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Old 12-23-2006, 01:34 AM   #1
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Whats was everyone getting on the TD04?

I'm heading down the upgrade path. I also base lined my car today. Just wondering what everyone else was getting for numbers.

My TD04 hit 18PSI @ 3k rpms. Started to taper off at 4500rpm Held 12psi to redline.
AFR went 14 @ idle to 11.5 at redline.

Peak torque 290 @3500 rpm @ wheels
Peak HP 240 @ 4750 rpm @ wheels

I dont think that is all that bad for a turbo with 50k miles.
Now that I have a base, Next is the APS FMIC with a APS Turbo
Which then I'll install the tumbler deletes and the headers.
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Old 12-23-2006, 02:22 AM   #2
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ur running a little lean on the top end, want to be closer to the high 10s
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Old 12-23-2006, 02:39 AM   #3
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Yeah I would say a little lean up top.
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Old 12-23-2006, 02:47 AM   #4
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Post up your numbers... on that thread.

B.T.W. TD04 pwnds the vf34[/quote]

I put down 261 hp @ 5700 rpm and 292ft/lb @ about 4000 rpm. This was tuned @ 18psi. I feel the tuner could and should have safely brought the #'s up considering his dyno/tuning rates.....
I will now have to invest in street tuner and have someone who knows what they are doing dial it in appropriately.
I am confident when everything is tuned correctly the statement above should be:
vf34 pwnds the TD04

Although in my case it is not
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Old 12-23-2006, 03:12 AM   #5
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Post up your numbers... on that thread.

B.T.W. TD04 pwnds the vf34

I put down 261 hp @ 5700 rpm and 292ft/lb @ about 4000 rpm. This was tuned @ 18psi. I feel the tuner could and should have safely brought the #'s up considering his dyno/tuning rates.....
I will now have to invest in street tuner and have someone who knows what they are doing dial it in appropriately.
I am confident when everything is tuned correctly the statement above should be:
vf34 pwnds the TD04

Although in my case it is not
Yes you should be making more power than that. I made your numbers on less boost on a my friends car I tuned.
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Old 12-23-2006, 08:17 AM   #6
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James..
In all fairness.
That turbo does well because of the mods I have on my motor.
That torque close to stock STi. So even the STi guys should be HP is not there but torque can get the job done.
I'll get my next round of upgrades done this coming month and see where HP goes from there.

What else do you have on your car? Catback and turbo and ?
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Old 12-23-2006, 10:17 AM   #7
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Old 12-23-2006, 03:15 PM   #8
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B.T.W. TD04 pwnds the vf34
I put down 261 hp @ 5700 rpm and 292ft/lb @ about 4000 rpm. This was tuned @ 18psi. I feel the tuner could and should have safely brought the #'s up considering his dyno/tuning rates.....
I will now have to invest in street tuner and have someone who knows what they are doing dial it in appropriately.
I am confident when everything is tuned correctly the statement above should be:
vf34 pwnds the TD04

Although in my case it is not[/quote]


What mods you have?
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Old 12-23-2006, 10:39 PM   #9
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Yes you should be making more power than that. I made your numbers on less boost on a my friends car I tuned.
my car??
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Old 12-23-2006, 10:58 PM   #10
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Old 12-24-2006, 12:35 AM   #11
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I put down 261 hp @ 5700 rpm and 292ft/lb @ about 4000 rpm. This was tuned @ 18psi. I feel the tuner could and should have safely brought the #'s up considering his dyno/tuning rates.....
I will now have to invest in street tuner and have someone who knows what they are doing dial it in appropriately.
I am confident when everything is tuned correctly the statement above should be:
vf34 pwnds the TD04

Although in my case it is not
your numbers are in line with your mods. The TR does not make the same HP numbers the STI does but they make nice torque.

What does dyno/tuning rates have to do with how much HP your car can make? It is just not as simple as you make it sound. If you are unhappy with the tune, bring it back.
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What mods you have?[/quote]

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mods are: ported vf-34, STI top mount, COBB TBE.

I must say I am impressed w/ your numbers and am dissapointed that I didn't pick up any torque w/ the turbo upgrade. It seems obvious that stage three doesn't exceed stage 2 as far as torque goes.
BTW what are your exact mods? Do you have any substantial mods that would keep my last statement from holding valid.


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your numbers are in line with your mods. The TR does not make the same HP numbers the STI does but they make nice torque.

What does dyno/tuning rates have to do with how much HP your car can make? It is just not as simple as you make it sound. If you are unhappy with the tune, bring it back.
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Dyno/tuning rates have nothing to do w/ numbers, I should have stated that differently, my apologies. I am aware that subarus respond to the tune and it is known that it is in the tune where power is made. If I am unhappy what will coming back by do for me?

I made the exact amount of torque as 06Sti @ a few hundred RPM's higher with a vf-34 compared to his TD04 @ the same boost level 18psi.

I am dissapointed that a turbo upgrade didn't benefit the torque level. I realize the the TR is not as strong as an STI and I don't expect it to be. But unless 06Sti is running a far superior setup, I am baffled as to why I didn't pick up any extra torque compared to him. I am aware that this is not a simple process otherwise we would all be tuning our own cars(no offense). I am also really not concerned w/ horsepower #'s as much as I am with the torque, although it would be nice as well. Can you please explain techninally what would have caused the lack of torque increase in my case?
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Old 12-24-2006, 12:05 PM   #13
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James..... Not to push you over the edge. My car is a TR.....

But I matched my parts. @ dyno run time,
I had:
APS: CAI, Turbo Inlet, TMIC, Y pipe, 3 inch TBE, BOV
These parts were engineered to work well togther as a package, As this proves how well they work togther. I didnt think I'd be next to you or a few other people.
Lack of torque? Sounds like your not letting that turbo breath. I got 3 inches going in and 3 going out of my td04 plus that top mount is huge.
Your running that stock intake.. (from your list) I could just about stick my stock intake thru the aps unit.
If you want pm me I'll show you what I have. I belive in a efficient turbo for power. Not bolting on the big boy and letting it try to make power.
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Old 12-24-2006, 01:50 PM   #14
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James..... Not to push you over the edge. My car is a TR.....

But I matched my parts. @ dyno run time,
I had:
APS: CAI, Turbo Inlet, TMIC, Y pipe, 3 inch TBE, BOV
These parts were engineered to work well togther as a package, As this proves how well they work togther. I didnt think I'd be next to you or a few other people.
Lack of torque? Sounds like your not letting that turbo breath. I got 3 inches going in and 3 going out of my td04 plus that top mount is huge.
Your running that stock intake.. (from your list) I could just about stick my stock intake thru the aps unit.
If you want pm me I'll show you what I have. I belive in a efficient turbo for power. Not bolting on the big boy and letting it try to make power.
I am not mad by any means so please don't worry about me going over the edge. I didn't realize that an intake an turbo inlet were so valuable at these power levels.

I don't want to sound as if I just thought bigger turbo should make monsterous power, but as my my homework and research showed it is still a far cry from the numbers I had seen others putting down with the same package. I don't want to start comparing dyno's to dyno's either here. In no way am I tryin to start an argument, but I know better #'s have been acheived w/ this setup. 06Sti do you feel my numbers are adequate per my setup? Do you feel these #'s are the best that can be acheived w/ my setup?

I am confident there is a better plateau ahead as well as keeping the car/setup safe. I will not accept or run the risk of it be tuned dangerously for a couple ft/lbs of tourque or HP.

As for engineering, the stock intake turbo inlet, blocked waste gate exhaust and STI top mount were engineered to work at least at the 300 ft/lb and 300hp levels so I do not think these componenets are maxed out yet. Maybe your right I might need a better intake setup, I will be researching that more extensively now. I also have a 3in exhaust exiting the turbo so if all these componnets on my setup are are netting results w/ no room for imrpovpement, then I guess I am wrong and my logic is way off...
I am starting to think I am missing something here and as soon as I get it figured out I'll fix it.
Thanks for everyones input
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Old 12-24-2006, 02:11 PM   #15
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well what dyno where u both on i know 06sti was on dynocomps and james602 what where u on. I know that the dyno comp dyno reads higher than mynes syno by quite a bit so the difference could be in the dyno.
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Old 12-24-2006, 05:10 PM   #16
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06Sti do you feel my numbers are adequate per my setup? Do you feel these #'s are the best that can be acheived w/ my setup?James
What time of the year was your tune done? Mine was friday when it was cold and rainning. If you did your mid summer... There might be some of it right there.
You dont have any leaks in your intake? I can give you a hand looking over some stuff. I havent seen your car so its hard to say.
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I have heard that the Stock STi top mount was good to 400hp. But who knows... That needs to be handed to the mythbusters...lol

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I am confident there is a better plateau ahead as well as keeping the car/setup safe. I will not accept or run the risk of it be tuned dangerously for a couple ft/lbs of tourque or HP.
James
I do know that Rich will take care of you. Just talk with him. He can help if you never tell him whats on your mind though. I have to drive 100 miles round trip everyday. I know what your saying. When someone told me.. You really need to fix this or buy a new motor. Done deal... Lets get this thing tuned first and worry about Goodyear later... Which is now not at all.

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well what dyno where u both on i know 06sti was on dynocomps and james602 what where u on. I know that the dyno comp dyno reads higher than mynes syno by quite a bit so the difference could be in the dyno.
Dyno reading between shops really dont mean much. Everyshop is set up differant. Every tuner has their way of making sure everything is done right. Numbers do not sell tunes..... Customer Service, Safety and Reliabilty 15k miles from now do.

I have built some bikes and dynoed them in and was attacked for a high reading dyno.... The bike was redynoed at the other shop.. 25hp less..
After watching the dyno operator do a run and get this reading I then explained that spinning up the rear wheels on the dyno is why he lost 25hp on his run vs. mine...
I'm not saying this is the case here. But.. There is far to many variables in dyno work to even battle out the whole, "His is not a good run because his dyno read high." At the end of the day, Its all about making sure the car runs safe and reliable. Which any dyno or tuner should be able to pull off.

Giving good feedback after the tune also helps. If your not happy speak up. If your happy, Speak up. Being interactive before hand also goes a long way too.
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well what dyno where u both on i know 06sti was on dynocomps and james602 what where u on. I know that the dyno comp dyno reads higher than mynes syno by quite a bit so the difference could be in the dyno.
He was on the same dyno
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same dyno this past monday
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huh well from help tuning with my friend i know that all cars that my be idlentical still do not get the same power, and it could just be ur car not being as cooperative as 06sti. Some cars are freaks some arent.
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huh well from help tuning with my friend i know that all cars that my be idlentical still do not get the same power, and it could just be ur car not being as cooperative as 06sti. Some cars are freaks some arent.
Its all in the break in. 1st 600 miles I was sooooo slow and easy on her...
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I know what i did with my new motor drove it around the block check for leaks and then started tuning it up you have to break them in like your going to drive them
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screw going easy on when u break it in drive like it is going to be driven that what you are supposed to do. ^^^ im with travis

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I know what i did with my new motor drove it around the block check for leaks and then started tuning it up you have to break them in like your going to drive them

amen to that, let that ecu learn to give u all its got!
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yeah no cars are the same...
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