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Old 12-19-2006, 03:52 PM   #1
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who is running equal spring rates f/r ?

how do you like it ?

have you experimented with other spring rates, or just equal f/r ?

this will be for a daily driver with some auto-x action and some track time when the funding allows.

thanks for the input

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Old 12-19-2006, 06:52 PM   #2
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Old 12-20-2006, 01:10 PM   #3
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I'd say it depends. You may not like it depending on your driving style, alignment, front and rear sway bars, other mods, etc.

But if done correctly, it can be great.


Are you running stock sways?



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Old 12-20-2006, 01:39 PM   #4
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I'm running the tein basic which have 280 f/r. I also have the 20mm rsb, steering rack bushings, rear strut bar, and alignment. It's my daily driver as well. I like the balance of the car in sweepers but initial turn in needs improvement. I can get the rear loose with abrupt throttle or braking; which is a nice option due to the lack of initial turn in.

Overall I like the balance of the car, the stiffer springs, (compard to stock, espically in the rear) rsb, and upper rear strut bar really help reduce the understeer in the car. I'm happy with the setup and minimal price paid for neutral handling. Hope this helps.
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Old 12-20-2006, 03:19 PM   #5
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initial turn in needs improvement.
Not to get off topic, but a front sway would help with turn in.
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Old 12-20-2006, 03:27 PM   #6
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Not to get off topic, but a front sway would help with turn in.
It's true....
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Old 12-20-2006, 03:48 PM   #7
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I have the Megan racing track series with 10k rear and 12k front with dampning little sitffer in the rear, whiteline sway bar front and progress sway rear, noltec end links front and rear, front and rear strut bars, H brace, and the turn in I think is awesome. I am pretty sure it would be better with an ALK.
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Old 12-20-2006, 07:49 PM   #8
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thanks for the info guys..... GTWORX..... i have a perrin RSB w/ endlinks

plan on doing a front sway, bushings and mounts all around, and an ALK (i dont know why their called that..... i know that they increase caster qand aid in initial turn in.... but it seems silly to call it an anti-lift-kit)
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Old 12-21-2006, 04:13 AM   #9
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I have Tein Basic Dampners. Lowered all the way and love it. a little stiff but not too stiff. I think they are perfect
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:42 AM   #10
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Ride comfort is fine with me. At slow speeds like 1-2 mph in traffic it's a little bumpy, but that's a given because of the spring rates. At speed it's not an issue. Non-car enthusiasts think it's rough, car enthusiasts say it's comfortable.

Handles well all around.
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Old 12-21-2006, 06:49 PM   #11
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I'm running DMS 40s w/ DP 280# springs F & R.... but what are you looking trune in or out of your suspension?

If you want better turn-in get fender braces and adjustable FSB/end links. Then play with tire presure, toe/camber, and SB adjustment.
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Old 12-21-2006, 06:54 PM   #12
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i know that they increase caster qand aid in initial turn in.... but it seems silly to call it an anti-lift-kit)
The Whiteline Anti Lift Kit is named such because its primary purpose deals with anti-lift geoemtry, respectively reducing both the anti-lift and anti-dive geometry of the stock chassis. The extra caster is just that, an extra side benefit they built in, but is not the primary purpose of the component. The stiffer bushing and extra static caster aid steering precision by reducing dynamic caster losses on turn in, acceleration and braking.
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Old 12-21-2006, 10:36 PM   #13
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do you guys with equal rates find it easier to balance the car through a turn using the throttle now?

how about in the other direction.... is lift throttle oversteer dramatically increased with the equal rates ?

i miss being able to balance a car using throttle like in my buddy's E30..... but im in love with my AWD
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:14 PM   #14
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to go off topic again:

how much front negative camber are you able to get with most coilovers?
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Old 12-22-2006, 08:33 PM   #15
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enough to get the outer 2 inches of tire off the ground...and fling the back all the way around.
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Old 12-25-2006, 01:12 AM   #16
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so has anybody experimented with alternate rates or no?

im looking for comparisons between some of the equal rate set-ups and something like 7k,5k, or 8k,6k....

any help would be nice... thanks
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Old 12-26-2006, 07:16 PM   #17
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Old 12-27-2006, 04:03 AM   #18
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i had jic on my 03 wagon, i think it was 8-6 something like that. it was a bumpy ride at speeds lower then 50 miles an hour, but the faster you went the smoother it got. great coilovers for roadracing but not the best for dd.
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Old 12-28-2006, 11:51 PM   #19
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still looking for more info here guys.
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Old 12-29-2006, 10:59 AM   #20
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I'm following this also.. interested too.
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Old 01-02-2007, 12:23 AM   #21
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i'm really trying to setup my car correctly here guys!

any help would be appreciated
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Old 01-02-2007, 11:09 PM   #22
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I think that most folks run the rear a little softer than the front because more of the weight of the car in in the front.

The rear is then effectively "stiffened" with a relatively stiffer sway bar relative to the front ...

... but don't jump all over me for the RSB statement above! I know that it is an over-simplification, but I want to let you know that people may not be answering because so few run equal rates front and rear.

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Old 01-03-2007, 08:16 AM   #23
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...people may not be answering because...
The OP is looking for unique info he may have to experience first hand.

Wagons are a small market, very few people run coil-overs on'm, and even fewer fully tune or modify the factory CO set ups they put on their wagon. Hell very people I know actualy align and corner balance COs; wagons or not. They just slap'm on and, yo, I gots coil-overs!

Give it a try and let us know
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Old 01-04-2007, 07:41 PM   #24
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thanks for the input. i will be getting in touch with wgnwheel when i get back to the desert. iirc his rates are 8 and 6 f/r so i will report back to all wagoneers following this thread.

until then.....

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