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Old 11-05-2006, 02:20 AM   #1
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Default Growing problem in Anchorage.

Hey guys, wanted to start a discussion on the growing crime problem in Anchorage. It's starting to scare me how much crap is going on, today they found a body in Kincaid park, seems like there is at least 1 murder every week. It is really getting out of control and gang violence is also getting pretty big. We had a specific team to fight gangs at one time and they really cracked down, as soon as they got the gang problem under control, like idiots they got rid of the team.

What do you guys think it is going to take for the city to get ahold of the problem?
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Old 11-05-2006, 02:22 AM   #2
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i dont know what it is going to take. I just am thankful I live on base. Eagle River is a pretty safe town too.
To answer your question, you really need to know what is driving the acts. What is their motive? Hiring more cops might not be an answer.
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Old 11-05-2006, 02:29 AM   #3
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The city of Anchorage is more concerned with gettting the gas pipe line started than they are about getting the gang violence under control. I use to live in a town twice the size of Anchorage and we had less gang violence. They need a gang task force that really cares about cracking down on the violence.
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Old 11-05-2006, 06:09 AM   #4
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but are the bodies showing up "innocent by-standers?"..chances are..they are involved with the homicide supspects too right?
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Old 11-05-2006, 06:15 AM   #5
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hmm.. i live over on muldoon.... neighbors have gotten robbed but not shot yet thankfully. although i did hear a shooting the other day, checked outside and quickly went back in.
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Old 11-05-2006, 06:17 AM   #6
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hmm.. i live over on muldoon.... neighbors have gotten robbed but not shot yet thankfully. although i did hear a shooting the other day, checked outside and quickly went back in.
Quickly went back in?? DEFEND YOURSELVES!..i know that the military didnt spend all that money for you to go back in LOL, just messing with you..i would probably cry.
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Old 11-05-2006, 06:20 AM   #7
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Quickly went back in?? DEFEND YOURSELVES!..i know that the military didnt spend all that money for you to go back in LOL, just messing with you..i would probably cry.
heh, well if I actually had a weapon myself, I would defend myself(besides a katana) but then again, they were shooting themselves so they take car of the problem for me, and I dont have to worry about gettin shot. ^_^ Im in intel, im to "valuable" to go get shot...
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Old 11-05-2006, 06:21 AM   #8
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"valuable" pfft...
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Old 11-05-2006, 01:29 PM   #9
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yeah crime is on the rise... what last week they found a dead body in an alley and they believe the shooter was killed when he ran into traffic a couple blocks later. Two dead... plus kids are still thinking its cool to get stoned and dry click guns at eachother until one goes off. Great way to thin the herd I guess... Yeah every week a killing. I don't think hiring more cops is the answer as there are plenty out there. This is my opinion but they need to dedicate more of the force to stopping actual crimes then driving the streets looking for loud exhausts and tinted windows.

Parents need to take more of an interest in their kids... the education system needs to step up.

Something has to be done about the gangs...

I can see anchorage getting as bad as NY in a few years...
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Old 11-05-2006, 01:36 PM   #10
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Yeah, it is certainly increasing fast now. Read some statistics recently on per capita murder rates in the US. Anchorage went from #375 to around #200 in the last two years. If you are interested- #1 is St. Louis, #2 is Detroit..


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yeah crime is on the rise... ...Parents need to take more of an interest in their kids... the education system needs to step up.

Something has to be done about the gangs...

I can see anchorage getting as bad as NY in a few years...
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Old 11-05-2006, 01:41 PM   #11
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doesn't surprise me about detroit. You could feel the difference in the air just driving across the bridge from canada. Almost like a sense of urgancy would come over you like you were alone in a sea of sharks with a bleeding leg. Get outta there canuck before you die!

no honestly thats what it felt like...
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Old 11-05-2006, 02:01 PM   #12
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Unfortunately I think it is just a by product of our growing population in a relatively small place. Population density is up and will continue to grow. Traffic congestion in some places is becoming rediculous. Economically you can make the argument of more and more people competing for the same existing resources, etc. Anchorage seems to walk that fine line between small town mentality and big city growth.

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Old 11-05-2006, 06:10 PM   #13
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i've been here in anchorage about 8 months, and it seems the permanent fund dividend is a big problem. Large families come here because of the permanent fund dividend. The thing is 1000 bucks a year for a kid isn't enough, and is certainly not extra money, when you have 10 kids in your family 1000 bucks a kid is 10000 bucks, but thats only a big deal if your really dirt poor. 10000 bucks doesn't go a long way to feed 10 kids for an entire year... trust me my family is 8 people and we had a hard time getting by when i was younger.

Back on to the subject, there is a relationship to low income and high crimerate, when you got huge families, with a bunch of kids, those kids will be neglected, they have no money they dont get ****, so they join gangs so they can get support, which their parents dont give them, because their parents are too distracted with so many kids. These kids go on the streets and they try to make money, they roll with their click, and they roll hard, they dont have anything to lose, and have a lack of commonsense.

I believe if they made it so the PFD wasn't withdrawable until 18, and it built interest while it was in holding. I believe many people would leave alaska, esspecially the low income people, I have nothing against low income people, but incidentally low income neighborhoods have the highest crime rate. Theres simply too many families coming here because of the PFD, and they let their kids run the streets causing trouble.
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Old 11-05-2006, 06:14 PM   #14
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I heard a gunshot sitting at the glenn hwy and bragaw intersection. Either that or someones tire blew out. I didnt see anyone on the side of the road tho. Man this place is getting bad. The news said its #5 on the nations list for dangerous cities.
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Old 11-05-2006, 11:57 PM   #15
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[quote=Mavrik;15875133]

Parents need to take more of an interest in their kids...

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bingo we have a winner
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Old 11-06-2006, 12:00 AM   #16
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I heard a gunshot sitting at the glenn hwy and bragaw intersection. Either that or someones tire blew out.
naw that was just oldschools car back firing
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Old 11-06-2006, 12:06 AM   #17
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Low income, big families are a small problem to the big picture. Its actually alot of the hip hop culture of trying to be hood that is growing and resonates with these guys. Some are just being stupid with guns while they're high.
Actually the root problem is all the guys from California and Washington that are running from their problems down there and come up here and start up their business back up here then all the guys hooked on their drugs go around stealing, b&e and gangbanging to get their fix.
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well saying the pfd has something to do with its seems alittle off, yes some families do and have moved up here because of it but in most cases there was a problem before they moved up here, that and the pfd is a once a year pay out the problem were having is year round , most of the crime is being fueled by drugs manly now a days methanphetamine(sp), i've had personal family involvement with this and let me tell you it ain't pretty, also it has to do with the parents not teaching there children right from wrong and that every thing has a consiquance wether you steel a pack of gum or put a bullet in someone, alot of that comes from both parents having to work long hours to make ends meet leaving the kids with the t.v. as a babysitter along with the game systems out there or just nothing better to do then go out and join a gang and cause trouble, yes our econimy has a lot to do with it, specially since the difference between poor and middle class is getting smaller and the diference between middle and rich is getting alot bigger, i think (last i looked) it was that top one percent that was making and holding most of the money in this country, just a question has there ever been in modern times not been a president that came from money and was groomed from an early age to be a politician
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Old 11-06-2006, 12:26 AM   #19
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Low income, big families are a small problem to the big picture. Its actually alot of the hip hop culture of trying to be hood that is growing and resonates with these guys. Some are just being stupid with guns while they're high.
Actually the root problem is all the guys from California and Washington that are running from their problems down there and come up here and start up their business back up here then all the guys hooked on their drugs go around stealing, b&e and gangbanging to get their fix.

damn we have another winner here, what ever happen to the times when you could settle a problem in a good old street fight instead of a shootout
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Old 11-06-2006, 01:19 AM   #20
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Hmm.... well we're actually number 212 on the United Sates safest cities list. 1 being the safest and 315 being the least safest. The top 10 cities that are the most dangerous can't even compare to Anchorage. I'm not even sure why anyone would live in those cities if Crime is that bad.

Yes Anchorage is getting worse instead of good and I do agree that something needs to be done soon. The thing that scares me is that crime used to be concentrated in Fairview and Mt. View. These parts of town used to be the worst parts of Anchorage. Not only do you have crime in Mt. View, Fairview, and Spenard. But you have crime on the Southside and over on the East side by Muldoon and also on the West Side. Crime has spread throughout Anchorage and I think that should be the biggest concern. Why has it spread so much and only in the past 2 years? 3 years ago I couldn't remember seeing someone shot and killed over on the Southside of town.

Hopefully they find a solution soon before it gets even worse.

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and most people who are desperate for money probably don't move to alaska and wait two years to get a PFD in the mail. Kinda a lot of work.
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The cops here need to get off their asses and start doing their jobs. I see people blolwing through red lights and stop signs all the time. If they don't care about common traffic infractions, why would they care about gang violence? This town needs about double or triple the cops it has now and they need to give a damn. This isn't the old west.

I'm more than a little paranoid about my cars getting vandalized or stolen, and I'm not unconcerned about burglaries. Perhaps it's time to buy another gun?

Shouldn't gang violence decrease during the winter due to everyone being indoors?
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Mavrik
Parents need to take more of an interest in their kids...

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bingo we have a winner

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Yes I it has alot to do with pot and meth(drugs) these guys are hardcore real life gangsters not 50 cent play gangster.


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Damn we have another winner here, what ever happen to the times when you could settle a problem in a good old street fight instead of a shootout

These guys can still kill you in street fight


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it has to do with the parents not teaching there children right from wrong and that every thing has a consiquance wether you steel a pack of gum or put a bullet in someone, alot of that comes from both parents having to work long hours to make ends meet leaving the kids with the t.v. as a babysitter along with the game systems out there or just nothing better to do then go out and join a gang and cause trouble

Well said


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yes our econimy has a lot to do with it, specially since the difference between poor and middle class is getting smaller and the diference between middle and rich is getting alot bigger, i think (last i looked) it was that top one percent that was making and holding most of the money in this country, just a question has there ever been in modern times not been a president that came from money and was groomed from an early age to be a politician

Its true we are one of the fastest growing cities/states in the US and wealthiest states per capita.

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The cops here need to get off their asses and start doing their jobs. I see people blolwing through red lights and stop signs all the time. If they don't care about common traffic infractions, why would they care about gang violence? This town needs about double or triple the cops it has now and they need to give a damn. This isn't the old west


The problem grew because of the lack of foresight be the police. My best friends dad (cop) said its under funded and understaffed but admitted they neglected the problem for some time and didnt realize how bad it but it was too late and tried to do something then News highlighted it. He said they were too busy playing cop with exhaust, tint, no front plate citations. He said some officers pull you over just to pick on you and ruin your day with a ticket. He admitted this is common practice especially when enter the force being a young guy, now that he has teen son he hates to think what off what would happen if someone did the same to him. He makes his son keep some known APD paraphernalia readily visible to keeps cops off him if they pull him over. Blatantly open crime does slow but Alaskan winters are long so many users increase their use. They are not prone to steal from you or me but rather other users who they use with or do illegal activity they people cant go to the cops because if they do they will only be telling on themselves.
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Parents need to take more of an interest in their kids...

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bingo we have a winner

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Yes I it has alot to do with pot and meth(drugs) these guys are hardcore real life gangsters not 50 cent play gangster.


TribalWRX
Damn we have another winner here, what ever happen to the times when you could settle a problem in a good old street fight instead of a shootout

These guys can still kill you in street fight


TribalWRX
it has to do with the parents not teaching there children right from wrong and that every thing has a consiquance wether you steel a pack of gum or put a bullet in someone, alot of that comes from both parents having to work long hours to make ends meet leaving the kids with the t.v. as a babysitter along with the game systems out there or just nothing better to do then go out and join a gang and cause trouble

Well said


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yes our econimy has a lot to do with it, specially since the difference between poor and middle class is getting smaller and the diference between middle and rich is getting alot bigger, i think (last i looked) it was that top one percent that was making and holding most of the money in this country, just a question has there ever been in modern times not been a president that came from money and was groomed from an early age to be a politician

Its true we are one of the fastest growing cities/states in the US and wealthiest states per capita.

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The cops here need to get off their asses and start doing their jobs. I see people blolwing through red lights and stop signs all the time. If they don't care about common traffic infractions, why would they care about gang violence? This town needs about double or triple the cops it has now and they need to give a damn. This isn't the old west


The problem grew because of the lack of foresight be the police. My best friends dad (cop) said its under funded and understaffed but admitted they neglected the problem for some time and didnt realize how bad it but it was too late and tried to do something then News highlighted it. He said they were too busy playing cop with exhaust, tint, no front plate citations. He said some officers pull you over just to pick on you and ruin your day with a ticket. He admitted this is common practice especially when enter the force being a young guy, now that he has teen son he hates to think what off what would happen if someone did the same to him. He makes his son keep some known APD paraphernalia readily visible to keeps cops off him if they pull him over. Blatantly open crime does slow but Alaskan winters are long so many users increase their use. They are not prone to steal from you or me but rather other users who they use with or do illegal activity they people cant go to the cops because if they do they will only be telling on themselves.
I agree, parents need to whoop some ass instead of letting thier kids do what ever the hell they want. My little brother went to Gruening MS last year, and is going to Eagle River HS this year, some of the crap he tells me that kids pull, 8th graders punching security guards in the face, saying stuff to teachers that I wouldnt have dreamed of saying to them, its rediculous. No way in hell my brother will do anything like that becuase he knows my Dad will kick his ass.
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Old 11-06-2006, 12:42 PM   #25
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kids have to many rights... I can tell you the only right I had as a kid was sit down and shut up. I was raised kids were to be seen, not heard. Kids these days can get away with anything because parents are afraid of them. If they do anything to their kids... they get in worse trouble then anything the government will dish out to the kids for their actions. Its a horrible state we're coming to and we think our country is the best?

As for break ins... I think some of the issues with them only breaking into houses they know is because of this fact... Everyone has a gun. If you break into my house I can shot you, claim self defense and that I was in fear of my life. The wife and I may own a small gun but it doesn't have a safety or need to be cocked to fire. I can twitch my finger pretty fast so odds are I'll be repainting my walls afterwards and your friends will be having a memorial. don't risk entering a strangers house.
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