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Old 11-10-2006, 08:55 AM   #1
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An article in my newspaper this morning says that the new Consumer Reports for this year gives the Tribeca a bad rating. Has anyone seen this?
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Old 11-10-2006, 03:57 PM   #2
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They gave it a recommended rating.

Highs: Ride, handling, quietness, fit and finish.

Lows: Acceleration, transmission, cramped second- and third-row seats, child-seat placement.

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Old 11-13-2006, 05:57 PM   #3
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I just looked on line at the review. They got 16 MPG. That's odd I can't remember ever getting that low. It says 11 city and 25 highway. 11? Anyone ever get 11? I've never gotten 25 either but we don't go long for long highway drives. There seem to be an awful lot of red dots though in the trouble spots and safety section.
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Old 11-13-2006, 06:18 PM   #4
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Thanks, Peaty.

Can you give us a link to te article?
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Old 11-13-2006, 06:22 PM   #5
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here's a link to a repost of the article over on the edmunds' Tribeca forums

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f0f63ff/57
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Old 11-13-2006, 07:25 PM   #6
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I just looked on line at the review. They got 16 MPG. That's odd I can't remember ever getting that low. It says 11 city and 25 highway. 11? Anyone ever get 11? I've never gotten 25 either but we don't go long for long highway drives. There seem to be an awful lot of red dots though in the trouble spots and safety section.
Just so people know....red dots with Consumer Reports is a good thing ....it's the black dots that you have to worry about.

As for some of the other comments....don't you think that Consumer Reports has a 7 passenger tester and never figured out the dual releases to move the seat all the way back. With the seat all the way back I don't know how they can call it cramped.
If however, they don't know about the second release....then that might explain it. I wonder how many actual owners don't know about it?!?!
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Old 11-13-2006, 08:59 PM   #7
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I didn't know about it when I first test drove the Tribeca. But even if you do know about it, if you need to use the third row then both the second and third rows are cramped.

But the important thing to remember is that any review or evaluation assumes certain priorities, weights, tastes, etc. There's no objective way to evaluate a total car as better than another car. What matters is whether you like it.

I say this as someone who has written over 400 reviews. I tell people that I cannot decide which car is best for them--they have to do that. My full take:

Comparison tests and best pick lists: what are they good for?
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Old 11-13-2006, 11:24 PM   #8
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The actual report they are reffering to is on Page 5 of the New Car 2007 Preview. The Dodge Caliber, Pontiac Solstice, Tribeca, and Eclipse are noted.

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New or Redesigned Hits and Misses

Most Disappointing New Cars

Dodge Caliber
Pontiac Solstice

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Subaru B9 Tribeca

Though the car-based B9 Tribeca did well in our overall Ratings, we were expecting much more, considering how vastly improved Subaru's other recent offerings have been. Notable flaws are the Tribeca's cramped second- and third-row rear seats, the thirsty and underpowered 6-cylinder engine, and automatic transmission that shifts reluctantly.
Mitsubishi Eclipse.
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Old 11-14-2006, 08:36 AM   #9
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Thanks, Peaty.

Can you give us a link to te article?

I don't think so you need a subscription to the on line section to log into the whole site
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Old 11-14-2006, 10:24 AM   #10
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That's pretty much all they said about the Tribeca in the New Car Preview, anyway.

CR is all about making things as dumbed-down as possible. They providing very little supporting detail behind their ratings and recommendations, even though people have been asking for it. They emphasize "bests" and "worsts."

And then the press gets a hold of their stuff and dumbs it down even further.

Every Tribeca owner most likely knew how much room was in the back of the vehicle when they bought it, and they were okay with that. That CR isn't okay with it, or that I personally made the same criticism, shouldn't make any difference. Others' criticisms of the Tribeca's rear seat room merely indicate that this might be a problem for other people, not that it must be a problem. If owners don't feel it's a problem, then as far as they're concerned there's no problem. End of story.

The reality is, there are no simple bests and worsts. Different people have different tastes, needs, priorities, and weights. A better system would provide people with information that would enable them to easily sort out which car is best FOR THEM.

This is not what CR does. It is what I hope to do.

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Old 11-14-2006, 11:30 AM   #11
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Nicely done BTW thanks.
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:43 PM   #12
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...There's no objective way to evaluate a total car as better than another car. What matters is whether you like it.

I say this as someone who has written over 400 reviews. I tell people that I cannot decide which car is best for them--they have to do that. My full take:

Comparison tests and best pick lists: what are they good for?
Great article- and quite true. I picked the Tribeca, after an exhaustive search, not because it was the best vehicle, but because it was the best vehicle for ME.

I was looking for a mid-sized SUV, that had all the luxury appointments and feel (so long Xterra, 4Runner, Rav4), but wasn't ridiculously expensive (out goes the Lexus GX and LX), and that I could still take off-road (bye bye RX350, Highlander, Pilot, Murano and nearly every other AWD crossover).

I wanted reasonable fuel economy (bye bye Explorer, Envoy, Grand Cherokee, Touareg). I really loved the Touareg for its combination of on-road, off road prowess and style, but the fuel economy and reliability scared me away. Also- driving one for 2 weeks, taking 5300lbs with you every where you go is cumbersome. Cool vehicle tho'.

I didn't need something too big, as I have only one child, but the option of a 7-seater for extended family and friends was a nice option. The Beca was perfect in this regard. Not a full time 7 passenger vehicle, but there when you need it.

Safety- the 5-star front, side. 122ft 60-0 stopping distance, rollover sensor, side airbags, etc. Made me feel that I wasn't sacrificing anything to safety.

I've got a motorcycle when I feel the need for speed, so the 3.0L 245hp engine is good enough for me.

Styling- always subjective, but I like the Tribeca- inside and out. It's a combination of SUV, sportscar and minivan. I wish it looked a bit more macho, but at least it looks different. The Murano is better looking, but the 'beca is close. The Grand Cherokee was another option. Loved it's exterior styling, but hated the interior. That plus lousy engine choices and reliability knocked it off the pedestal.

Every vehicle is a compromise- but for the $33K I paid for a 7 pass Ltd w/ Nav is a lot of luxury and capability that I couldn't find elsewhere. I'll be throwing hang gliders on the roof, loading it up with friends, and taking it up mountains- as well as driving my daughter to pre-school and going on family skiing trips. Overall- the best vehicle I could find... for ME.
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