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Old 11-27-2006, 04:54 PM   #1
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Default '04 WRX wagon to sedan fender conversion

Hey everyone,
Before everyone yells at me, yes, I searched and searched, and never found an answer to this...

I want to run 275 tires on my wagon, so I want to convert to the sedan fenders. now, the front is pretty straightforward, just fenders and liners basically... the rear is more complicated. From my searches I've gathered that the rear doors must be replaced with sedan doors, and it wil need a new bumper. Not complicated, the hard part is the rear quarter panel. I have not been able to find a proceedure for modifying this, so could someone please tell me if I'm on the right track. What I want to do is cut my quarter panel, basically in line with the door handles (a little lower might be easier to miss the crease), from the edge nearest the door back to the tail lights, and get an great aluminum welder to cut the sedan quarter panel in the same location, and then graft it back onto my wagon's existing quarter panels... then voila! widebody wagon... I hope. If i'm wrong and there's an easier way, or more to it, I'd appreciate any advice.

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Old 11-27-2006, 05:13 PM   #2
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I have only seen this done once, and I have to admit, it looks better than a sedan could ever look i.m.o. From what I've been told, you need to also increase your front and rear track by 20mm (I think), so that the wheels look nice and flush. It requires lots of body work for the rear section, probably lots of money, but if you are serious, then it would definitely be worth it in the end.
These are the only ones I could find with the full wide-body, enjoy




I really wonder why subaru didn't offer this body style to begin with.....
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Old 11-27-2006, 05:24 PM   #3
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We can figure out the track with some spacers and wheel offsets probably... honestly, yes, this is going to be expensive, but we are dead seat on doing it, purely for performance reasons... to get a wagon to turn with STis we need a little more rubber under the car and this seems like the best way of getting it
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Old 11-27-2006, 08:30 PM   #4
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We can figure out the track with some spacers and wheel offsets probably... honestly, yes, this is going to be expensive, but we are dead seat on doing it, purely for performance reasons... to get a wagon to turn with STis we need a little more rubber under the car and this seems like the best way of getting it
right on man! I wouldn't use wheel spacers though, they will put a beating on your lugs(just a safety preference). Other than that, it will definitely be a good project! I'm looking forward to some pix in the near future Keep me posted!
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Old 11-29-2006, 08:31 AM   #5
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i agree /w the wheel spacer comment
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Old 11-29-2006, 05:35 PM   #6
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Ha ha, I knew I wasn't the only one with the drive to widebody my wagon.Please please please keep this up dated. I planning to do the same thing to my 04.The only thing I haven't looked into is the if rear taillights will work with the sedan bumper, or would you have to put sedan taillights in your wagon.You might need inner linings for rear as well, easy.

Right on and good luck! It's gonna rock.
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Old 11-29-2006, 05:47 PM   #7
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Ha ha, I knew I wasn't the only one with the drive to widebody my wagon.Please please please keep this up dated. I planning to do the same thing to my 04.The only thing I haven't looked into is the if rear taillights will work with the sedan bumper, or would you have to put sedan taillights in your wagon.You might need inner linings for rear as well, easy.

Right on and good luck! It's gonna rock.
I think the bumper would work! The 04's look amazing like this, although I have never seen a full wide-body 04', only the bugeye I posted above.

Take a look at this sweet wagon!



If it had the sedan rear bumper, I think it would really complete the look!
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Old 12-01-2006, 10:19 PM   #8
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That wagon is sweeeet.

However in my opinion the car looks unbalanced without the wide rear end to match.

The rear bumper of a wagon has a body "dip" for each reverse light and the sedans don't. So if we were to put on a wide rear end we would need to put a sedan rear bumper to match. Since the sedan bumper has no "dip" we would have to put sedan tail lights on the wagon, ( if they fit ), or put a "dip" in the sedan bumper.
Confused yet?

I said "We" because alot more sweet a** wagon's need to be out there.

Way to find all those nice pics.I 've been looking for a while with no result.
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Old 12-02-2006, 10:59 AM   #9
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That wagon is sweeeet.

However in my opinion the car looks unbalanced without the wide rear end to match.

The rear bumper of a wagon has a body "dip" for each reverse light and the sedans don't. So if we were to put on a wide rear end we would need to put a sedan rear bumper to match. Since the sedan bumper has no "dip" we would have to put sedan tail lights on the wagon, ( if they fit ), or put a "dip" in the sedan bumper.
Confused yet?

I said "We" because alot more sweet a** wagon's need to be out there.

Way to find all those nice pics.I 've been looking for a while with no result.
Thanks, and I agree with the unbalanced look without the wide rear section, but it still looks nice. Anyway the sedan bumper DOES have a "dip", however it is futher towards the edge of the trunk, so I think the only solution would be to cut a new "dip" into the sedan bumper a few inches over to fit the wagon taillights. Luckily, I have an 02' and don't have to worry about the "dip"

Once again, I pulled up some pics (from Nasioc of course) for you to examine the differences.


Judging by the pics, I don't think the Sedan Lights would fit, without extensive modification that is....Sound's like the best bet would be to cut the grooves into the sedan bumper(make sure its an 02'-03' sedan bumper WITHOUT the grooves) otherwise you'll have 2 grooves with the 04'-06' bumper.....confused???

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Old 12-02-2006, 07:00 PM   #10
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I am sitting here, corrected. WRXGON is a better scoobie newbie than me and he knows how to post pics ( alas, I don't ). Any word from the fello who started this? I 'd like to know if he is still going to do the mod.

WRXGON are you planning to do the mod?
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Old 12-02-2006, 09:06 PM   #11
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I am sitting here, corrected. WRXGON is a better scoobie newbie than me and he knows how to post pics ( alas, I don't ). Any word from the fello who started this? I 'd like to know if he is still going to do the mod.

WRXGON are you planning to do the mod?
Thank you for the complements, wagonwrxeh! I try my best not to be your average scoobie newbie Although I'd love to have the wide rear-fenders/flares on my wagon, I simply don't have the time or money for that extensive body work right now. Maybe in the future, but not now. I will however track down some Sedan fenders for the front of my bug-eye because they bolt right in and I'll have 1/2 of a wide wagon better than nothing though, right?

And yes, to the original poster of this thread, please update us with some pics asap, we're all anxious Wagoneers here
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Old 12-02-2006, 10:02 PM   #12
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I've thought about this in the past and the conclusion I came too was that it be easier (and alot cheaper) to turn a seden into a wagon than to do the widebody conversion on a wagon
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:57 AM   #13
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I've thought about this in the past and the conclusion I came too was that it be easier (and alot cheaper) to turn a seden into a wagon than to do the widebody conversion on a wagon
I thought about that too, but wouldn't there be much more modification required? I mean, with the wagon, you are just adding metal to the rear quarterpanels and bolting on front fenders and a bumper. If you take the sedan, you already have the fenders, but then you have to re-align the entire trunk layout just to make the wagon hatch fit and change the whole rear-end geometry (The wagon is rounder in the back as opposed to the sedan's flatter look). And, you have to make the end roofline line up perfectly with everything else, I just think this conversion would be more complex if you ask me, just my $0.02

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Old 12-04-2006, 09:23 AM   #14
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Old 12-05-2006, 04:05 PM   #15
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Old 12-07-2006, 07:38 PM   #17
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I thought about that too, but wouldn't there be much more modification required? I mean, with the wagon, you are just adding metal to the rear quarterpanels and bolting on front fenders and a bumper. If you take the sedan, you already have the fenders, but then you have to re-align the entire trunk layout just to make the wagon hatch fit and change the whole rear-end geometry (The wagon is rounder in the back as opposed to the sedan's flatter look). And, you have to make the end roofline line up perfectly with everything else, I just think this conversion would be more complex if you ask me, just my $0.02

With the Wagon,The doors get all funky...as seen in the past when someone did this to his bugeye wagon (cost over 13k to convert)The factory fenders will cost you a premium (figure close to 2gs) and you'd still need the rear doors,bumber covers, so on and so forth and........... mad welding skills.....

Now if you were to take a seden and convert it to a wagon,you wouldn't need any of the things above because its a widebody already.....The only things you'd need is to be or to know a good welder and source out the rear half of a crashed wagon (with windows in tack maybe 1200 bucks). Cut out a few key section you'd need from the wagon rear half and weld away.

Yes this would still need a welder with mad skills.....but can be performed for thousands less and alot easier.......IMO

BTW:The roof lines are identical on the two....That would be easy seem welding,the hard part would be the trunk section....And Id still consider that to be alot easier than the above.

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Infact the more I talk about it the more I want it again
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i have 04 sedans fenders if anybody is interested in them? PM me if so.
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damn, i need 02/03s
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With the Wagon,The doors get all funky...as seen in the past when someone did this to his bugeye wagon (cost over 13k to convert)The factory fenders will cost you a premium (figure close to 2gs) and you'd still need the rear doors,bumber covers, so on and so forth and........... mad welding skills.....

Now if you were to take a seden and convert it to a wagon,you wouldn't need any of the things above because its a widebody already.....The only things you'd need is to be or to know a good welder and source out the rear half of a crashed wagon (with windows in tack maybe 1200 bucks). Cut out a few key section you'd need from the wagon rear half and weld away.

Yes this would still need a welder with mad skills.....but can be performed for thousands less and alot easier.......IMO

BTW:The roof lines are identical on the two....That would be easy seem welding,the hard part would be the trunk section....And Id still consider that to be alot easier than the above.
luckily I am a "mad welder" but honestly, the front fenders alone would cost 2gs???
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luckily I am a "mad welder" but honestly, the front fenders alone would cost 2gs???

Probally from Japan, painted and delivered. I 'll be waiting at the local autowrecker.

For all my imagination I never thought to put a wagon rear end on a sedan, but it does seem a little easier and, if your lucky put it on a STI. ooooooo... puts a whole new light on things.
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luckily I am a "mad welder" but honestly, the front fenders alone would cost 2gs???

No not the fronts only.....

This has been done before...The guy that did it...had to buy factory rear quarter's...doorskins and front fenders..Just the fenders and quarters are well over 2g's




Now........If you really want a widebody wagon...and want to use your wagon to do it...buy the wide body kit for a seden and go Way widebody....The kit runs about $3500...You would still need to section in the rear quarters but other than some light modifications to the rear bumper cover your in like Jim!


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No not the fronts only.....

This has been done before...The guy that did it...had to buy factory rear quarter's...doorskins and front fenders..Just the fenders and quarters are well over 2g's




Now........If you really want a widebody wagon...and want to use your wagon to do it...buy the wide body kit for a seden and go Way widebody....The kit runs about $3500...You would still need to section in the rear quarters but other than some light modifications to the rear bumper cover your in like Jim!


Yes I know...I should get paid to give my idea's away!
hehe, it's cool, I like the idea of having a wide wagon but for the same money I could do some serious engine modifications and have an even sleepier wagon

enough about me though, Mr. Wastintime posted this thread and left us all anxiously waiting for his replies WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN MAN!

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