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Old 11-26-2006, 03:13 PM   #1
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OMGHi2U So what do you think?

What makes a good driver??

I had a discussion last night with a friend over msn messenger. The topic came up with what is a good driver. How are they described as one? I asked Sam (shortfuse) last night when he came over. But would like to know what everyone else thinks.


The reason for the conversation coming up is because my friend wants to get a roll cage for his 94 Integra LS. To increase rigity of the vehicle and safety which is fine and dandy but I laughed because the only mod it has is a cat back, so it seemed a little over the top but eh.. Anyways, by having it it could help you chances in being retrieved from the vehicle after a crash. Which in fact is true. However, he than brought up the topic because even good drivers can be in a accident when a bad senario happens. Which is where he brought a friend up. Our friend crashed on the glenn highway because he fell alseep at the wheel with another person in his car and hit 2 others while totalling his vehicle. I'm sorry but to me that shows a bad driver. By not taking proper precautions and understanding that you getting tired shows to me a bad driver and irrisponsibility. I have taken long drives before in the wrx and when I get tired I pull over and take a nap. OR have someone else take the wheel.

Now my friend with the Integ. begs to differ. He has been in various accidents (about 2 hits) and various crashes requiring repair. He feels that by being in constant accidents a person than gains experience and has the knowledge and ability to know what to do when a similar situation than approaches once again. So by crashing he learned of what went wrong and thus learns for future times. However, he consistantly crashes still so it shows me nothing.


My view is that in order to be a good driver. You must take proper precautions and have constant practicing. You must know the limitations of your vehicle and how far you can push things. I will never consider myself a good driver even though I have never been in a accident with any people on the road. I ran into a couple ditches with the civic and bumped a guard rail. But ever sense I got the wrx and have 3 times the power to be wreckless I have yet once to ever crash in it or even hit a snow bank. I had taken driving classes for 1 week with a private instructor, when I was 14yrs old, in order to know more about driving and proper technique. Thus knowing more than a average driver trying to teach themselves would know. I feel that by practicing in empty locations helps someone. For instance skid/slid training. Going into a parking lot and than cause the car to lose control. Thus teaching yourself how to recover the vehicle safetly in the most minimal amount of time.

A good driver to me knows how to be safe and when things start feeling uncomfortable to slow things down until a point is infact comfortable to them. When drifting a corner you can't go in at 65+ mph and just expect to takle it perfectly. You must go slow and go faster each time adjusting to how to take the turn effectively. Anyways, that's my thoughts. What are yours exactly?


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Old 11-26-2006, 03:41 PM   #2
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A good driver is a professional driver i:e: nascar, F1, etc. Everyone else is a normal driver who makes mistakes. not that the professional drivers makes mistakes but you catch my drift
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Old 11-26-2006, 03:45 PM   #3
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Ya but thats to broad of a view. I wanna know what makes you think their good?
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Old 11-26-2006, 04:20 PM   #4
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no ones a good driver...some are just cautious and careful, but at any given moment something could happen, whether it's there fault or the others. sure some people have never got in a accident in there life, but that doesnt make them a good driver, it makes them cautious and careful, and aware of there surroundings. I dunno what makes a good driver honestly but that just my opinion
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Old 11-26-2006, 05:45 PM   #5
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no roll cage.......for him yet
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Old 11-26-2006, 05:53 PM   #6
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Everybody thinks they are a good driver.

The two worst insults you can tell a person is:

1. You are a bad driver
2. You are terrible in bed
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Old 11-26-2006, 08:45 PM   #7
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Being ready to adapt to a driving situation that you may encounter and learning how to control.

I am a lucky driver.
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Old 11-26-2006, 10:30 PM   #8
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is your friend with the Integra getting harnesses too? I read somewhere that driving with a caged car w/o a harness is as bad as doing the opposite, that they're designed to work together, just how normal seatbelts and airbags work together with non-reenforced cars.
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Old 11-26-2006, 10:50 PM   #9
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Everybody thinks they are a good driver.

The two worst insults you can tell a person is:

1. You are a bad driver
2. You are terrible in bed
TAKE THAT BACK!!!

Oh, you were just making a point
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Old 11-26-2006, 11:01 PM   #10
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a good driver is a smart driver, and a smart driver does not drive, cuz too many dumba$$ driver out on the road...
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Old 11-26-2006, 11:16 PM   #11
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Being ready to adapt to a driving situation that you may encounter and learning how to control....
I agree with this. The most important thing (besides raw skill and experience) is, IMO, poise. When a tense situation arises, to maintain focus and keep doing what you can to control the vehicle until the situation is resolved, or you absolutely have no control inputs left.

Just like we are taught dealing with an engine failure in a single engine airplane- you might have to land in rough country, and you may be pretty sure someone is going to get hurt, but you can still make a big difference by not stalling and dropping it in from 300 ft, and by picking a relatively 'softer' place to auger in. You just have to focus and leave the panic, terror, cussing, and screaming until afterward.
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Old 11-26-2006, 11:44 PM   #12
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Good drivers are drivers that are defensive and know the limits.
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Old 11-27-2006, 12:53 AM   #13
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yes i think knowing the limits is a good trait but being totally defensive imo can lead to accidents i think, you need a bit of both ,offensive and defensive skills to make a good driver, but again this is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt, but thats the way i drive so

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Old 11-27-2006, 03:54 AM   #14
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You are all wrong!

I am not going to tell you what makes a great driver... but I will offer you spots at my awesome driver training class... Nasioc special price of $229 per driver.
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Old 11-27-2006, 03:58 AM   #15
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Good drivers are drivers that are defensive and know the limits.
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Old 11-27-2006, 07:54 AM   #16
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IMO a good driver is someone that doesnt push the limits on public roads and someone who is always expecting and ready for the people around them to either **** up or do something really stupid.
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Old 11-27-2006, 12:14 PM   #17
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A good driver is one who learns by experience and remembers all he/she sees or does out there on the road. A good driver is cautious and defensive on the road, patient and calm. A good driver is one that can keep a cool head in any situation. A good driver does not need a roll cage in their 18+ second car to be safe on the road.

A good driver always remembers what its like to drive in the winter.
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Old 11-27-2006, 06:54 PM   #18
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Good drivers are those that know their limits, know the CARS limits, and can use both fully with reservation. a good driver is never complacent in their driving, but they are comfortable with the car and attentive to their surroundings. They also will as mentioned remain cool when something happens. Be it a "professional" driver (using term lightly, for personal opinion reasons) or one of "us" normal auto enthusiasts, things can and have gone wrong. A "good driver" will instinctly asses the situation and find a relatively quick yet safe way (for others and themself) of rectifying the situation, where as a mediocre or "typical" sheeple driver will use basic instinct of slam on the brakes.. many times exasperating the situation and putting others in danger.

To steal a line from Audiworld, the most important mod you can do, is to yourself. Schooling, drivers school, etc all improve you and your brain, helping you make use (or in some cases NOT use) other mods that have been done based on the conditions.

A roll cage in a street only integra for safety is about as useful as a brushguard and winch on a el camino. might look cool, but really serves NO purpose.
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Old 11-27-2006, 07:03 PM   #19
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A roll cage in a street only integra for safety is about as useful as a brushguard and winch on a el camino. might look cool, but really serves NO purpose.
hahahahaha! well put!
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Old 11-27-2006, 07:51 PM   #20
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Good drivers are those that know their limits, know the CARS limits, and can use both fully with reservation. a good driver is never complacent in their driving, but they are comfortable with the car and attentive to their surroundings. They also will as mentioned remain cool when something happens. Be it a "professional" driver (using term lightly, for personal opinion reasons) or one of "us" normal auto enthusiasts, things can and have gone wrong. A "good driver" will instinctly asses the situation and find a relatively quick yet safe way (for others and themself) of rectifying the situation, where as a mediocre or "typical" sheeple driver will use basic instinct of slam on the brakes.. many times exasperating the situation and putting others in danger.
I think that adaptability is the most important part of being a good driver. With few cars around in perfect weather it is quite easy to drive safely. But it is when things change from that ideal condition that driving skill shines through. I have had many cases when I have had to quickly react to what happens in front of me to avoid a freak accident waiting to happen. This is especially important on interstates in the Midwest and big interchanges when people are merging from every direction possible (not necessarily the case in Alaska).

While being lawful and courteous are good traits to have, one cannot expect everyone else to be like that, so a "good" driver must be able to come out of as many situations as possible with the best possible outcome. This means being able to react to troublesome situations and get out of trouble.

Oh, winter driving is must. I am amazed every year at people who forget how to drive or wait to get their winter or all seasons BEFORE it snows.
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Old 11-27-2006, 08:15 PM   #21
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I think that adaptability is the most important part of being a good driver. With few cars around in perfect weather it is quite easy to drive safely. But it is when things change from that ideal condition that driving skill shines through. I have had many cases when I have had to quickly react to what happens in front of me to avoid a freak accident waiting to happen. This is especially important on interstates in the Midwest and big interchanges when people are merging from every direction possible (not necessarily the case in Alaska).

While being lawful and courteous are good traits to have, one cannot expect everyone else to be like that, so a "good" driver must be able to come out of as many situations as possible with the best possible outcome. This means being able to react to troublesome situations and get out of trouble.

Oh, winter driving is must. I am amazed every year at people who forget how to drive or wait to get their winter or all seasons BEFORE it snows.

Yup thats pretty much how I roll.
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Old 11-27-2006, 10:29 PM   #22
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i am da b3st driver ev4r....

lets see...hit 2 guardrails...3 moose...3 parked cars, 2 moving cars...one building...several medians...1 telephone pole...couple fences...and been stuck more times than i can count...

no more car-tag i guess.

growning up in small town ak, what an adventure...


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Old 11-27-2006, 10:54 PM   #23
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Had a neon a while back (7 years) that I bought at toyota. After signing the final paperwork I scraped the back of a white Lexus. Being a dumbass I looked around the see if anyone saw and jetted the hell out.

The Lexus had a big blue tattoo on its ass tho I had no visable scars.

The first of many many crashes with the POS. It's still on the road somewhere...
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Old 11-27-2006, 10:58 PM   #24
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a good driver is a defensive driver.
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Old 11-27-2006, 11:24 PM   #25
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a good driver is someone who lets someone else drive
but um if that unacceptable then id say its a defensive driver
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