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Old 12-07-2006, 03:39 PM   #1
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So an STi tranny is bulletproof huh?? This is what all my friends tell me who beat on their STi's every day of the week. I do drive the car hard, but only on occasion. Anyway, i blew fourth gear synchro with one miss shift, and shortly after blew fifth gear synchro. How i blew fifth, i have no idea. I did not slam it or downshift hard, or anything. A week ago it just started grinding with all everyday driving. When i get in my car, i cannot get it into gear, at all. It takes about a minute of trying to shift into second, then first, then second, and so on till the synchros meet up and allow engagment. THe tranny is shot, but the warrenty is not voided yet. However subaru laughed at me when i came to them asking for the work. They really told me not to bother even inquiring when i told them i was tuned with an exhaust. Come on, really. Its not like im strapping a GT35R on, or rallying, or boosting 25psi. And i know they technicaly cant void the warrenty because those aftermarket items have no direct link to the tranny. But who can help other than a lawyer?? THis is rediculous, you buy a car for 33k and they wont even help you with their promissed warrenty. Is there even a point to warrenties. My buddy blew his tranny in his civic, and they refused to warrenty it because he had an AEM cold air intake. Does anyone have any suggestions??? I just want a reliable tranny agian...
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Old 12-07-2006, 04:16 PM   #2
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Old 12-07-2006, 04:19 PM   #3
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your first mistake was telling them you are tuned you should have just put the exhaust back to stock and not say anything chances are there not going to check your ecu anyways best of luck to you try what i said at a differrent suby dealership. because you blew it with the dealership you already took it to.
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Old 12-07-2006, 04:52 PM   #4
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Don't mention the tuning, but the exhaust has no effect on the tranny anyway. warranty work is up to the dealership when it comes to anything aftermarket, so you can try another dealership in the area. if that doesnt work, bring your exhaust back to stock. generally your best bet is to just find a dealership that is leniant with aftermarket parts as long as that part didn't effect the transmission.
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Old 12-07-2006, 05:02 PM   #5
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Old 12-07-2006, 05:04 PM   #6
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...where there's a will there's a way (nothing is “bulletproof”).

"Technically" there are very few things that will void the warranty. However, SOA may deny coverage on a warranty claim (i.e. for abuse, modifications, etc.). .....and yes, your modifications are relevant when considering a case like this. You're making somewhere in the neighborhood of +62 whp and +112 wtq over stock with the modifications you listed in your post from 3 weeks ago (see below). All of that power is being funneled through somewhere before it reaches the wheels. Personally, I don’t think you have a leg to stand on (legally or otherwise)………

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I drove this car about 100 miles a day for 7.5-8 months and cant stand to see the milage go any higher so quickly.

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Old 12-07-2006, 06:15 PM   #7
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How many miles are on the car and when was the last time you changed the oil?

The STi's gearbox can take A LOT of abuse, but the syncros are still wear items.
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:57 PM   #8
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So an STi tranny is bulletproof huh?? This is what all my friends tell me who beat on their STi's every day of the week. I do drive the car hard, but only on occasion. Anyway, i blew fourth gear synchro with one miss shift, and shortly after blew fifth gear synchro. How i blew fifth, i have no idea. I did not slam it or downshift hard, or anything. A week ago it just started grinding with all everyday driving. When i get in my car, i cannot get it into gear, at all. It takes about a minute of trying to shift into second, then first, then second, and so on till the synchros meet up and allow engagment. THe tranny is shot, but the warrenty is not voided yet. However subaru laughed at me when i came to them asking for the work. They really told me not to bother even inquiring when i told them i was tuned with an exhaust. Come on, really. Its not like im strapping a GT35R on, or rallying, or boosting 25psi. And i know they technicaly cant void the warrenty because those aftermarket items have no direct link to the tranny. But who can help other than a lawyer?? THis is rediculous, you buy a car for 33k and they wont even help you with their promissed warrenty. Is there even a point to warrenties. My buddy blew his tranny in his civic, and they refused to warrenty it because he had an AEM cold air intake. Does anyone have any suggestions??? I just want a reliable tranny agian...
You could start by learning to spell WARRANTY, and maybe some other difficult words like "again" and "ridiculous".
That way maybe when you show up with a modified car trying to get free service for a part that was abused, at least they won't think you are stupid right away.
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Old 12-08-2006, 10:21 AM   #9
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...where there's a will there's a way (nothing is “bulletproof”).

"Technically" there are very few things that will void the warranty. However, SOA may deny coverage on a warranty claim (i.e. for abuse, modifications, etc.). .....and yes, your modifications are relevant when considering a case like this. You're making somewhere in the neighborhood of +62 whp and +112 wtq over stock with the modifications you listed in your post from 3 weeks ago (see below). All of that power is being funneled through somewhere before it reaches the wheels. Personally, I don’t think you have a leg to stand on (legally or otherwise)………

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And there it is...the full story. To the OP, even without the listed mods, you said something that would prevent this from being warranty anyway. You stated that you blew your 4th gear synchro with a missed shift; that right there is driver error and therefore not damage covered by warranty. As for 5th gear, you may have debris from your 4th gear synchro or other damage floating around in there and jamming up 5th.

Before anyone says "one missed shift should blow a synchro," stop and think for a second. The OP was not entirely forthcoming with his mods, is putting down a good deal more power than stock, has tracked his car, we know nothing about his driving history or ability, and we don't know the circumstances surrounding the missed shift (speed, rpms, etc.). The facts are a fairly modified car with more power than stock and the tranny's got damage due to a driver mistake. This is clearly not a warranty situation.

To tack onto what Kean said, what CAN happen and likely will in your case would be denial of warranty coverage on your transmission, engine, and likely most if not all of your powertrain components, because of your power-enhancing modifications.
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You could start by learning to spell WARRANTY, and maybe some other difficult words like "again" and "ridiculous".
That way maybe when you show up with a modified car trying to get free service for a part that was abused, at least they won't think you are stupid right away.
A bit off topic, but has anybody noticed that the proper use of contractions seems to be a lost art nowadays? In the OP: its, im, cant, wont; should be it's (it is), I'm (I am), can't (cannot), won't (will not). In the case of its, it's a proper possessive form but wrong context here, and the others are just wrong. Alright, I digress...just a pet peeve of mine.
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Old 12-08-2006, 10:56 AM   #11
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A bit off topic, but has anybody noticed that the proper use of contractions seems to be a lost art nowadays? In the OP: its, im, cant, wont; should be it's (it is), I'm (I am), can't (cannot), won't (will not). In the case of its, it's a proper possessive form but wrong context here, and the others are just wrong. Alright, I digress...just a pet peeve of mine.
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Old 12-08-2006, 11:25 AM   #12
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Wouldn't the upgraded clutch contribute to tranny problems (along with the added power)?
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:13 PM   #13
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+1, this is a car forum, not an english class
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You could start by learning to spell WARRANTY, and maybe some other difficult words like "again" and "ridiculous".
That way maybe when you show up with a modified car trying to get free service for a part that was abused, at least they won't think you are stupid right away.
hmmmmm.... Maybe thats why I'm a mechanical engineer, and not an english teacher.
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Old 12-08-2006, 06:46 PM   #15
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Wouldn't the upgraded clutch contribute to tranny problems (along with the added power)?
My guess is that this car was beat on hard before he bought it. Syncros don't just die after 15 runs down a drag strip.

I would also guess that the gear oil hasn't been changed, and/or should have been changed a long time ago.
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hmmmmm.... Maybe thats why I'm a mechanical engineer, and not an english teacher.
I am a Mechanical Engineer too.
AND I am not a native English speaker. No excuse.
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Old 12-10-2006, 04:58 PM   #17
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funny read.

Whaa!
I added a 100hp and a monster clutch to my car. Then wailed it on the track and managed to miss a shift. Then I drove around with bits of gear in my tranny until it froze up.
Now mean old Subaru won't fix it for free.
Whaa!
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Old 12-10-2006, 05:33 PM   #18
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funny read.

Whaa!
I added a 100hp and a monster clutch to my car. Then wailed it on the track and managed to miss a shift. Then I drove around with bits of gear in my tranny until it froze up.
Now mean old Subaru won't fix it for free.
Whaa!
Wow. I thought this forum was for friendly advice towards problems with subarus, not for tools to make fun. And to clerify my current situation, the car shifts fine unless the drivetrain is under load. Quick shifting and shifting over 4500 rpm really is when 4th and 5th grind. As far as the gearbox freezing up goes...If I shift into first gear before the car is started it engages smoothly with no effort in the throw. I then turn the car on and it shifts fine under babied conditions. When i get to a light or a stop sign, the tranny allows me to engage first, but with a little effort in the throw. When I originally posted, the problem seemed much worse than it actually is now. Partly because I had just gotten off the highway and was on the car quite a bit, constantly up and downshifting between 4th and 6th gear. However, it is still very annoying now when it comes time to get on it. Finally, about the diff and tranny fluid. It has been replaced replaced at 35k and at 44k when this started to become a real problem.

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Old 12-10-2006, 07:56 PM   #19
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STi Mikey-
First of all, as a Mech Eng, for you to say that your power mods are irrelevant to your transmission problems.... you must not be a very good mechanical engineer.

You should understand why Subaru would never even consider fixing your car under warranty. A stronger clutch will put much more shock load and wear on all parts of the transmission. And since you have another 35% more torque being transmitted in a shorter amount of time, of course your syncros will have more wear. Regardless of the fact thats it is a wear item which isn't covered past a year/12K miles anyway.

You pay to play. And its sounds like you play poorly; so, now you get to pay.

They haven't voided your warranty, they just denied this claim. And most dealers will. Any competent tech will be able to tell you modded the car.

Subaru warranties the STOCK powertrain at STOCK power levels. You don't have a stock car at stock power levels. So there is no reason for subaru to do anything.

I would say bitch and moan a lot, and you may get the work done at cost/free and just pay for the parts.

Welcome to personal responsibility, I hope you enjoy your stay.
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Yeah it sucks when things like this happen, I know about it. stop driving your car, take it to the dealer, and have a couple grand handy to spend...
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Old 12-10-2006, 09:32 PM   #21
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Regardless of the fact thats it is a wear item which isn't covered past a year/12K miles anyway.
....actually, (abuse and modifications aside) I believe the synchros would normally be covered under the 5/60 powertrain warranty and wear items such as the wiper blades, clutch and brake pads are covered under the bumper-to-bumper warranty (3/36).
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I got my car as a present from the dealer with aem cai intake,exhaust,HKS BOV and a front strut bar. Would they be able to give me any warranty problems because of these mods?


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My guess is that this car was beat on hard before he bought it. Syncros don't just die after 15 runs down a drag strip.

I would also guess that the gear oil hasn't been changed, and/or should have been changed a long time ago.
Does anyone know how ofter you are supposed to change the gear oil on a 04 STI? I think most of the fluids need to be changed at 30,00 miles miles right? It is starting to get hard to get into first gear. I also get a lot of squeaking in my clutch peddle. Would it be possible for me to get the 30k maintanence done at 24,000 miles?
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When people say the STI transmission is hardy, they mean the gears won't break. As for the synchros, no offense, but that's most likely your fault.
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Or the previous owners. Or both which is my guess.
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Old 12-11-2006, 11:02 AM   #25
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I got my car as a present from the dealer with aem cai intake,exhaust,HKS BOV and a front strut bar. Would they be able to give me any warranty problems because of these mods?
Technically, if the modification is believed to have caused the failure for which you are trying to get repaired/replaced under warranty, then yes. …..you could have problems getting it covered. However, please note that it is SOA (not the dealer) who has the final say. Also, it depends on the dealer and how “mod friendly” they are. In your case, I would think they might help you out considering the modifications were on the car when it was sold/given to you. ……just remember that the mods you have are not supported by SOA (i.e. you’ll probably need to depend on the dealer to flip the bill for warranty issues related to those items).

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Does anyone know how ofter you are supposed to change the gear oil on a 04 STI? I think most of the fluids need to be changed at 30,00 miles miles right? It is starting to get hard to get into first gear. I also get a lot of squeaking in my clutch peddle. Would it be possible for me to get the 30k maintanence done at 24,000 miles?
Hopefully they provided you with a manual when you picked up the car. If not, you can find a maintenance schedule on www.mysubaru.com. ….just register and your on your way. If you’re having any problems, I would take it in to the dealer provided you are still under warranty.
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