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Old 11-15-2006, 07:29 PM   #1
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Default Dedicated Track Brake Pads for 05 STi Brembo's?

Hey guys, I did the search, and the closest thread I could find was track day for the 4 pot's.

I was wondering which brake pad will be the best for the brembo's for track days only. I'll be switching brake pads from track to street so these pads will only see track. I'm a budget racer like most so price is a factor and also longevity. But I am not going to skim on the brakes since they are the most important.

So what I'm looking for is performance, some longevity, and price..but price being not as bad a deal. I just don't want pads that will only last 1 or 2 track days I guess.

I've came up with a list of pads people have mentioned

Pagid Orange or Blue
Ferodo DS2500.
Hawk HPS or HP+ (HPS is more for street/autox, so thats out..)
Carbotech Bobcat or Panther + (Bobcats are more for street/autox)
Axxis Ultimate
Project Mu BForce
RED STUFF EBC
Porterfield R4
Mintex (name?)
Endless CCX

So many different pads out there, which is the one I'm looking for ? =(

Oh, and my setup is completely stock brakes (STi Brembo's) but I'll be using high temperature brake fluid either ATE or Motul's, which my friend found out, is VERY important.
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Old 11-15-2006, 07:33 PM   #2
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I used HP+ on my SRT-4 for track days and they work great. I did around 5 30 minute sessions in one day and then a autocross the next day with no problems. Did another two autocross events about a month or two later and still stopping great. That was with Mogal brake fluid with the stock SRT brakes and regular OEM rotors.
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Old 11-15-2006, 07:35 PM   #3
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Thanks I've been looking at HP+ but not sure if I need something more aggressive for a dedicated track pad, but definitely will be considering that.
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Old 11-15-2006, 07:37 PM   #4
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Axxis ULT are good
Project Mu Titan are good
pagid blue are good
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Old 11-15-2006, 07:53 PM   #5
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HP+ and ULT are not track pads by any means and should not be considered for dedicated use. I would personally recommend the PFC01 or PFC97 compounds as they are some of the best pads out there for track use and are suprisingly inexpensive when compared to what Hawk, Pagid and Ferodo have to offer.
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Old 11-15-2006, 07:55 PM   #6
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What pads come with PFc01 or 97 compounds, I'm pretty new at this, thanks!
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Old 11-15-2006, 08:16 PM   #7
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Off the recomendation of a friend who drives a Z06 I bought a set of Carbotech Panter XP8s. They held up with out any fade through Tracquest events (more driving time than most DEs). They are track pads but not to the point that I was worried about destroying my rotors. At 1350 degree rating they stop the STi very nice every time.

After two events about 60% of the fronts are gone and 30% of the rears. I'll be on my third event the first week in December. I paid $227 at oakos.com for the fronts and $139 for the rears (free shipping).

I found that these pads combined with good fluid is an excellent choice.
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Old 11-15-2006, 09:10 PM   #8
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I've tried Hawk HT-10s and they stop like a mother-after four HPDE events they were still at about 80% pad left - i have the stopteck bbk in my wrx. They are what my mechanic recomended. Crazy stop power! Almost $300 for the front!
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Old 11-15-2006, 09:19 PM   #9
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I'm running Hawk blue's on my spec miata (yes different car, but both meant for track) without any ill problems. So far I have 10 25min sessions and there is plenty of pad left. Given this is for a car that weighs 1000lbs less then an sti.
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Old 11-15-2006, 09:22 PM   #10
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Since you're going to be swapping back and forth between track and street pads (the best way to do it), don't forget about compatibility between your two sets of pads.

Read StopTech's related info on the subject.

I went with Carbotech's Bobcats for street/autox and XP8s for track days and have had excellent results. Shaved street tires for autox and track. Now that I'm on R-compound tires for street, autox & track I've stepped up a bit to Carbotech's AX6 front/Bobcat rear for street/autox (a touch of squeal on the street, where the Bobcats had none) and XP12 front/XP8 rear for track. I get almost no wear on the rear pads.

I got four days of 4/20-25 minute sessions per day out of the XP8s, and virtually zero rotor wear.

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Old 11-15-2006, 09:32 PM   #11
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In my opinion, the best way to go is either Pagid Yellow/Blue or PFC 97/01. I personally have the Pagid Yellows and I couldn't be happier. Bite and fade resistance are outstanding and because they are an endurance racing pad, they have amazing longevity. After 5 or 6 weekends, mine still have lots of material left, I would say more than half. You can easily get at least a full season out of these, probably more if you aren't terribly hard on brakes. I also have cooling ducts, which help a lot.
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I run PF97's all the way round and they work great...
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Certainly any of those pads will work. But you will get the best performance out of the Pagid Yellows or PFC 01's. They are true race compounds and will not be to harsh on your rotors unlike the Hawks and some other "race" pads.
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Wow thanks everyone for the replies, I thikn I'll look into quite a few that everyone's been talking about. I didn't realize the price will be that high for some of these pads, I know it's not a good idea to run different pads front and back, but do people do that? Just run like I don't know, say PFC 01's in the front and like Hawk HP+'s in the back. I figured it's not a good idea since the pads might perform differently, but some people have ran HP+ in the front and HPS in the back, so..just throwing that idea out there.
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Old 11-15-2006, 11:59 PM   #15
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Off the recomendation of a friend who drives a Z06 I bought a set of Carbotech Panter XP8s. They held up with out any fade through Tracquest events (more driving time than most DEs). They are track pads but not to the point that I was worried about destroying my rotors. At 1350 degree rating they stop the STi very nice every time.

After two events about 60% of the fronts are gone and 30% of the rears. I'll be on my third event the first week in December. I paid $227 at oakos.com for the fronts and $139 for the rears (free shipping).

I found that these pads combined with good fluid is an excellent choice.
Are you running stock rotors?
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Old 11-16-2006, 12:10 AM   #16
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I run PF97's all the way round and they work great...
How long do they usually last for you?
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Old 11-16-2006, 12:17 AM   #17
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Thanks again everyone for your input.

I'm going to give the PFC 97's a try and see how they work out. I still have many to choose from so that's good. I'm trying to get a quote on the price, hopefully it's not too high.
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Old 11-16-2006, 01:05 AM   #18
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Can't say for sure, I've only used them once, although it was for 6 30 minute sessions. No fade, worked great, seemed to have as much meat on em as when I installed them...
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Certainly any of those pads will work. But you will get the best performance out of the Pagid Yellows or PFC 01's. They are true race compounds and will not be to harsh on your rotors unlike the Hawks and some other "race" pads.

exactly! I run blues on the track and love them!! They dont eat rotors (5K track miles on the OEM rotors, 15K street miles as well), they heat up fairly quickly, have GREAT initial bite, and I've never had them fade.

I would recommend blues to anyone needing a track pad that will not eat rotors.
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Old 11-16-2006, 08:06 AM   #20
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You didn't search very hard:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=955051

That being said, I have used the Pagid Yellows and they worked well, but I will be switching to the PFC 97's for VIR this weekend.
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Pads I've used at the track:

Hawk HP+ = if you're not overheating and destroying them, you're not braking hard enough.

Ferodo DS3000 = amazing feel and stopping power, but I killed a set in less than 2 track days, making them too expensive. I think I was still overheating them (even though they didn't fade), so I might try them again, or perhaps the endurance version, after I get brake ducting. Oh, and I also really like the way they smell.

Performance Friction 97 = Not great feel, good stopping power, no fade, low wear, not too bad on rotors. They still work when cold (but are tough on rotors when cold), so you can drive to the track on them. I want to find something with similar wear but better feel.

Axxis Ultimate = Haven't driven at the track yet, but they're less agressive than the HP+ so I can't see them working.

Also, I'd really, really, really strongly suggest you get brake ducts or at least remove your dust shields. It will make a big difference in pad and rotor wear.

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Are you running stock rotors?
Yes, stock rotors. I didn't measure them before and after so I can't scientifically comment on rotor wear.
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Old 11-16-2006, 04:29 PM   #23
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Carbotech Bobcat or Panther + (Bobcats are more for street/autox)
I've run both the P+ and XP8s. I'd recommend XP8s based on your situation. I'm half-way through my fourth set, with some XP10s next in line. You won't be disappointed.

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I run PF97's all the way round and they work great...
Glad they are working out for you
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Yep, thanks for the pads, I like em!
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