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Old 12-03-2007, 11:07 AM   #551
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Unfortunately, much of the discussion lately has been about drop. What are people's opinions of the RCE wagon springs' performance? How are they on the daily drive? I will be headed back to Maryland for Christmas with my family, is there anybody in the MD-VA-DC-area with the RCE wagon springs and Koni combo that would be willing to give me a ride so I can get a taste of the springs driving on different roadway surfaces? Send me a PM.
PM Dr Seuss (I think that's how its typed). He has that exact setup. I have Regular Guy springs & Konis, with more, and I'd be willing to meet you as well.
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:48 PM   #552
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Default sti pink vs rce springs

I am a little confused as the pink sti wagon springs can be used with stock struts yet the rce springs cannot be used with stock wrx struts?

is that because the rce springs are slightly less stiff and the stock shocks are less dampened to handle that?
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:56 PM   #553
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The RCE springs are stiffer then the STi pink Wagon springs. This means less body roll with ours, but they are too stiff for the stock struts to handle. They'll physically fit, but your stock struts won't last long.

Koni, Tokico, Ohlins, even KYB will work great though. And it'll handle pretty well too.

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Old 12-03-2007, 10:01 PM   #554
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Alright fellas, two heads are better than one right, so I'm hoping the 1,567 we have in here can check my new direction for me:

I ordered the RCE Wagon Springs, RCE LOWERING Front Camber Plates/Group-N Rear top hats.

I was originally going to be doing the Koni inserts, but am changing direction and going with the Tokico D-Specs, I don't track the car enough to see the extra work of the Koni's as justifiable.

I've been doing some research and my main question is: I want to leave the stock suspension intact, a pure "take-off" if you will. Do I need any screws, bolts, etc. for the new set-up besides the Scooby921 spacers?

Thanks in advance! Looking to order the D-Specs after Christmas and gettin the set-up on in January!

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Old 12-03-2007, 10:07 PM   #555
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depends on what is included with your d-specs, and if you will be using the origional 2 bolts that connect the bottom of your strut to the rest of the car. my konis included the top 3 bolts that go on each tophat, so depends on if those come with your d-specs. other than 12 nuts and 8 bolts(w/corresponding bolts) i dont think you will need anything.

some one please but them into the proper terms, I can see what im talking about in my head, but cant quite describe them
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:18 PM   #556
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I think your going to need all kinds of things- upper perches, all of the rubber upper and lower seats, strut tops, bump stops, dust boots- the list goes on.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:29 PM   #557
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I think your going to need all kinds of things- upper perches, all of the rubber upper and lower seats, strut tops, bump stops, dust boots- the list goes on.
^^^ Absolutely! ^^^
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:49 PM   #558
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Looks like he has the rear tops already (group-N), so
2 front upper spring perches, and the washers that go between the RCE plates (top hat) and the perches.
I am not using any of the perch rubber liners, NVH is increased tho.
short bump stops on 4 corners, if the D-spec doesn't come with them.
dust boots on 4 corners, should be pretty cheap from the dealer.
the nuts that goes on the top the strut shaft, if D-spec doesn't come with them.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:55 PM   #559
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depends on what is included with your d-specs, and if you will be using the origional 2 bolts that connect the bottom of your strut to the rest of the car. my konis included the top 3 bolts that go on each tophat, so depends on if those come with your d-specs. other than 12 nuts and 8 bolts(w/corresponding bolts) i dont think you will need anything.

some one please but them into the proper terms, I can see what im talking about in my head, but cant quite describe them
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Looks like he has the rear tops already (group-N), so
2 front upper spring perches, and the washers that go between the RCE plates (top hat) and the perches.
I am not using any of the perch rubber liners, NVH is increased tho.
short bump stops on 4 corners, if the D-spec doesn't come with them.
dust boots on 4 corners, should be pretty cheap from the dealer.
the nuts that goes on the top the strut shaft, if D-spec doesn't come with them.
Excellent info gentlemen! I shoulda said I was planning on the dust boots and bump stops already. I was however unaware of the rubber liners and the nut(s). That is what I needed. I will have to do some continuing research/investigation into this avenue. I need to find a suspension schematic..lol

Hell who knows, there might be one in this thread!

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Also, I may have not placed the question properly when I originally asked it, but I asked a rep from RCE if the front camber plates were a replacement (as in do they do everything that the Group-N's will do) for the Group-N fronts and they said yes. They may have misunderstood my question, I'm not sure.
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:11 PM   #560
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go to subaruparts.com- register w/ your email addy and you'll have access to their schematics, subarugenuineparts might have schematics as well- I'd suggest NOT leaving any of the rubber seats out of the mix

the front RCE plate is a direct replacement for the oe or Grp N top
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:34 PM   #561
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go to subaruparts.com- register w/ your email addy and you'll have access to their schematics, subarugenuineparts might have schematics as well- I'd suggest NOT leaving any of the rubber seats out of the mix

the front RCE plate is a direct replacement for the oe or Grp N top
BIGSKY with the quickness! Thanks man....looks like I got some studying to do tomorrow at work
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:03 AM   #562
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crap. i didnt replace any of that when i did the koni install. still rides like secks
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:11 AM   #563
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crap. i didnt replace any of that when i did the koni install. still rides like secks
OK, assuming sex with a banana is the type of thing you're into.

For anyone like the OP who wants to be able to swap the full assemblies, you need that other stuff.
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Old 12-04-2007, 01:45 AM   #564
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Alright fellas, two heads are better than one right, so I'm hoping the 1,567 we have in here can check my new direction for me:

I ordered the RCE Wagon Springs, RCE LOWERING Front Camber Plates/Group-N Rear top hats.

I was originally going to be doing the Koni inserts, but am changing direction and going with the Tokico D-Specs, I don't track the car enough to see the extra work of the Koni's as justifiable.

I've been doing some research and my main question is: I want to leave the stock suspension intact, a pure "take-off" if you will. Do I need any screws, bolts, etc. for the new set-up besides the Scooby921 spacers?

Thanks in advance! Looking to order the D-Specs after Christmas and gettin the set-up on in January!

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I have the d spec's on my car with H tech springs and will be switching to the rce springs. I like the setup I have for daily driving but sometimes it seems the spring are not enough. You will be happy with the d specs. I'm hopeing that my car will sit down alittle more the rce springs. The previous page has a pic of my car with the dspecs on. A red bugeye wagon.

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Old 12-04-2007, 03:31 AM   #565
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Alright fellas, two heads are better than one right, so I'm hoping the 1,567 we have in here can check my new direction for me:

I ordered the RCE Wagon Springs, RCE LOWERING Front Camber Plates/Group-N Rear top hats.

I was originally going to be doing the Koni inserts, but am changing direction and going with the Tokico D-Specs, I don't track the car enough to see the extra work of the Koni's as justifiable.

I've been doing some research and my main question is: I want to leave the stock suspension intact, a pure "take-off" if you will. Do I need any screws, bolts, etc. for the new set-up besides the Scooby921 spacers?

Thanks in advance! Looking to order the D-Specs after Christmas and gettin the set-up on in January!

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Aren't the D-Specs sedan specific? Since you've ordered the RCE camber plates, and don't really plan to go with a super aggressive suspension setup, this might not be a problem.

You probably already know this, but you're going to have a forward raked stance (front lower than the rear) since you picked up the RCE springs and lowering plates.

You're going to need the top nut, washer, top perch, bump stop, dust boot, rubber grommet for the front. You'll need the top nut, washer, bump stop, dust boot, and rubber grommet for the rear.



Anybody have suggestions on storing my stock setup? Should they be standing up/laying down? Should they be compressed? I don't think I'll be using them for the next 3-5 years....assuming nothing bad happens.
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Old 12-04-2007, 10:05 AM   #566
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Aren't the D-Specs sedan specific? Since you've ordered the RCE camber plates, and don't really plan to go with a super aggressive suspension setup, this might not be a problem.

The D-Specs are sedan specific and at this point in time I am willing to sacrifice the camber, if I get more serious in the future I may move onto Koni's.

You probably already know this, but you're going to have a forward raked stance (front lower than the rear) since you picked up the RCE springs and lowering plates.

Yesm, I love a racked stance!

You're going to need the top nut, washer, top perch, bump stop, dust boot, rubber grommet for the front. You'll need the top nut, washer, bump stop, dust boot, and rubber grommet for the rear.

EXCELLENT! Thank you! This is exactly what I needed! Looks like I'll be ordering up some more stuff With my last car we tore apart the stock suspension for parts for the new stuff and I don't want to do that this time, I want to be able to swap them IF needed.

Anybody have suggestions on storing my stock setup? Should they be standing up/laying down? Should they be compressed? I don't think I'll be using them for the next 3-5 years....assuming nothing bad happens.
I am also wondering what the best storage practice would be!

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Tokicos come with their own top nut right?


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Old 12-04-2007, 01:39 PM   #568
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Unfortunately, much of the discussion lately has been about drop. What are people's opinions of the RCE wagon springs' performance? How are they on the daily drive?
I've been on the RCE Wagon springs for a couple of months, first with KYB AGX, and now with Tokico D-Specs. Previous to the RCE springs, I was on Tein H-Techs [224/195 rates] with the AGX. I am using standard top hats all around, Perrin adjustable rear sway [on middle setting], Perrin endlinks front and rear. Summer tires are Pirelli P-Zero Nero 225/45-17, winters are Nokian Hakka Q in stock sizing. The struts are turned 4 from full hard in the front and 4.5 ffh in the rear. I started out with 3/3.5, but there just wasn't enough compliance at lower speeds. I still haven't had an alignment done - I put in camber bolts up front and eyeballed it. I'll go in and get it done next Monday. Power is about 280 at the crank [guesstimate].

Compared to the Tein springs, the RCE have better low-speed compliance, which make it a lot nicer to get around parking lots with speed bumps, as well as rutted back alleys and driveways. While obviously not nearly as plush as stock springs/struts, it's not bad. The residential roads in my neighbourhood are old, rippled, cracked and pot holed. At lower speeds [30 mph or less], you will definitely feel the terrain, but it is muted. My wife drives the car more than I do [but I drive it faster ], and she has no complaints thus far.

At higher speeds [30+ mph], the combination of spring and strut really shines. Cornering on flat turns really does feel good. There is much less body roll than with the Tein springs, and the feel through high-speed sweeping turns is confidence-inspiring.

When launching, the effect of the stiffer rear springs is pronounced. It's almost like having an ALK installed. I have yet to detect any rubbing in the front or rear. When braking hard, there is far less dive, and the ABS doesn't seem to kick in as much. This is a good thing.

The main negative around these springs would be the lack of low-speed compliance. It's possible to tune most of that out with the struts, but there will always be some harshness. A better strut will make for a better ride, and I'd like to get a ride on these springs with some Ohlins struts one day. That said, I didn't want the car to handle like a Taurus, so I'm 100% fine with a little more thump as a trade-off.

I hope that helps!
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Old 12-11-2007, 05:03 PM   #570
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Ok, so Im about to order all my suspension parts and want to make sure this is completely clear in my head.

I have a MY02 Wagon.

I plan to order Tokico DSP-10 D-Specs, RCE Street/Track Wagon Springs, RCE Camber Plates, Rear GroupN 04 Top Hats, and the TiC Spacers. Is this everything I need besides what I can source from my existing suspension?

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You would need to modify our included top nut or source a new one for the camber plates to work on Tokicos, which use a different thread pitch. Our latest camber plates include a new inset style top nut.

You may just want to use 04+ Konis as they have no issues. You would then no longer need the TIC spacers either. Everything else is good to go!


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Hmm, I really wasnt into hacking up my shocks to install the Konis...I wish I had a spare set of wagon struts. I DO have a spare set of MY02 WRX Sedan struts but that doesnt help me much.....sometimes I wish I had an 04 sedan haha, then id never have any issues.

Inset top nut sounds pretty sick...is that something I could source relatively easily? The D-Specs are considerably cheaper then the konis as well, something Im definitely keeping in mind. Could I just retap your included top nut? Or use the one included with the D-specs?

Thanks for the quick reply

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You may be able to just retap our nuts () and if not, a machine shop could make you a set pretty easily. That might be the best/easiest solution.

The Koni install isn't bad though, just seems like sourcing wagon struts is a bit of a problem these days. Most people just do it on their current struts. There is a write-up on the install stickied in this forum.


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there have been a couple of oe wagon struts for sale the last couple of weeks- sell the sedan ones to make up some of the $
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there have been a couple of oe wagon struts for sale the last couple of weeks- sell the sedan ones to make up some of the $
thanks for the idea, the D-Specs are also cheaper then the konis.....by a bunch. But thats not a bad idea.

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