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Old 11-24-2006, 02:38 PM   #1
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US consumer poll indicates desire for higher fuel-efficiency standards
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A “strong and bipartisan” 78% of Americans want Washington to impose a 40 mpg fuel-efficiency standard for American vehicles, according to a new Opinion Research Corporation (ORC) national opinion survey released on November 21 by the non-profit and self-proclaimed non-partisan Civil Society Institute (CSI).

A “strong and bipartisan” 78% of Americans want Washington to impose a 40 mpg fuel-efficiency standard for American vehicles, according to a new Opinion Research Corporation (ORC) national opinion survey released on November 21 by the non-profit and self-proclaimedly non-partisan Civil Society Institute (CSI).

Other key findings of the ORC survey include:

- Nine out of 10 Americans expect gas prices to go up "in the near future," with 46% "definitely" expecting a resumption of higher fuel prices.

- 70% of Americans are not turning their back on fuel-efficiency concerns and say that they are factoring "expected future gasoline price increases into consideration in thinking about buying a new vehicle."

- Temporarily lower gasoline prices are not sending large numbers of Americans rushing back to ‘gas-guzzling’ SUV and trucks. In fact, 45% of Americans are now more likely to buy a "hybrid or other fuel-efficient vehicle" than they were six months ago, compared to 30% who are unchanged in their plans and 24% who are less likely to make such a purchase.

- Most Americans think Detroit is to blame for its current woes. Respondents were asked: "Do you agree or disagree that U.S. automakers have generally been blind to U.S. consumer needs and tastes by focusing so heavily on fuel-inefficient SUVs and trucks while European and Japanese automakers have focused their efforts on vehicle design and/or improved fuel efficiency?" 76% agreed with the statement, compared to 22% who disagreed.

- White House pressure for Detroit to take up such innovations reducing "energy consumption and related global-warming pollution" is backed by 85% of Americans, including 58% who would strongly support such pressure by President Bush.

- Most Americans think "President Bush and Congress could help U.S. automakers be more competitive by increasing the federal fuel-efficiency standard to 40 miles per gallon." Such a move is supported by 78% of Americans, including 45% who back it strongly.

- Most Americans agree that "President Bush and Congress should provide incentives -- such as helping to lower health care costs for autoworkers -- in exchange for increased investments by Detroit car makers in fuel-efficient technologies to reduce energy consumption and related global-warming pollution." Two thirds of Americans support this step, compared to less than a third (31%) opposing.

- When respondents were asked: "Would you say that U.S. or Japanese automakers are in the lead when it comes to hybrid technology and other more highly fuel-efficient technologies to reduce energy consumption and related global-warming pollution?" Half said Japan was in the lead, compared to only 6% who put the U.S. in the pole position. Slightly more than a third (36 percent) see the U.S. and Japan as being roughly neck and neck.

- Almost all Americans want Detroit to start selling here at home the more fuel-efficient vehicles that they make or sell overseas – but not in the U.S. The survey notes that "American automakers produce or sell dozens of car models that achieve over 35 mpg but are not made available to consumers here in the United States. Do you think Detroit carmakers should be encouraged to make available here at home the more fuel-efficient cars they are currently only selling abroad?" 90% of respondents said "yes," including 60% who said "definitely yes."

Results were based on telephone interviews with a sample of 1,016 adults (509 men and 507 women) age 18 and over, living in private households, in the continental United States. during the period November 9-12.

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Old 11-24-2006, 03:03 PM   #2
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Good... but I don't believe it for even one second.

Oh, and the whole 40mpg thing is just a pipe-dream... at least for now. You can't go from crawling to full-on running just like that!
The EPA needs to raise it's CAFE a couple of percentage points each year.... something that it hasn't done for over 2 decades, which is one of the reasons that with all the advancement in technology, the average MPG of US vehicles hasn't gone up since the 70's!

Will this put a damper on some performance vehicles and on large SUVs? Yup, sure will - but that is the price we must all pay since the Average Joe Schmoe can't figure out that he doesn't need a 300+hp 6000lb SUV that gets +/-10 mpg to commute to work.
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Old 11-24-2006, 03:13 PM   #3
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Americans are great at demanding things we don't want to actually pay for.

"I want lower taxes/I want my pet projects"
"I want safer cars/I want to pay less for cars"
"I want SUVs/I hate paying for gas"
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Old 11-24-2006, 03:16 PM   #4
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Even if you can get the average MPG up to 40, OPEC will just raise fuel prices to compensate.
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Old 11-24-2006, 03:24 PM   #5
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Old 11-24-2006, 03:30 PM   #6
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Even if you can get the average MPG up to 40, OPEC will just raise fuel prices to compensate.
If we could reduce out dependence on foreign oil, we could simply say "F U OPEC!"

OK, I know that that is not gonna happen, but cutting even 10% of the amount of oil that we import would give OPEC a world of hurt.

It is becoming an issue of national security the amount of products that we import into the US - and oil is one of the biggest contributors to the import deficit.
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Old 11-24-2006, 03:31 PM   #7
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Old 11-24-2006, 03:34 PM   #8
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If we could reduce out dependence on foreign oil, we could simply say "F U OPEC!"

OK, I know that that is not gonna happen, but cutting even 10% of the amount of oil that we import would give OPEC a world of hurt.

It is becoming an issue of national security the amount of products that we import into the US - and oil is one of the biggest contributors to the import deficit.
I read once that the 4 biggest natural resources in the world in order are

1. Air
2. Water
3. Oil
4. Rubber

I can't remember the rest.


We could stop importing 10% and hurt OPEC but it would hurt us even more. Besides OPEC would just raise the price again to compensate.

Oil is America's CRACK.
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Old 11-24-2006, 03:40 PM   #9
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I thought New Jersey was America's crack... or was that armpit
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Old 11-24-2006, 03:42 PM   #10
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3/4 of all rubber comes from Petroleum now anyways. Oil is indispenseble in the US...think about all the plastics you use, refined metal, polymers. I can't look around and see anything that oil didn't give rise to in some fashion.

We are screwed.
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Old 11-24-2006, 04:03 PM   #11
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I read once that the 4 biggest natural resources in the world in order are

1. Air
2. Water
3. Oil
4. Rubber

I can't remember the rest.


We could stop importing 10% and hurt OPEC but it would hurt us even more. Besides OPEC would just raise the price again to compensate.

Oil is America's CRACK.
OPEC can control the cost of it's own oil, but if you are importing less of it, that means that it's price hikes would effect the US less also. And it is all supply and demand (to a point) - if OPEC saw a decrease in it's demand, it would also see a big decrease in it's income.

No matter what, wasting less $ on oil is good economic and political sense... there are just too many selfish douchbags in this country that think that just because it is available, they should be allowed to waste as much of it as possible.
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Old 11-24-2006, 04:47 PM   #12
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Interesting enough the results have at least some cooroboration. Since I first saw the AutoBlog poll, the results were tied with a few hundred votes, now at about 1500 votes they're 57%-43%. It's a decisive enough split.
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Old 11-24-2006, 04:50 PM   #13
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Bio-Diesel motorcycles FTMFW!!!!!!

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Old 11-24-2006, 05:12 PM   #14
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Ironically someone is coming out with a diesel motorcycle of the U.S. I believe. Could be damn interesting.
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Old 11-24-2006, 05:24 PM   #15
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Old 11-24-2006, 05:31 PM   #16
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[More liberal clap trap distorting truth. I would like to see the methodology of that study. ie would you like your car to get 40mpg? ...of course but realistically the weight reduction would be prohibitively expensive and lack of power would be unsafe (at any speed!)
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I agree with those stats and I believe 40 mpg is not as hard to achieve as some might think. Bigger vehicles would need diesels and smaller ones could use small 4 cylinder engines.

Alot of people buy more car than they need. I've been looking at trucks and I might get a Toyota Tacoma 4 cylinder manual. It meets the towing requirements I need but gets 27 mpg on the highway. I don't have to go get a big V8 truck to tow only 3500lbs. Now if it only came with a diesel
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I agree with those stats and I believe 40 mpg is not as hard to achieve as some might think. Bigger vehicles would need diesels and smaller ones could use small 4 cylinder engines.

Alot of people buy more car than they need. I've been looking at trucks and I might get a Toyota Tacoma 4 cylinder manual. It meets the towing requirements I need but gets 27 mpg on the highway. I don't have to go get a big V8 truck to tow only 3500lbs. Now if it only came with a diesel

I'm willing to bet that about 80% of people who buy a v8 tacoma dont give a damn about it's towing capacity, they just can't be bothered with a 4 or 6 cylinder truck. They want to say "i got a big ol v8, hell yeah i do"
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ie would you like your car to get 40mpg? ...of course but realistically the weight reduction would be prohibitively expensive and lack of power would be unsafe (at any speed!)
and intolerable
You've never been to Japan have you?
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You've never been to Japan have you?
He was saying that part as a joke. Hence the different color and disclaimer.

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I'm willing to bet that about 80% of people who buy a v8 tacoma dont give a damn about it's towing capacity, they just can't be bothered with a 4 or 6 cylinder truck. They want to say "i got a big ol v8, hell yeah i do"
You are probably right, but I am a cheap ass. That and I don't like the power delivery of a V8 either. Large torque drop-off after 4000 rpms? No thanks.
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He was saying that part as a joke. Hence the different color and disclaimer.


Yes, because that was sooo obvious back at you
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If this were true ppl would put there money where thier opinion is but apparently pickups, suvs and crossovers fly off the lot in greater volume than Fits, Yaris, and Prius do, by a wide margin.

That said if someone comes out with a hybrid diesel or gas Suburban that gets 40 MPG than they better build'em fast.

The point being gas mileage is not as high a priority as things like status symbol, ppl hauling space, cargo capacity and towing capacity. SUV's surplant minivans becuase ppl dont want to be seen in a minivan despite better gas mileage and better safety and passenger room and cargo space.

Status is still No. 1 priority for most car consumers. This goes for the prius too. Sales were slow until they became trendy and hip and now Toyota can't (or won't) build them fast enough.
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Sales were slow until they became trendy and hip and now Toyota can't (or won't) build them fast enough.

Not quite, there my friend, the quickly forgotten 1st-gen Prius didn't offer quite the fuel economy advantage nor the size that the 2nd-gen prius offered. When the 2nd-gen Prius hit, it started flying off the dealer lots - and even more so when gas prices started to jump.

While I do agree that too many people are egomaniacs when it comes to status and crap like that, the popularity of the Prius is not a good example - it simply is a great car, built at Toyota standards and is sized right near the #1 selling Camry and offers very good mileage.

Build a GOOD small car, and Americans will buy it - just don't try feeding us crap like the small cars that Detroit has been churning out for decades now and think that we are going to rush out and buy them.
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I'm willing to bet that about 80% of people who buy a v8 tacoma dont give a damn about it's towing capacity, they just can't be bothered with a 4 or 6 cylinder truck. They want to say "i got a big ol v8, hell yeah i do"
Yes, 5 foot 1 ladies don't really need a V8 Sequoia but one almost rammed me down the other day. And most of their drivers are of similar description. Guess they have to compensate
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Thanks thinktank for thinking for me.. I'm too stupid to buy an economy car for the weekday and race car for the weekend. I need the goverment to mandate what cars I can and cannot buy. Lets ban all performance cars.. in fact maybe the goverment should just build one type of car and that would remove any decision making on my part.
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