7
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Interesting. I wonder if you install two systems, it will triple your mileage?
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Old 02-02-2008, 10:13 PM   #9
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http://www.preignitioncc.com/ps/index.htm I plan on installing and tuning an HAFC. I'm half way done with building my own PICC. I'll let you know if I get more power too.
AHHH!!! Watch the PICC video on that site. One of the last things the guy says is that with this installed on your vehicle you won't have to change your engine oil.

Sweet I know what I am buying with my tax return.
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Old 02-02-2008, 10:35 PM   #10
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http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9115 Here is some more. Go done the page and read what mpgmike has to say about the process.
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Old 02-06-2008, 05:45 PM   #11
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This is all great theroy but the truth is that it isn't easy to separate hydrogen from oxygen. You don't just vaporize it. 2H2O > 2H2 + O2. The process of turning 2 molecules of water into 2 molecules of hydrogen gas and 1 molecule of oxygen takes a lot of energy. In fact it takes just as much to do it as the energy that is released from burning them.

One guy on one of those topic articles talked about using hydrogen peroxide. This may be interesting if put into a water/meth injection kit and tuned.
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:43 PM   #12
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This is all great theroy but the truth is that it isn't easy to separate hydrogen from oxygen. You don't just vaporize it. 2H2O > 2H2 + O2. The process of turning 2 molecules of water into 2 molecules of hydrogen gas and 1 molecule of oxygen takes a lot of energy. In fact it takes just as much to do it as the energy that is released from burning them.

One guy on one of those topic articles talked about using hydrogen peroxide. This may be interesting if put into a water/meth injection kit and tuned.
Sure would, hydrogen peroxide when mixed with oils can create highly unstable contact explosives (in higher concentrations). It would also decompose quickly. This is an exothermal decomposition which means it releases a lot of heat when it does this, around 68% releases enough heat to vaporize itself (pressure dependant). Mix it with any concentration of methanol inside of your alky injection tank and you will have the first rocket propelled subaru (there could be others but I don't think so and yes this is an exaggeration but the results will not be good). The resulting rapid decompostion would indeed be very interesting. The H2O2 you can buy at the store; ~2% disinfectant - ~6% hair bleach, will decompose rapidly just sitting in the bottle. Reason is it will react with the .1% worth of impurities that reside in the DI water that was used to dilute it. If you could get higher concentrations (70%+, aka HTP) you would need to keep it below 159F at sea level at all times since the vapors produced above that can detonate. Not to mention that even concentrations as low as 20% can do bad things if it comes into contact with contaminants in a confined space and since it would be shorter to make a list of things that it doesn't react violently with this can prove to be a challenge. It is also one of the strongest oxidizers on the planet only being surpassed by substances like fluorine and ozone (there are others but you get the point). HTP is used as a monopropellant. Before any of our stainless or titanium tubing and or fittings would be installed they are first prepared with a process (pickle & pacify) where light concentrations are pumped though every tube, valve, and fitting, slowly increasing the concentration to ensure there are no contaminants. Once installed the system is tested using weak concentrations, this insures that you didn't accidently install a copper soft seat in one of the AN connections

I like the perpetual motion machine idea better it would probably be easier and safer even if it didn't work.

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Interesting. I wonder if you install two systems, it will triple your mileage?
I was listening on there hot line. On a 4 and 6cyl engine the HHO cell should draw about 12 to 15 amps. V8 27amps. Any more than that you get diminished returns apparently. Hot line link.http://mpgresearch.com/viewtopic.php?t=2006
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