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Old 12-15-2006, 09:32 AM   #1
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Default Any of you guys know or have any experience with RX-8?

1. Reliability
2. Depreciation
3. Rotary Issues
4. teh slow??
5. Nice RWD choice?
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:33 AM   #2
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1.
2. Very little, as they are becomming uncommon
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4. How much money do you have?
5. See #4
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:35 AM   #3
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by your answers i got the point
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:35 AM   #4
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I work for a mazda dealer. 60% of the time a tow truck comes to my shop, they are the reason.
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:35 AM   #5
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The clutches never survive the Mazda Rev It Up days.
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:36 AM   #6
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1. Normal if driven hard enough. The recent recalls were mostly due to owners who lugged their engines.. the apex seals appreciate a little high RPM play.
2. Pretty steep, I believe. They're common on most Mazda lots due to slow sales.
3. Burns oil as part of the normal process, and easy to foul plugs if shut down during the warm-up phase.
4. B Stock in SCCA Solo. An STi is faster. Still not slow by any means.
5. Of course.
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:44 AM   #7
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The most stupidest question of them all this car in the snow = ?
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:47 AM   #8
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The most stupidest question of them all this car in the snow = ?
Speaking purely out of my ass, I'd imagine it would do fine with a good set of snow tires. RWD isn't automatically a death sentence in snow, and a well-balanced rear driver can do just fine.
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:48 AM   #9
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1. Reliability
2. Depreciation
3. Rotary Issues
4. teh slow??
5. Nice RWD choice?
1) They're reliable. Just have to maintain them a little more than your normal honda.
2) A car isn't an investment. They do depreciate a bit more than others. If you're interested in buying one, look for a used '05. Best bang for the buck. Those who have owned them, the values have tanked due to the engine recall (that I haven't heard of anyone getting a new engine in this part of the country)
3) Rotary issues are:
a) Flooding (fixed in a re-flash a while ago)
b) Those living in year round hot/humid climates who ALSO use synthetic (not recommended but people do anyways) have had issues with their engines. There was a big recall on them and about 95% of the engines have passed. They also upped the warranty on the cars 1 year/10K miles.
c) Other than that, nothing really that big an issue.
4) They are slow off the line. Auto-x, however, they are the fastest in BS. You can launch the hell out of them with a 5K+ slip clutch launch.
5) Absolutely. These cars handle much better than almost any car I have driven. They are well balanced, and communicate everything to the driver. Plenty of power. Better handlers than any Subaru in stock form. Throw some OTS Konis on it, and the car handles like a dream.

The RX8 doesn't have the 'oopmh' like a turbo, but it's quite deceptive.

The top RX8 at nationals was faster than the stop STi at Nationals... but that's not always the case... the STI is usually faster by about 1 second.

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Old 12-15-2006, 09:48 AM   #10
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The most stupidest question of them all this car in the snow = ?
Great with snow tires.

http://www.rx8club.com

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Old 12-15-2006, 09:51 AM   #11
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1. Reliability
Make sure have a backup car.

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Not terrible.

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See question #1

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4. teh slow??
In a straight line they aren't all that. Not the easiest cars to mod either. But they know their way around an autox course. Lightweight + good handling are it's strong points.

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for a weekend car maybe

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Old 12-15-2006, 09:51 AM   #12
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Ahhh great info guys snow is what blows with any RWD cars here... Lots of hatting on this vehicle huh. And they are just abotu the same price as a S2000.
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:53 AM   #13
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60% of the time, it works every time.
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:55 AM   #14
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Take a look at rx8club.com and look at here
http://www.rx8club.com/forumdisplay.php?f=95

and read some of the stickies, especially the ones about the flooding...
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:56 AM   #15
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Having watched kC sling one around at AutoX's, and driven a few myself, I would have to say they are incredibly fun to drive, albiet torqueless.

kC got to the point he was steering as much with the throttle as the wheel. Awesome to watch.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:00 AM   #16
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And they are just abotu the same price as a S2000.
Oh crap, here I go again. Always wanted an S2000, never could justify it, loves to look anyway.

<--- runs off to Autotrader.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:07 AM   #17
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Oh crap, here I go again. Always wanted an S2000, never could justify it, loves to look anyway.

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Debating between a S2000 and RX8 i think S2000 wins lol looks and sexyness but insurance is so much more
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:10 AM   #18
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1. Reliability
Mine has had no issues in my short ownership but I know the previous owner just had his bulletins taken care of, no problems.

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2. Depreciation
I think they'l hold up well, as they are a niche car and there's not that many around. That being said, they have taken a pretty steep initial hit, mainly due to the fact that virtually no one paid MSRP, or probably even invoice, when new. As said above, go slightly used. I found a '04 with only 17K miles, and paid 43% below the original sticker. I think the next 4-5 years will be much flatter.

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3. Rotary Issues
"It burns oil" is a bit of a misnomer. When a piston engine "burns oil," it implies a leak or such. The rotary takes oil from the crank case and injects it into the housing for lubrication, so it's entirely normal.

"RX8's on a tow truck" is also misleading. If you bought a WRX, you'd research things like staying off boost until the engine is warm, the fact that it does not contain a high-performance drag-racing tranny, etc... When you buy an RX8, you research about how a cold rotary will flood. Avoiding it is simple. My gut says they end up on a tow truck because someone didn't know or thought it wouldn't happen to them. The latest flash minimizes the problem, but you can't pretend it doesn't exist.

"Engine recall", as KC said, is so blown out of proportion, and he lists the factors usually to blame. My car has been checked and passed. Go on rx8club.com and you'll find most do. The rotary is like a lab puppy - go out and run that thing, it doesn't like sleeping on a couch pillow all day....

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4. teh slow??
If you want to rocket from stoplight-to-stoplight, get something else. This car is about twisties and driving skill/fun. I don't consider it an utter dog below 3K but any light car with some go will surely beat you in that range. However, the car could live at 4500 RPM and you get very respectable response up there. Spend some time in 6-8K RPMs if you really want some fun.
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5. Nice RWD choice?
I find the car incredibly unique all-around: RWD handling, good speed, awesome handling, back seat space and highly uncommon in most areas. I put brand new Pirelli PZero Nero M+S tires on. They absolutely rip through wet conditions without issue (of course, you certainly can break them loose if you really want to, the car does have that power easily), but with normal driving, I feel totally secure. For snow, there's tons of RWD cars out there, and a good many of them survive winters just fine without wrecking. Good tires + be smart = fine.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:15 AM   #19
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I test drove one at the Mazda Zoom-Zoom event. My self-propelled lawnmower generates more torque. If I had to drive this thing every day in traffic I think I would stall it at least once a day.

The grip around the corners was tenacious, although you had to drop the clutch at 5K and let it spin to get it going.

For a track/fun car, I would consider it. For a daily driver that also would do daily driver duty, no way.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:23 AM   #20
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I find the car incredibly unique all-around: RWD handling, good speed, awesome handling, back seat space and highly uncommon in most areas. I put brand new Pirelli PZero Nero M+S tires on. They absolutely rip through wet conditions without issue (of course, you certainly can break them loose if you really want to, the car does have that power easily), but with normal driving, I feel totally secure. For snow, there's tons of RWD cars out there, and a good many of them survive winters just fine without wrecking. Good tires + be smart = fine.
I see your point and the twisties i don't care more looking for an all around RWD yet speedy on the straighways - alas S2000 style.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:24 AM   #21
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pretty much all the bases are covered. i was a tech at a suby/hyundai/mazda dealer. the only time they came in was for the eleventy billion recalls or if one of the salesmen rammed a curb and broke the tie rod ....i'm pretty much with sonicblue. they are really fun cars. not the fastest,but not super slow. the rotary sound is ****ing awesome to. it's a real nice car all around
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:26 AM   #22
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FWIW... It uses more gas than some large V8s SUVs do.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:26 AM   #23
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I've had mine for about 3 years and 31k miles and have trouble coming up with what car I would replace it with that isn't ridiculously impractical (Elise) or super expensive (Cayman S).

1. Reliability
I had an early build car, so I had most of the TSBs done. Only real problem I had was with a dead battery, which can happen with any car.

2. Depreciation
Like most sports cars, prob not that great, but not the worst either.

3. Rotary Issues
No issues with me. The 'engine recall' for me amounted to getting new plugs and a car wash. I had more issues with my WRX, like the on/off power delivery, the joke of a gearbox, ABS that would engage at it's own will, etc..

4. teh slow??
Depends if you know how to use a gearbox or not. If you keep the revs at around 3500-4000, you are fine. The low torque actually makes this car deceptively quick, you don't realize how fast you are going sometimes unless you look down. Again, my WRX might have been faster but the RX-8 is way easier to drive in real life where you have to deal with stop-and-go traffic.

5. Nice RWD choice?
Well balanced, awesome transmission/shifter, excellent brakes and handling. I can't think of any other RWD car that I would want/could afford. Unless Mazda releases the Kabura concept..
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I test drove one at the Mazda Zoom-Zoom event. My self-propelled lawnmower generates more torque. If I had to drive this thing every day in traffic I think I would stall it at least once a day.

The grip around the corners was tenacious, although you had to drop the clutch at 5K and let it spin to get it going.

For a track/fun car, I would consider it. For a daily driver that also would do daily driver duty, no way.
I never understand statements like this about the RX8. Yeah, below 2500 RPMs, it's no sports car. You know what else isn't at the range? A WRX. At times, I hated the often slow and gradual trip to get to boost....

I have a mixed commute and occasionally end up in a few minutes of stop-and-go. Not only have I never stalled it (is that really a torque issue, or a driver issue?), I've never even once thought to myself, 'geez, this thing is slow.'

I would sum it up this way:

* Below 2500 RPMs - not fast, not nearly, don't try it. It'll still hug the isht outta whatever curve you're in

* 2500-5000 RPMs - decent response, real fun to push into a corner

* 5000-8000 RPMs - first off, what other car could live in this range? second, oooh, that rotary sound! third, now the thing is pretty durn fast. fourth, did I mention you're still hugging the isht outta any curve?

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a perfect summary
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