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Old 11-18-2006, 05:54 PM   #1
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Default Legality of STi Limited Trunk in BSP..

I have read the new STi limited will be on the same line as the normal STi in BSP this coming year in SCCA Solo Rules. If so, through UD/BD, we can run the limited trunk. Are my assumptions correct?

...as a caveat...if the limited lip does not contain a 3rd brake light (can't remember) ...can we run a wingless trunk as well... ...I've wanted to go wingless since I bought the car but never had the chance..I assume you may have to add the 3rd light on the rear deck.

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EDIT FOR CN: Can be swapped through UD/BD. It will be on same line as standard STi (autoWRXer), no 3rd brakelight likely needed in SP, can be exact factory replica..only comes in urban grey, and white, the swap saves about 15lbs.
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Old 11-18-2006, 06:09 PM   #2
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Yes. Please pick one up for me while you're at it.
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Old 11-18-2006, 06:13 PM   #3
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My take is that UD/BD lets us swap to the LI spoiler, but that does not mean we can go completely without, since no BSP-classed model in the line comes that way.

The interior brake light is plug-and-play. I've had that part done since '03, but this is the first year we've had a legal approach to the wing itself in SP.
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Old 11-18-2006, 06:16 PM   #4
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Yes, but isn't the "Sti" technically a trim level? The car is still an impreza, and you can get one wingless. SO, you should be able to run wingless.

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Old 11-18-2006, 06:30 PM   #5
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I would imagine you can run wingless with the addition of the 3rd brake light in the rear window. I already went wingless but I'm not competitive in my auto-x class anyways. Would be nice to be legal again though.
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Old 11-18-2006, 06:36 PM   #6
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I asked Maestro Gill that question last year, and he said no. My understanding is that "trim level" is not the issue; class is.

Let's say hypothetically that the WRX had a trunk delete option. The base WRX runs ESP, not BSP, so that option would not be applicable to BSP cars. Conversely, because the LI is classed in BSP, its spoiler is a valid UD for the STi in BSP.

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Yes, but isn't the "Sti" technically a trim level? The car is still an impreza, and you can get one wingless. SO, you should be able to run wingless.

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Old 11-18-2006, 06:50 PM   #7
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I asked Maestro Gill that question last year, and he said no. My understanding is that "trim level" is not the issue; class is.

Let's say hypothetically that the WRX had a trunk delete option. The base WRX runs ESP, not BSP, so that option would not be applicable to BSP cars. Conversely, because the LI is classed in BSP, its spoiler is a valid UD for the STi in BSP.
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Old 11-18-2006, 08:10 PM   #8
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Its not just class, either. In SP, the two cars swapping parts via UD/BD must be listed on the SAME LINE in the rulebook. This means that if the ESP listing said:

Impreza WRX (2002-2004)
Impreza WRX (2005+)

you could not swap parts between an '04 and an '05 EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE BOTH IN ESP. (Its an example, I don't know what the ESP listing says). If, however, it said:

Impreza WRX (2002+)

you could swap between the '04 and '05 cars. Does this make sense?

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Old 11-18-2006, 08:46 PM   #9
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Oh man.... This stuff must have been written by engineers.

If you mean 'do I understand?', yes, absolutely. If you mean 'do I think this is reasonable?', well... I guess it's all just a bunch of guys with nothing better to do than drive around parking lots. Oi friggin' vey. Looks like I'll probably have to find some other way to waste that thousand dollars.

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Old 11-18-2006, 10:04 PM   #10
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LEGAL.....thats all I have to say...UD/BD works....and as our fearless BSP monster bought one to put on his car..(Joel)...I can safely say....DONE Deal...



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Old 11-19-2006, 01:54 AM   #11
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LEGAL.....thats all I have to say...UD/BD works....and as our fearless BSP monster bought one to put on his car..(Joel)...I can safely say....DONE Deal...



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Would this apply to STU STi's aswell?
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Old 11-19-2006, 03:58 AM   #12
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Would this apply to STU STi's aswell?
No UD/BD in ST

14.2.F. Addition of spoilers, splitters, body kits, rear wings and nonfunctional
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replicas thereof, which have no significant aerodynamic function
at Solo speeds. Body kits are limited to bumper covers, valances,
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Old 11-19-2006, 04:09 AM   #13
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I was talk to Andrew Hahn, one of my Hot Subarus team mates at the Subaru Challenge in Texas. I see no problem with the UD/BD to the Limited spoiler in in BSP. Plus, if you wanted. You could add a SP spoiler plate to it as long as it's doesn't extend no more than 10 inches from the original bodywork in any direction. I wonder it you could just then just take off the Limited spoiler and replace it with a SP legal spoiler.
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Old 11-19-2006, 01:17 PM   #14
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I think not. 15.2.B stipulates that deletion of factory trim is only allowed through UD/BD; and 15.2.H only provides for the addition of spoilers, not deletion.

Everyone's problems would be solved if the damn wing just had an OE delete option, but without that I think it's wing, LI spoiler or SM.

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Old 11-19-2006, 03:57 PM   #15
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good stuff....anyone have a replica available that we can 3m tape on yet....the factory one is rediculously overpriced and hard to come buy, not to mention it won't match a PSM car anyways.
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It's really not that expensive. Also, the shipping weight in a big box was 6 lbs.

The Limited went into AS with the regular STi as of the July Fastrack. It should have been put on the same line in BSP in that same issue, but for some reason it was not published. It will be included on the same line in BSP in 2007, so swapping the spoilers between those models will be legal next year. I don't believe the third brake light is an issue as there is nothing requiring 3rd brake lights and spoilers to be UD/BD together.
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I think not. 15.2.B stipulates that deletion of factory trim is only allowed through UD/BD; and 15.2.H only provides for the addition of spoilers, not deletion.

Everyone's problems would be solved if the damn wing just had an OE delete option, but without that I think it's wing, LI spoiler or SM.
Not if you attach a SP spoiler to the limited spoiler and use it as the base to mount a SP spoiler too as I explained too.

Plus by the way rules explain it. It's a "WING" on the regular STI and a "spoiler" on the Limited.

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Not if you attach a SP spoiler to the limited spoiler and use it as the base to mount a SP spoiler too as I explained too.

I hope you are saying this is not legal. Check Fastrack for the protest on the Botkin Camaro for that. You can add an SP legal spoiler but you can not attach it to or mod the stock wing/spoiler in any way.

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Why don't you snag one and blast us out a run of CNC foam knock-offs with your fancy software? Maybe we could all agree to paint them pink.

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good stuff....anyone have a replica available that we can 3m tape on yet....the factory one is rediculously overpriced and hard to come buy, not to mention it won't match a PSM car anyways.
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Not if you attach a SP spoiler to the limited spoiler and use it as the base to mount a SP spoiler too as I explained too.
Why would I want to do that?

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Plus by the way rules explain it. It's a "WING" on the regular STI and a "spoiler" on the Limited.
You can add a spoiler per 15.2.H. You can add, remove or swap within the limitations of UD/BD. AFAIK there's no wing allowance in SP beyond UD/BD for OE wings. If you wanted to put a "real" wing on an STi, you'd be into 16.G.L, and SM.
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Why don't you snag one and blast us out a run of CNC foam knock-offs with your fancy software? Maybe we could all agree to paint them pink.
How close to factory spec do I have to be. I may actually be able to look into this. What are my options on materials, etc..? Hmmm.....This would be a fun winter project. You don't have to paint them pink.
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Why would I want to do that?



You can add a spoiler per 15.2.H. You can add, remove or swap within the limitations of UD/BD. AFAIK there's no wing allowance in SP beyond UD/BD for OE wings. If you wanted to put a "real" wing on an STi, you'd be into 16.G.L, and SM.
yeah, your right but I am not going into the money pit class.
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I hope you are saying this is not legal. Check Fastrack for the protest on the Botkin Camaro for that. You can add an SP legal spoiler but you can not attach it to or mod the stock wing/spoiler in any way.
but wasn't his factory peice considered a wing and not a spoiler. It say a wing is one that allows air to go under it. The spoiler does not.
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but wasn't his factory peice considered a wing and not a spoiler. It say a wing is one that allows air to go under it. The spoiler does not.
Does not matter what he had... Read the Fastrack, the rules do not allow for mods to the factory part at all.
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You can add a spoiler per 15.2.H. You can add, remove or swap within the limitations of UD/BD. AFAIK there's no wing allowance in SP beyond UD/BD for OE wings. If you wanted to put a "real" wing on an STi, you'd be into 16.G.L, and SM.
You seen the red EVO at nationals with the huge aluminum wing the was high enough to be at almost roofline. That was an STU car.
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