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Old 12-02-2006, 01:32 AM   #1
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Finished my amp/sub install this week now all I need to do is carpet the box. These subs hit so much harder than the new polk momo subs and paired with the orion competition amp they sound super clean. The [older] amp is powering the speakers and the [newer] one the subs. Cleanest sounding amps I've ever heard, and each is only 25 x 2 watts The only sideback is this set-up is pretty heavy.

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Kenwood Dpx-301, Roady XT with GLI
2 original Orion HCCA Amps
2 [early] model 10" Polk Momo subs
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Polk 6 1/2 inch components front
Polk 4 inch rear
Dynomat Xtreme all 'round


top of the box
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...3/DSC01667.jpg

front, looking through the back seat hatch
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...3/DSC01663.jpg

from the back, in the installed position
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...3/DSC01653.jpg

night shot
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...3/DSC01649.jpg


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Old 12-02-2006, 06:46 AM   #2
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I would turn the box around towards the back of the car.
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Old 12-02-2006, 12:28 PM   #3
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mmmm....225HCCA....sweet. I don't care how old it is, any amp that can run .5ohm stable all day is the shizzz... mind you, your damping factor goes out the window, but back in the day, competition classes were wattage based, (@ the 4 ohm rating) so 2 of those amps put you in the 100 watt and under category, and done right, would produce 800 watts. oooff...
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Old 12-02-2006, 02:52 PM   #4
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Yes, sweet amps indeed. I would probably have played around a little more with firing directions before screwing the amps to the box though.
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Old 12-02-2006, 03:29 PM   #5
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What's the model # on those polk subs? Those HCCA's need to run at .5 ohm to get full power out of them. Those polk subs need dual 1 ohm voice coils,(or quad 2 ohm), to get all the power out of those amps. It'll make a huge difference.
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Old 12-02-2006, 05:12 PM   #6
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Nice amps... but for the love of god cover that box in something and dress your wiring....

Nice gear deserves a good install....
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Old 12-02-2006, 06:29 PM   #7
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Gotta love the oldschool "cheater" amps. I had an Orion 2 channel for a sub back in the day. 20x2, but put out 240 RMS when bridged....great ampl
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Old 12-02-2006, 06:42 PM   #8
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What's the model # on those polk subs? Those HCCA's need to run at .5 ohm to get full power out of them. Those polk subs need dual 1 ohm voice coils,(or quad 2 ohm), to get all the power out of those amps. It'll make a huge difference.
actually, 2 4ohm dvc subs with all the coils in parallel on a bridged 2ch makes 1ohm. and remember, bridging an amp means each channel deals with 1/2 the given load, so each channel would see .5ohms The best setup for that would be using 1 amp for the subs, and using the other for fronts/rears in parallel, with L-pads on the rears.That would give 25x4 for the fronts, of high current power, and 400w to the subs. a bit bass heavy, but still a well balanced system.
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Old 12-02-2006, 11:01 PM   #9
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Thanks for the positive feedback on the amps !

The subs are 2 ohms and running off of one amp. I'm not sure the model number off the top of my head.
couchflambeau- As for the messy wiring and uncarpeted box, like I said it's not completely finished up, have no fear all will be neat and clean when I am done, this was just the most opportune time to take pictures. Concerning the direction, I was just experimenting with both forward facing and I will probobly stick with the rear facing it sounds a little cleaner. Additional cascade quiet-kote spray is going in the trunk soon to I'm still getting some rattle.
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Old 12-02-2006, 11:18 PM   #10
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good to hear....
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Old 12-02-2006, 11:43 PM   #11
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actually, 2 4ohm dvc subs with all the coils in parallel on a bridged 2ch makes 1ohm. and remember, bridging an amp means each channel deals with 1/2 the given load, so each channel would see .5ohms
If you only want half of those amps for the subs. Any run of the mill 70 x 2 @4 ohm amp on some nice comps could keep up with 800 watts on the subs. I'd take that over using L-pads on rear speakers just to get more power out of an HCCA amp for mids & highs. personal preference i guess

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The best setup
No such thing.

You are right to only run those amps at 1 ohm mono for DD purposes

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Old 12-02-2006, 11:52 PM   #12
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No such thing.
Is too... 2 Dual 12's in a bandpass box running off an Audiobahn amp (chrome flames are worth 1000 watts), fed from a Sony Xplod HU and stock speakers... Awesome
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Old 12-03-2006, 12:04 AM   #13
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Gotta love the oldschool "cheater" amps. I had an Orion 2 channel for a sub back in the day. 20x2, but put out 240 RMS when bridged....great ampl
I remember the old cheater PPi art series... 12.5wrms x 2 for like $700 Now theres a smoking watt per dollar ratio!

Ahh those were the days
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Old 12-03-2006, 12:34 AM   #14
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I remember the old cheater PPi art series... 12.5wrms x 2 for like $700 Now theres a smoking watt per dollar ratio!

Ahh those were the days
http://ampguts.realmofexcursion.com/Orion_Concept_97.3/
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Old 12-03-2006, 12:52 AM   #15
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Awesome! I love the HCCA series amps. I ran the XTR's in high school and I loved them. Very nice job!
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Old 12-03-2006, 01:20 PM   #16
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ROFL! .5watts!

hahahahahah

Thats mint!

And if you believe all you read here it will "Blow your speakers via underpowering them!!!"

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Old 12-03-2006, 02:21 PM   #17
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The return of the red hunter. Killer amps, brings back so many memories. Can't wait to see the final install.
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Old 12-03-2006, 08:44 PM   #18
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Thanks again I will take pictures when it's all cleaned up/finalized. At this point I have a few options on how to complete this. Should I keep the classic look and carpet the box, hide the wires, and go from there or do something a little more custom? Feedback's greatly appreciated minus that whole dual 12's, audiobane amp, and sony xplode head unit idea
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Old 12-03-2006, 09:21 PM   #19
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Go straight up oldschool my man...carpet the thing and keep the big square box ......big
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If you are interested, I think I still have a 3 band parametric EQ, and a 2 way crossover from Orion that work off of the phantom power. I have the phantom power din cables with them too. They would go right in the system, and provide 9 volt preamp to those amps. I used to have lots of big red amps, including a rare 425 HCCA, and 2100 Hcca running all Orion speakers back in the early 90's.
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Old 12-04-2006, 01:23 AM   #21
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Did someone say old-school?



Wish I still had them though

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