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Old 12-01-2006, 11:28 PM   #1
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Default Who hates their Goodyears?

I've had nothing but bad experience with Goodyears and the ones on my new B9 are just confirming it. Has anyone changed out their tires? If so, what tires did you go with?
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Old 12-02-2006, 02:25 AM   #2
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I like mine They are both quiet and have good grip... One of Subaru's better choices for All Season Tires.
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Old 12-02-2006, 02:49 AM   #3
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I've had much success using the review system of a particular online tire retailer and after seeing what a bad rating the Goodyears received, I immediately set out to order a new set of all season so I could have them mounted before I took delivery of our B9.

The tires I ended up choosing based on a value system I came up with (which in turn were based on the review ratings as well as price) were the Yokohama Geolander H/T-S.

I've never driven the vehicle with the Goodyears on but with the Yokohamas (250 miles so far) I must say that I've been very impressed by them. Very quiet with decent ride and excellent traction both dry and wet. Looking forward to testing these out in the snow. Will report back as I have more miles on these tires.

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Old 12-02-2006, 09:33 AM   #4
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My wife's Audi A4 came with the LS2 in the sports package. We are happy with the tires on both vehicles. 15,000 miles on the B9
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Old 12-02-2006, 10:15 AM   #5
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No problems with mine. I like 'em.
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Old 12-02-2006, 10:25 AM   #6
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I was looking at the Yokohoma Geolanders and Pirelli Scorpions. Both have very good ratings (tirerack) and have read from others they are good. I like BFG tires, but they don't make any all seasons that size.
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Old 12-02-2006, 11:34 AM   #7
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Yesterday was the first time in decent snow with them, it did a pretty good job. Very little slip, and decent grip on the few slopes I tried.

I've seen worse.
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Old 12-02-2006, 11:47 AM   #8
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The reason I ask the question is that in the past I have always had problems keeping Goodyears balanced. Plus, they were bad in the rain. My new ones already have some very slight vibration issues at 300 miles. I could go back and have the dealer correct it, but I don't want to keep going back. I took a look at a couple wheels and there are a TON of weights on them (both sticky and edge mounted on same wheel). To me, that's not a good sign.
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Old 12-02-2006, 12:07 PM   #9
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The reason I ask the question is that in the past I have always had problems keeping Goodyears balanced. Plus, they were bad in the rain. My new ones already have some very slight vibration issues at 300 miles. I could go back and have the dealer correct it, but I don't want to keep going back. I took a look at a couple wheels and there are a TON of weights on them (both sticky and edge mounted on same wheel). To me, that's not a good sign.
It's funny that you mentioned this! The first thing I noticed while inspecting the Yokos when picking up the car was that they had removed a lot of the weights (there was left over residue evident). I believe this further supports your claim about excessive weights necessary in order to balance the Goodyears.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the Goodyears since I've never driven on them but just posting like yours as well as the reviews I read about 'em leads me to believe I made a good investment in the Yokos.
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Old 12-02-2006, 01:57 PM   #10
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I have 25K on the Tribeca and the tires are still like new... that's something new with Goodyears. I have no problems with these tires. The trans and rated HP that make the car feel like they have crummy tires, is another story. I have checked on other types (BJ's Warehouse) and they range from $125 to $235 with the $125 tires having a rating of 400 and some of the more expensive makes down to 170. I can only imagine what the Subaru dealer is charging for replacements plus labor. After a former Audi A6 burned out their OEM tires in under 30K the Audi dealer stated some $800 for replacements. BJ's, with a warranty was just over $230 installed and we put 20K on those 4 and were still looking new when we traded it in for the Tribeca.

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Old 12-02-2006, 02:26 PM   #11
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I just switched to winter tires. Micheling Latitude X-ice and I find them as quiet or quieter than the stock goodyears. They also seem to absorb the bumps slightly better...perhaps due to being higher profile (235-65-17) and softer rubber?

Tires can make a huge difference in the feel of a vehicle.
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Old 12-03-2006, 07:27 AM   #12
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No problem at all with the stock tires at 7,000 miles.
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Old 12-03-2006, 11:43 AM   #13
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We finally had some nasty weather here, icy and slushy. I was pretty happy with the way the stock tires worked. Kind of surprised. I expected a lot worse.
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Old 12-27-2006, 06:17 PM   #14
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No problem with the stocks here....and, after our first "blizzard", I can say they are EXCELLENT in the snow and ice!
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Old 01-02-2007, 11:58 AM   #15
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I was very bummed when I realized the B9 came with these tires, as my wife's Nissan Quest had them and I thought they were the worst tires I ever drove on.

But I discovered Goodyear reengineered this tire, and so far with only 1100 miles on them I must say they are a different tire.

On the freeway they are quiet and responsive. They seem to match the suspension of the B9 well.

On tight conering they have slow turn-in response, but this is to be expected in an all season tire. You just have to anticipate a bit more with these tires.

In snow this last week they performed very well. I have absolutely no complaints about their ability on snow and ice. I was very worried given the tire rack surveys, but real world is where it matters, and they perfomred.
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Old 01-10-2007, 03:55 PM   #16
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I read people complaining about the tires, but thought they were alright during the summer months. I became dissapointed once the rain picked up (which doesn't stop until June ) since the grip and feel in the rain was pretty bad. Ski season started, and after a few trips the mountain I gave up on the Goodyears. It was just sad compared to my previous setup on my '00 OBS. For winter tires I chose Nokian Hakka 2's (studded) and they rock. The difference is just amazing, but for those of you who don't spend much time in the snow or mountains it may not be worth it for you to switch.

When spring rolls around not sure what tires I will pick, but I'll be getting different wheels as well for summer.
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Old 01-10-2007, 06:27 PM   #17
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I, too, have just been able to experience them in the rain. Not happy. I've had the front slide in a turn bad enough for me to let off the gas. My previous Subie (WRX) had BFG KDW's and they were phenominal in the rain. Like I said before, I've always been happy with BFG's, but they don't them in our size.
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Old 01-10-2007, 08:54 PM   #18
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You guys might want to consider that the Tribeca is heavier and probably has wider tires than an Outback. It's not going to do quite everything the Outback can do, just like there are things the Tribeca can do better than the Outback. As with every new car, it takes a bit of prudence and patience to learn the new limits and capabilities. That being said, I've been quite satisfied with my Tribeca's performance, and the tires aren't even new since it was a demo. My other Subie is an SVX I've had since 93 and both still drive quite nimbly around other cars, trucks and SUVs in the snow. The Tribeca does seem to exhibit a bit more understeer, but I believe that's by design given the high center of gravity.

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Old 01-11-2007, 04:26 PM   #19
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A balanced perspective...

I now have Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3's on my SVT. Nothing will touch this car in the rain. Nothing. It is a 2200 lb chassis built for world rally, and the best performing rain tires on the market.

A Subaru Tribeca is not this, nor are its OEM Goodyears. This is a big car, what 4100lbs?, more the way most are optioned. And the Goodyears are All Season.

My point is I think the Tribeca handles well in ALL conditions. Some of us can't optimize for 1 condition (me included) so we need to compromise. These tires (as well as this car) are GOOD COMPROMISES.

Just to finish, I would never even think of taking my SVT to the snow with those F1's, because they were not designed for that.

So I reiterate I think the OEM tires are a very reasonable compromise for this car in ALL WEATHER CONDITIONS.
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I now have Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3's on my SVT. Nothing will touch this car in the rain. Nothing.

I'm betting my Forester XT with the same tires can I love my F1's and can't wait till I can put them back on, it's just too cold for them now

A Subaru Tribeca is not this, nor are its OEM Goodyears. This is a big car, what 4100lbs?, more the way most are optioned. And the Goodyears are All Season.

My point is I think the Tribeca handles well in ALL conditions. Some of us can't optimize for 1 condition (me included) so we need to compromise. These tires (as well as this car) are GOOD COMPROMISES.

Just to finish, I would never even think of taking my SVT to the snow with those F1's, because they were not designed for that.

So I reiterate I think the OEM tires are a very reasonable compromise for this car in ALL WEATHER CONDITIONS.

I agree, I have two sets of tires for my Forester winter and summer, but it's not practicle with the B9. I've been very happy with the stock tires. They might not be what I would have chosen given a choice but all things considered better than I expected.
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Old 01-12-2007, 12:56 PM   #21
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I understand all of your points. I have owned full size trucks, V8 muscle cars and a ton of Japanese regular and sports cars. When I had the minor front end slide, it could have also been the road quality itself. My WRX had understeer as all of my Subarus have (that's just the way they set them up). These tires are just not as grippy in the rain as a lot of other tires I have experienced. And, even being new, they remind me of the older Goodyears that I've had in the past. I think the most important part on any vehicle are the tires. They are the only thing between the car and the road. Maybe my expectations are a little higher than most others, but that's just me. I've experienced really cheap tires a really good tires. I'll stick with the really good tires (if i can). Just my $.02
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Old 02-27-2007, 01:56 PM   #22
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My wife's Audi A4 came with the LS2 in the sports package. We are happy with the tires on both vehicles. 15,000 miles on the B9

18,000 on the B9 now, two snow storms and parking on the street in the Lower East Side of Manhattan.

The B9 has been great so far this winter. The snow was very hard and with 6 to 8 inch ruts from other vehicles. No noticeable slippage or hesitation in going where I wanted to go. It felt like a tank wherever I went, and I went out of my way to go the most difficult path.

Guy in front of me with an X5 trying to get away from the curb, left front tire spinniing and a rock back and forth to get out.

All with a soft foot on the gas. Stomp on it in packed snow and it squirms a bit until the stability control kicks in. Then it just puts you on the intended path and calms down. The dash light for the control really catches your attention.

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Old 02-27-2007, 02:33 PM   #23
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These tires are just not as grippy in the rain as a lot of other tires I have experienced. And, even being new, they remind me of the older Goodyears that I've had in the past. I think the most important part on any vehicle are the tires.
You make a very good point about Goodyears. Recently I switched from one very highly rated rain tire (Continental Sport Contact) to another (Goodyear Eagle F1), and the Goodyear "feels" less grippy than the Conti in the rain. However; the reality is another story. When I look at the speedo the differential is in the 10-15mph range around tight corners. We are talking about a threshold that is 30% or so higher!!! But the feel is a bit squirmy. The reason is Goodyears are now being designed to "gently" approach the limit of adhesion, and to even "gently" return to the limit of adhesion once you push them past the limit. This makes driving fun!

I can understand how this would seem more obvious in a car dialed in for understeer, but in a car set up neutral it is more fun than a barrelful of monkeys. But the B9 is a little to big for this kind of fun in the rain, so you have a good point.

If it worries you go out to a safe place and test the limits of adhesion. You will likely never get there as I would bet the traction control will kick in first. I have tried gunning it on ice with the wheels completely turned, and after about 1 second of confusion the cars settles down and does exactly what you are asking it to do.

Like I said originally, I hated these tires on my wifes Nissan Quest, but since the redesign I have to say they work very well on this car.
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Old 02-27-2007, 08:47 PM   #24
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I have yet to be able to replace these things (I still hope to but I don't know how soon). We've had our share of snow here in Ohio. They actually do well on packed snow and with light snow falls under 2". Get them in any slush or deeper snow, and they are no good. I have had Dunlop M3 snow tires so I am pampered with the feel of a good snow tire. I know they are just an all-season tire, but the BFG Traction TA were better on my previous car. They don't make them in our size, though.

I have yet to get the Goodyears to squeel around corners. I think it's because they are a harder rubber compound. I think my problem is that I still drive aggressive like I did in my WRX so I may be expecting too much from the tires (and the B9). But I think different tires may change the ride and handling of the B9 in a better way. Hopefully when I get the extra $$ I may be able to test my theory.
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For those that like the Goodyears and need a new set, mine are still available:
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