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Old 12-01-2006, 08:37 PM   #1
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Default For all you electric car fans, Phoenix Motor Cars SUT

This thing is the most promising example of a usable, affordable, electric vehicle that I have seen to date. It's pretty exciting.



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Production Vehicle Preliminary Specifications

Dimensions & Weights:
Overall Length: Inches (mm) 194 (4935)
Overall Width: Inches (mm) 73 (1864)
Overall Height: Inches (mm) 69 (1760)
Wheelbase: Inches (mm) 108 (2755)
Gross Vehicle Weight: Lbs (kg) 4800 (2182)
Curb Vehicle Weight: Lbs (kg) 3800 (1727)
Minimum Clearance: Inches (mm) 7 (178)

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Front Suspension Independent Torsion Bar and Double Wishbone
Front Brakes Ventilated Disc
Rear Suspension Rigid Axle and 5-Link Coil Springs
Rear Brakes Disc
Steering Rack & Pinion

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Motor manufacturer Enova Systems / UQM
HP Rating 120 / 120
Torque rating 170 (230) / 405 (550)
Controller output 90KW / 90KW
Controller thermal management Water Cooling / Water Cooling
Regenerative braking Programmable / Programmable
On vehicle Charging System: Enova 6.6 KW / OEM 6.6 KW

Battery Pack
Battery Type (Power Rating): NanoSafe Titanate Lithium Ion (35 KWh)
Battery management system Altair Nanotechnology Integrated BMU

Performance:
0 - 60 MPH <10 seconds
Top Speed (factory set - controller limited): 95 MPH
Theoretical Top Speed: 120 MPH
Braking: 60 - 0 MPH 150 Feet (estimated)

Range:
Urban (UDDS): >100 miles per charge
Highway (HFEDS) >100 miles per charge

Charging Time:
On vehicle 6.6 KW charger: 6 - 8 Hours
Off Board High Power (250 KW) Charger: <10 min. to 95% SOC

Standard Features:
Comfort & Safety:
Driver side airbag
Central Door Locking
Power Windows
STICS with Auto Door Locking and Unlocking
Full Size Spare Tire
Side Repeaters
Front Door Courtesy Lamps
Chime Bell System: Seat Belts, Ignition, and Headlamps
Tinted Glass (Front, Side, and Rear)
Heated Rear Window
Assist Grips
Lumbar Support Drivers Seat
Height Adjustable Drivers Seat
Glove Box Lamp
Interior Lamp with Spot
Map Lamp

Mechanical:
Collapsible Steering Wheel
Tilt Steering Wheel
Gas Filled Shock Absorbers

Interior:
Cup Holders
High Velour Floor Mats
Map Pockets

Exterior:
Rear Fog Lamps
Mud Guards
Electric Remote Controlled Outside Mirrors
Lashing Hooks

Available Features:
Air Conditioning (electric heat pump)
Passenger side airbag
Limited Slip Differential
Automatic dimming Inside Rearview Mirror
Alloy Wheels
Electric Sunroof
Side Steps
Leather Seats
Audio Systems
GPS mapping Navigation Systems programmed with charging station locations
Extended Range Battery Pack(s)

Note: All specifications are subject to change without notice.
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http://66.218.37.153/index.htm
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Old 12-01-2006, 08:55 PM   #2
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Not enough range.
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Old 12-01-2006, 09:51 PM   #3
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130 miles is not enough range? That takes care of my daily needs. Thats for the 35kwh battery, the 70kwh battery (i think its 70kwh) goes 250 miles and can still be charged in under 10 minutes. Is that enough for ya?
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Old 12-01-2006, 10:40 PM   #4
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130 miles is not enough range? That takes care of my daily needs. Thats for the 35kwh battery, the 70kwh battery (i think its 70kwh) goes 250 miles and can still be charged in under 10 minutes. Is that enough for ya?
It is in the summer. In mid January when the daily high here is about zero for two weeks and battery capacity is cut in half or less, then no, even the high-capacity battery would leave me stranded about 15 miles from home at night.

250kW for 10 minutes is 41 kWh. That costs about $10 here (23.something cents/kwh combined generation+delivery charge). Oddly enough, that's almost exactly what it costs me to drive to work and back when gas is $2.30 a gallon.
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Old 12-01-2006, 10:44 PM   #5
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Am I the only one that finds it quite suspicious that their adress is 66.218.37.153 and not an actual domain name?

ANyways, it is a great idea and I hope to see more of these. Just think - if there was a gas powered generator onboard, your range would go up dramatically... still giving the average consumer the peace of mind of not running out of juice in the middle of nowhere, but in all honesty the ranges available today are 'good enough' for most drivers... especially since most people have more than one car already.
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Old 12-01-2006, 10:49 PM   #6
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the 70kwh battery (i think its 70kwh) goes 250 miles and can still be charged in under 10 minutes. Is that enough for ya?
Actually, almost. 300+ would be better, but its getting there.
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Old 12-02-2006, 12:05 PM   #7
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Well I live in Miami, its never cold or anything down here. I drive less than 70 miles a day, so 130 would be fine for me any day. If you were to drive 100 miles a day, that is a lot, I have 52k on my WRX now, I've had it for 27 months, thats an average of 65 miles a day, and thats alot of miles for an 05. This SUT would work fine more almost everyone, well at least for me and everyone else in a warm climate.
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Old 12-02-2006, 04:06 PM   #8
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Well I live in Miami, its never cold or anything down here. I drive less than 70 miles a day, so 130 would be fine for me any day. If you were to drive 100 miles a day, that is a lot, I have 52k on my WRX now, I've had it for 27 months, thats an average of 65 miles a day, and thats alot of miles for an 05. This SUT would work fine more almost everyone, well at least for me and everyone else in a warm climate.
Personally, i'd like an electric car I can use for something other than just commute...
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Old 12-02-2006, 05:13 PM   #9
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Like an inexpensive Tesla Roadster? Me too man, me too. I say give it a few years and they should be much cheaper, as I believe electric cars will eventually be the norm.

I always remember how with RC cars, the electric ones were always SOO much faster than the gas cars. I wondered, "why dont they make real cars like this?"
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Old 12-02-2006, 09:37 PM   #10
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What I want to know is how much.
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Old 12-02-2006, 09:56 PM   #11
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What I want to know is how much.
I believe it is supposed to be around $45k, not 100% on that.

But I forgot to mention, the new nanosafe battery pack is good for 15k+ cycles or a 20+ year shelf life!!

A car that would last about 350k miles without a rebuild? Priceless
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:21 AM   #12
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It is in the summer. In mid January when the daily high here is about zero for two weeks and battery capacity is cut in half or less, then no, even the high-capacity battery would leave me stranded about 15 miles from home at night.

250kW for 10 minutes is 41 kWh. That costs about $10 here (23.something cents/kwh combined generation+delivery charge). Oddly enough, that's almost exactly what it costs me to drive to work and back when gas is $2.30 a gallon.
That's great but most people do not drive more than 100 miles per day. Also, $0.23 per kWh is insanely high. In Michigan I pay $0.045 per kWh. A 130 mi range would cover my daily commute (about 80 miles), I would never have to go to a gas station, and my monthly fuel costs would be cut from about $150 per month to about $30 per month.

Where do I sign up!!
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Old 12-07-2006, 06:32 PM   #13
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I emailed Pheonix Motor Cars for more info, They sent me this, thought some of you would want to see it



I still say this thing is awesome, and if I could tradew my WRX for this, I'd do it IN A HEART BEAT!
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Old 12-07-2006, 07:23 PM   #14
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That's great but most people do not drive more than 100 miles per day. Also, $0.23 per kWh is insanely high. In Michigan I pay $0.045 per kWh. A 130 mi range would cover my daily commute (about 80 miles), I would never have to go to a gas station, and my monthly fuel costs would be cut from about $150 per month to about $30 per month.

Where do I sign up!!
According to the EPA the average US commute is 29 miles, round trip. So yeah, for probably 70% of commuters a 100-mile range would be plenty.

$0.23/kWh is thanks to partial deregulation here. The state PUC approves every increase asked for in the residental "standard offer" plan, it seems. Add in surcharges to pay for rebuilding pretty-much the entire state grid after the infamous January 1998 ice storm, and yeah, electricity is expensive in Northern New England.
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Old 12-08-2006, 01:23 PM   #15
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They kind of look like the Pontiac Aztek and Subaru Baja.
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Old 12-08-2006, 02:11 PM   #16
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Looks like they borrowed the bodies from Korean car maker SsangYong's Actyon and Actyon Sports (the truck style).

Interesting, don't know that the deal is between them.


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Old 12-08-2006, 06:45 PM   #17
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Looks like they borrowed the bodies from Korean car maker SsangYong's Actyon and Actyon Sports (the truck style).

Interesting, don't know that the deal is between them.


Yes they do use the bodies from that Korean company, they are shipped here, and they put all the electric stuff in them. I think that parts of the battery are made in india and shipped here as well.
I think those korean sut and suv look WAY better than the Ford Explorer/ sport trac. Or anything else GM or Dodge has to offer.
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Old 12-10-2006, 11:50 PM   #18
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I don't need an SUT, I would take a 2 seater electric thats curb weight is 2500lbs and gets better efficiency!
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Old 12-11-2006, 12:07 AM   #19
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They can sell new vehicles with only a driver's side airbag?
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Old 12-11-2006, 09:35 AM   #20
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Add a tiny turbine generator (diesel, of course) and they'd have something.
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Old 12-11-2006, 11:16 AM   #21
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250 miles per charge isnt enough for ya? If they had fast charging stations at malls, rest stops and the like, you could recharge in 10 minutes and drive 250 more miles. Why do people say 250 miles is not enough, thats almost what you can do in a WRX, it would just be a little more difficult to find a fast charger. I may drive more than 250 miles in one day only on road trips (obviously) but I only do that like 2 times a year. People need to get over the mental driving limit.
(not directed at you beaverboy)
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