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Old 11-21-2006, 05:12 AM   #1
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Default No U.S. models on list of safest vehicles for 2007 US IIHS

No U.S. models on list of safest vehicles for 2007 US IIHS

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Insurers required electronic stability control to be considered

DETROIT - Imported models took all 13 spots on the U.S. insurance industry’s list of safest vehicles this year, due mainly to a new requirement that all cars and sport utilities on the list have systems to keep them stable in an emergency.

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety isn’t bashful about its reasons for pushing electronic stability control, saying that its studies show up to 10,000 fatal crashes per year could be prevented if every vehicle had the safety feature.

“The research is so compelling that electronic stability control could help prevent many crashes from happening in the first place,” institute spokesman Russ Rader said.

Winners for the 2007 model year included the Audi A6 in the large car category; the Audi A-4, Saab 9-3 and Subaru Legacy (with optional stability control) for midsize cars; the Hyundai Entourage and Kia Sedona minivans; the Mercedes M-class and Volvo XC90 luxury sport utility vehicles; the Acura RDX, Honda Pilot and Subaru B9 Tribeca midsize SUVs; and the Honda CR-V and Subaru Forester small SUVs.

All 13 vehicles are tops in protecting people in front, side and rear crash tests based on institute tests during the year. Pickup trucks were not included because the institute has not yet tested their side crashworthiness.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has proposed requiring electronic stability control on all new vehicles by the 2012 model year, but institute President Adrian Lund said that’s not soon enough.

“We think that they are too slow,” Lund said. “Automakers will probably have it as standard equipment by the time the federal standards actually take full effect.”

Domestic manufacturers had no models on the list of safest vehicles because they haven’t moved quickly enough to add stability control to their models, Lund said in a telephone interview.

For instance, Ford Motor Co. would have had three cars — the Ford Freestyle crossover and the Mercury Montego and Ford 500 sedans — make the list if they had stability control, the institute said. The 500 and the Montego earned top safety picks last year.

Ford spokesman Jim Cain said all three vehicles will get stability control for the 2008 model year, with versions equipped with the safety feature on sale sometime next year. The company has not determined whether the feature will be standard or optional, he said.

“We’re moving in the same direction as the institute,” he said.

Ford has said previously that it would put stability control on its entire lineup by the end of 2009.

General Motors Corp. said nearly two years ago that it would make the technology standard in all vehicles by 2010, including all SUVs and some full-size pickups in the 2007 model year.

Toyota has said stability control would be a standard feature across all its models by 2009.

DaimlerChrysler AG said it will have the technology on 54 percent of its vehicles this model year and will meet the federal government’s timetable for the rest.

All 2007 SUVs, pickups and minivans produced by Honda Motor Co. carry the technology, while Hyundai Motor Co. said it is standard equipment on 70 percent of its 2007 vehicles.

Several other vehicles, including nine Toyota Motor Corp. models, would have made the list if they had stability control, the institute said.

No small cars made this year’s list. The Honda Civic, which won last year, was knocked off due to lack of stability control on most models. The one version that has the feature doesn’t have head restraints for rear crash protection, the institute said.

SUVs were eligible to win for the first time this year because the institute conducted side-impact tests on many models.

The institute said the overall awards will help people quickly compare vehicles without having to review results from multiple tests.


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The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety released its list of safest vehicles for the 2007 model year. This year, all winners must have electronic stability control.


LARGE CARS: Audi A-6

MIDSIZE CARS: Audi A-4, Saab 9-3, Subaru Legacy (with optional stability control)

MINIVANS: Hyundai Entourage, Kia Sedona

LUXURY SPORT UTILITIES: Mercedes M-class, Volvo XC90.

MIDSIZE SUVs: Acura RDX, Honda Pilot, Subaru B9 Tribeca

SMALL SUVs: Honda CR-V, Subaru Forester (with optional stability control)
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:21 AM   #2
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Not a big deal...Manufactures move in and out of this position all the time.
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Old 11-21-2006, 07:22 AM   #3
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Well that is good. This may compel Subaru to add VDC/VTD across the lineup.
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Old 11-21-2006, 08:09 AM   #4
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Well that is good. This may compel Subaru to add VDC/VTD across the lineup.
stability control is required on all vehicals sold in the states by 2012.
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Old 11-21-2006, 08:48 AM   #5
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heres an idea, how about just making people learn to drive an evasive maneuver. OR, I wonder how many of those 10000 accidents that could have been avoided were top heavy SUV's driven by distracted drivers...

Gosh I HATE safety nazis... because thats what they are... nazis.....They are ruining the chances of anybody in the world of getting a nice light performance car. They keep adding stuff. I think they should have to pick, what they require... you only get 4 things. Airbags, ABS, Seatbelts, and one other... pick crumple zones, pick high strength steel, but you only get one. THat way subcompacts can weigh in at less than 3000 lbs again...

Did I mention that I HATE safety nazis..

PEOPLE DO not need protecting!!!!! Let them take responsibility for their own actions!!!!!!
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Old 11-21-2006, 08:55 AM   #6
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heres an idea, how about just making people learn to drive an evasive maneuver.....Let them take responsibility for their own actions!!!!!!
I agree 100%. I'm sick of folks trying to workaround people's laziness and stupidity with technology. Make driving tests real tests and let me drive my car, not loan it to a computer while I play with the shiny buttons.
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Old 11-21-2006, 09:08 AM   #7
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heres an idea, how about just making people learn to drive an evasive maneuver. OR, I wonder how many of those 10000 accidents that could have been avoided were top heavy SUV's driven by distracted drivers...

Gosh I HATE safety nazis... because thats what they are... nazis.....They are ruining the chances of anybody in the world of getting a nice light performance car. They keep adding stuff. I think they should have to pick, what they require... you only get 4 things. Airbags, ABS, Seatbelts, and one other... pick crumple zones, pick high strength steel, but you only get one. THat way subcompacts can weigh in at less than 3000 lbs again...

Did I mention that I HATE safety nazis..

PEOPLE DO not need protecting!!!!! Let them take responsibility for their own actions!!!!!!
I agree 100%. I keep hearing overall intelligence is increasing in the US yet we need more and more technology to keep us safe.

Here's the solution in short..

1) Don't buy an SUV unless you need it and if you do, take an SUV driving course.
2) Your car should not function if your cell phone is not attached to a cradle/ hands-free or Bluetooth (like those alcohol testers for DUI offenders).

I think technology is cool but come on... do we need proximity sensors, electronic nannys, self parking (?!?!). It's getting to the point of just getting in a car and having it drive itself... OH WAIT, isn't that public transportation?

-Mike.

EDIT: ^^^ primary car has no airbags, ABS or power anything and I'm accident free for 15 years. Go figure.
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Old 11-21-2006, 11:33 AM   #8
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heres an idea, how about just making people learn to drive an evasive maneuver. OR, I wonder how many of those 10000 accidents that could have been avoided were top heavy SUV's driven by distracted drivers...

Gosh I HATE safety nazis... because thats what they are... nazis.....They are ruining the chances of anybody in the world of getting a nice light performance car. They keep adding stuff. I think they should have to pick, what they require... you only get 4 things. Airbags, ABS, Seatbelts, and one other... pick crumple zones, pick high strength steel, but you only get one. THat way subcompacts can weigh in at less than 3000 lbs again...

Did I mention that I HATE safety nazis..

PEOPLE DO not need protecting!!!!! Let them take responsibility for their own actions!!!!!!
Dude, safety net is not just for driver and occupants. How about some consideration for others on the road
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How about them. If I drive my car in a intelligent manner, obey local laws and keep my eyes on the road, I should be good. I do not need the government trying to make my car safer for me. I should be responsible for my driving. I should be liable for driving mistakes I make. If neither myself nor my vehicle cannot react in time to avoid a sudden hazard, then 1 if not 2 things is true. One, I was driving too close or too fast to avoid the accident, or Two, the accident was unavoidable to begin with.

Safe driving is the responsibility of every driver. Its not the governments job to regulate the way cars drive to make up for my negligence.

If everybody felt that way, then these baby sitting nanny safety nazis would be out of work and lawyers would need to find other people to sue.

Its time for Americans to Cowboy the hell up and start taking responsibility for their own actions
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Old 11-21-2006, 12:18 PM   #10
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Dude, safety net is not just for driver and occupants. How about some consideration for others on the road
Tell that to the guy who just bought an H2 so he can "win" if he gets into an accident with a sedan.
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Old 11-21-2006, 12:25 PM   #11
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wow good to see subaru in many of the categories.

now wheres that tread about subaru's safety lacks compared to volvo.
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How about them. If I drive my car in a intelligent manner, obey local laws and keep my eyes on the road, I should be good. I do not need the government trying to make my car safer for me. I should be responsible for my driving. I should be liable for driving mistakes I make. If neither myself nor my vehicle cannot react in time to avoid a sudden hazard, then 1 if not 2 things is true. One, I was driving too close or too fast to avoid the accident, or Two, the accident was unavoidable to begin with.

Safe driving is the responsibility of every driver. Its not the governments job to regulate the way cars drive to make up for my negligence.

If everybody felt that way, then these baby sitting nanny safety nazis would be out of work and lawyers would need to find other people to sue.

Its time for Americans to Cowboy the hell up and start taking responsibility for their own actions
Why do you think we have laws in the first place? If everyone in this country is prudent in their judgment at all times and own responsibility to everything and anything they do, you don't need laws. You are living in a society and laws are made protect vast majority of population. If you don't like automotive safety laws, build your own car and take it track and knock yourself out. who cares... I am sure every law has upset a section of society, that doesn't necessarily mean it is bad for general good.
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Old 11-21-2006, 01:32 PM   #13
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This thread could easily get out of hand and turn political...so we will have to be cautious. I never said do away with laws.

Laws have their places. One place is to protect people from other people whose judgement is not, shall we say mainstream or unimpared (whether by alcohol or just stupidity).

Rules are put in place to manage disputes between two different parties.

I dont need some 3rd party telling me I NEED to pay for Electronic Stability Control in my next car, because THEIR STATISTICIANS believe that it could have prevented 10000 or so accidents. Who are they really trying to protect?

If you guessed insurance companies, you'd be right. Insurance companies are not in existance to help people or save lives...they are in the business to MAKE MONEY... If they can get the government (through lobbyists) to mandate cars to have ESC, then it saves the insurance companies money...Safety lobbys have strong connections with insurance companies...Basically they will do anything to get out paying more claims...

What my problem is that I HAVE TO PAY for all these mandatory safety enhancements that I did not ask for that make my car cost more to buy, more to fix, and weigh more. This added weigh due to "safety" makes cars perform worse, and get worse gas mileage and decrease my enjoyment of driving. The worst part is they end up just making more money for the insurance companies who get to juggle the statistics more to see what is the next big thing they can strap on to cars so they wont have to pay out any more claims on.

If I am in my car and an SUV performs a manuver and the driver loses control and hits me, assuming I live, what happens? Her insurance company has to pay to fix me and my car. THey dont want to do that, so they convince the safety nazis that ESC can save lives and that its better for the "general good"
and BLAMM-O, every car has to have it by 2012. So who is the big winner here. Let think about this...

If I lose control and wreck my car, Its my fault, My insurance pays
If I lose control and wreck somebody elses car, its may fault and my insurance pays
If somebody else loses control and wrecks their car against me, their insurance pays

Insurance companies do not want to pay these premiums, so any scheme they can think of to get out of it is great. Imagine they can propose all these fixes that the customer has to buy, that does not cost them a penny, and saves them money...

Sounds like a sweet position to be in.

If they want to do this, then make all these safety add ons an option. If I want ABS I can get it, if not, then I dont want to pay for it. That will never happen, so I will just have to keep dreaming....
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