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Old 11-22-2006, 09:25 PM   #26
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huge and ugly, go america
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Old 11-22-2006, 10:32 PM   #27
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Old 11-23-2006, 12:08 AM   #28
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While I think most poeple on this forum would never actually buy a Camry - atleast not willingly - I do agree that it is the "Car of the Year" simply because the Camry line has been either the #1 or #2 selling car for years and years now. Even a small update to a car that sells that well is a big deal, but Toyota went above and beyond with this car. For it's class it definitely looks good, handles decently, accelerates quite well, and has fantastic fuel economy and overall quality.

The Camry is the ultimate appliance.

(but if you are actually into cars, you will find it, and most other Toyotas, totaly boring cars)
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Old 11-23-2006, 01:12 AM   #29
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The new camry's look awesome in the SE v6 sports trim. very stylish, I mean the lines are just smooth and quality is just top notch. see one in person
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Old 11-23-2006, 03:41 PM   #30
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i think the styling on these new cars are ugly ugly! I didn't really care for the looks of the previous model either, but it was at least better than this big, ugly boat
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Old 11-23-2006, 05:56 PM   #31
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I own a 2005 Legacy GT and the Camry does have better fit and finish then the pathetic interior of my car.

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Last I checked the 2007 WRX was not a 2.0L. Please don't go comparing a 2002 vehicle with a 2007 vehicle. I still run v6performance.net and used to have a V6 accord..... I'd never go back to one either. Call me crazy but I enjoy torque. If you're going to compare two vehicles go drive an 07 WRX, then go drive an 07 Camry. Or better yet, go drive a Legacy GT and tell me the Camry has a better fit and finish
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Old 11-23-2006, 06:24 PM   #32
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I own a 2005 Legacy GT and the Camry does have better fit and finish then the pathetic interior of my car.
I don't know why your car is the way it is or what you may have done to it... but no the camry does not best the legacy in interior fit and finish. There are many many cost cutting measures and fit and finishes short comings in the Camry when compared to the Legacy. The Camry uses cheaper plastics, fabrics, less textures, less styling, and wider fitments.
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Old 11-23-2006, 07:37 PM   #33
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LOL how touchy are the Camry and Accord V6! Performance car eh? No wonder a lot of them challenged my old rex. Of course I give them half the look and got away from them while yawning. Camry are more like boat mobile appliances, spoiler and wheels only make them look silly and slower.
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Old 11-23-2006, 09:30 PM   #34
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Old 11-23-2006, 09:39 PM   #35
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I don't know why your car is the way it is or what you may have done to it... but no the camry does not best the legacy in interior fit and finish.
Indeed, from his past comments it sounds like Eyeflyistheeye got a lemon as far as the interior is concerned. Both my 2006 Legacy GT and 2006 Outback VDC have wonderful interiors. The only thing wrong with the Legacy after one year is an occasional rattle from the driver side A pillar.
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Old 11-23-2006, 10:03 PM   #36
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Wow, alot of complaints about a decent family sedan.

The rear seat legroom compared to the legroom of the Legacy makes the legacy look like a subcompact.

The interior definitely looks decent in terms of styling.

And the thing pulls like 99mph in the 1/4 mile. Which as others have mentioned, is pretty damn good.

So, if you had $24k and needed to get a FAMILY SEDAN, show me a better all around vehicle. (yes, you can get the v6 in a low optioned camry for ~$24).

Oh, and it gets 22/31 mpg
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Old 11-23-2006, 10:19 PM   #37
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^^ Exactly.

We are talking about plain-jane FAMILY SEDANS here. Not sports cars. Hell, not even sporty cars. So in it's car segment, the Camry does a great job.... now if I was forced to pick a family sedan, I would lean toward the Accord, simply because it is just as well made and just as efficient, but for it's class is a much more of a "driver's car."
I would also atleast look at the Saturn Aura - which was also in the running for the CotY award. The Aura is easily the "coolest" looking car in that segment in my opinion, and from some of the reviews I have read, it too is more of a "driver's car" when you get the bigger engine.
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Old 11-24-2006, 08:42 AM   #38
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LOL how touchy are the Camry and Accord V6! Performance car eh? No wonder a lot of them challenged my old rex. Of course I give them half the look and got away from them while yawning. Camry are more like boat mobile appliances, spoiler and wheels only make them look silly and slower.
I drove the 2002 WRX with the full intention of buying it on the spot. I had waited for a couple of years to buy a car becuase I had heard that Subaru and Mistubishi were finally going to bring these cars to the states. Went I went to the dealer I was so disappointed with the performance I walked away in total disbelief that the car was capable of those impressive quarter mile and 0 to 60 times. It felt heavy and the turbo lag was intolerable. I ended up buying an XT a year later which offered much better acceleration. Unless your 2002 WRX is modified, you aren't yawning next to the 268 HP 6 speed Camry.
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Old 11-24-2006, 11:02 AM   #39
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I drove the 2002 WRX with the full intention of buying it on the spot. I had waited for a couple of years to buy a car becuase I had heard that Subaru and Mistubishi were finally going to bring these cars to the states. Went I went to the dealer I was so disappointed with the performance I walked away in total disbelief that the car was capable of those impressive quarter mile and 0 to 60 times. It felt heavy and the turbo lag was intolerable. I ended up buying an XT a year later which offered much better acceleration. Unless your 2002 WRX is modified, you aren't yawning next to the 268 HP 6 speed Camry.

Was it an automatic?
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Old 11-24-2006, 12:06 PM   #40
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Camry is a worldwide car now, and is doing very well.
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Old 11-24-2006, 12:11 PM   #41
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I never know what to expect from them. Sometimes their influence from Ford is so pronounced it hurts. Likely a good pick this year.
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Old 11-24-2006, 12:15 PM   #42
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Old 11-24-2006, 09:21 PM   #43
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I drove a 4cyl new camry (pool car FTW) and it was a pretty nice ride. The interior is really nice and the car handled pretty good for a family hauler.

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Old 11-26-2006, 09:27 PM   #44
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Last I checked the 2007 WRX was not a 2.0L. Please don't go comparing a 2002 vehicle with a 2007 vehicle. I still run v6performance.net and used to have a V6 accord..... I'd never go back to one either. Call me crazy but I enjoy torque. If you're going to compare two vehicles go drive an 07 WRX, then go drive an 07 Camry. Or better yet, go drive a Legacy GT and tell me the Camry has a better fit and finish
Throw an 06+ WRX on the highway next to a new V6 camry or accord. Same result.

The 06 traps about 94-96, still short of most of those V6 "family" sedans, or at least equal.

Who said anything about fit and finish. I was tellign you your performance claims are totally off base.
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Old 11-26-2006, 09:37 PM   #45
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The WRX is both the cause (or one of the causes at least) and a victim of the horse power war that is going on now.

Look back just to 2002 and the WRX's 227HP was not quite unheard of, but most definitely above and beyond what most cars in that size and price range had. Fast forward just 4 years and 200+ horsepower is nothing in a family sedan, let alone a car with performance aspirations.

Just a couple of years ago a 6.x second 0-60 time was considered quite impressive - now full-size family sedans like the Avalon make 280hp, go 0-60 in 6-flat and get an impressive EPA of 30mpg highway.
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Old 11-26-2006, 10:17 PM   #46
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0 to 60 in 6 seconds comes pretty close. Definitely better than an automatic WRX. I drove the 2 litre WRX and thought it was a joke. I got out of it thinking "you must have to launch this thing at 6000 rpms to get a sub 6 seconds zero to 60". Those 5.5 0 to 60 times on stock WRX's? Forget about it. Not going to happen unless you have a warhehouse of spare transmissions LOL.The Camry is a an awesome sleeper: You don't have to worry about people thinking you're a scrawny high school kid! Boring >Ugly
Can't let this pass 'cause your talking about my ride (2002 WRX completly stock except dealer installed short throw shifter). I had over 100,000 miles on this car. Regular maintenance only. The same clutch and tranny have been smoking V6 family sedans all over Jersey since '02. One defeated BMW owner actually asked me if AWD in my rear window was Subaru's equivelant to Mercedes' AMG. No ****.

BTW, there was no automatic for the 2.0 liter WRX. At least not in 2002.

I traded the car for a 2007 WRX TR. I miss my dinner plate sized fog lights, short throw shifter, odd looks, and the personality of the old car (really fun to drive). I get over it every time I plant my foot into .5 liters more power and teach BMW 3 series owners they aren't the ultimate anything.
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Old 11-26-2006, 10:25 PM   #47
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The WRX is both the cause (or one of the causes at least) and a victim of the horse power war that is going on now.

Look back just to 2002 and the WRX's 227HP was not quite unheard of, but most definitely above and beyond what most cars in that size and price range had. Fast forward just 4 years and 200+ horsepower is nothing in a family sedan, let alone a car with performance aspirations.

Just a couple of years ago a 6.x second 0-60 time was considered quite impressive - now full-size family sedans like the Avalon make 280hp, go 0-60 in 6-flat and get an impressive EPA of 30mpg highway.
Very true. In no way am I saying a WRX (any year) is slow, clearly in the big picture, its a very good performer to say the least. We aren't talking about the 4-cyl. auto verisons of the sedans here, we are talking about the 6's with a manual, cars themselves designed to add performance into a sedate sedams handling.

IMHO:

Give it enough power to be fun, and the handling, size, and style will seperate the "sport(y,s) cars" from the "family cars".

I don't think we can expect the next standard WRX to have 300 HP, and given its AWD, thats what it will need to give it the edge against modern V6 sedans.

But thats not Subaru's target. For the economy based car it is, it has very strong performance at its price point and is rewarding to drive. If it was about straight line acceleration, more Mustangs would be out on the road, and the Camaro would still be around.

Lets not forget the 2002 Automobile Magazine "Car of the Year"
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Old 11-26-2006, 10:28 PM   #48
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BTW, there was no automatic for the 2.0 liter WRX. At least not in 2002.

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Like much of what you posted, ^^^ is incorrect.

There most certainly are 2002 auto WRX's. Not sure where you got that idea.

(And again, if you think your 170 whp 02 WRX can outrun oh, say a 200 whp BMW 330, get a clue)
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Old 11-26-2006, 10:39 PM   #49
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Very capable and quite an achievement--but as 'bout as sexy as buying a toaster.
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