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Old 08-31-2008, 01:19 PM   #751
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How do these things work with stock STi struts?
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Old 08-31-2008, 01:28 PM   #752
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I'd say they would probably be fine as there are many STi guys running the "regular guy" RCE springs which have rates/drop very similar to the wagon springs. The vast majority of them being on oe STi dampers.
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Old 08-31-2008, 06:18 PM   #753
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I'd say they would probably be fine as there are many STi guys running the "regular guy" RCE springs which have rates/drop very similar to the wagon springs. The vast majority of them being on oe STi dampers.
Awesome, I'd love something stiffer than the STi takeoffs. I've got stock 06 wheels with stock re92's, could that be why I get body roll? (soft sidewalls?)
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Old 08-31-2008, 06:35 PM   #754
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you'll get some body roll even w/ the stiffer RCE wagon springs, but certainly less

the RE92's contribute directly to grip (or lack there of) but little to nothing as far as body roll

not sure what your running for sway bars, but they help w/ roll stiffness
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Old 08-31-2008, 07:32 PM   #755
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you'll get some body roll even w/ the stiffer RCE wagon springs, but certainly less

the RE92's contribute directly to grip (or lack there of) but little to nothing as far as body roll

not sure what your running for sway bars, but they help w/ roll stiffness
I'm running WL F/R and WL endlinks F/R. Rear is 23mm adj and front is 22mm adj I believe. Front is set to stiff, rear is set to either middle or soft.
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Old 08-31-2008, 07:45 PM   #756
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your good to go then- the RCE springs will definitely help the roll stiffness over your current STi takeoff springs
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Old 08-31-2008, 11:09 PM   #757
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i think TIC has a "large amount of people" buy going on somewhere on the boards

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Notice I didnt say group buy......
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Old 09-01-2008, 11:18 PM   #758
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Is there only one make of RCE wagon springs? If so are they universal for WRX meaning fitting any wagon year? Thus, it will fit my 03?
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Old 09-01-2008, 11:27 PM   #759
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will fit any wagon 02-07, the 02/03's will need a 04+ style rear top

if you go w/ Koni as your damper just order the 04+ inserts, if you go w/ Tokico or the like in addition order the TIC spacers for the rear
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Old 09-02-2008, 12:09 AM   #760
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I am planning to install Konis and RCE springs. Now an opinion question:
Would you run RCE wagon springs again if you had a new born child? I have one on the way. How firm are we talking here?
I have wagon pinks springs sitting in a box and Konis are soon to be bought...
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I just put RCE wagon springs, Group N front tophats and Konis on my 03 wagon 8 days ago. Wife didn't even notice (harhar)...don't have a baby though.
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:28 AM   #761
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I just put RCE wagon springs, Group N front tophats and Konis on my 03 wagon 8 days ago. Wife didn't even notice (harhar)...don't have a baby though.
Did she notice the install time ?
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Old 09-02-2008, 06:14 PM   #762
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Did she notice the install time ?
Thanks great to know.
Have you had any ground clearence issues yet? (Speed bumps, angled drive ways, parking stall bumpers ..?)
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:18 PM   #763
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Did she notice the install time ?
Hey wife, going to go over to buddy's house who happens to have a very complete set of tools, used to race spec miatas, and built an EK civic from the ground up to go, uh, watch Formula 1 qualifying this morning.

I'll call you when I'm done...

What's funny is that she noticed the other day that the exterior door handle felt lower when she pulled on it to open the door...which is when I finally told her. I was just waiting to see if she would notice.

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Thanks great to know.
Have you had any ground clearence issues yet? (Speed bumps, angled drive ways, parking stall bumpers ..?)
No, the combo doesn't drop the car too much. It's a very reasonable daily use setup. I've been driving on some crappy roads on purpose (a lot of construction, crappy asphalt transitions, etc) and really haven't had any problems. Haven't hit any parking bumpers yet, but I've always parked a bit back, but it's obvious that I will clear most of them and curbs as well. No problem at all with speed bumps. I have driven out of a few parking lots with steep exits (and the accompanying scrapes on the street from cars exiting too fast) and haven't had a problem. Of course, YMMV.

Seriously, great setup. Looks great. Gives the my wagon a nice wheel gap and level appearance. It all just works well.

I'm still waiting on the alignment, so I can't tell you about the performance so much yet...but for sure, car feels more planted.
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:29 AM   #764
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Thanks great to know.
Have you had any ground clearence issues yet? (Speed bumps, angled drive ways, parking stall bumpers ..?)
I haven't either on my '02 wagon with new Konis and RCE wagon springs otherwise stock. I am still leery of parking bumpers and curbs, though, until I get more experience with the setup. I'll be trying another track school in the next month or so.
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Old 09-03-2008, 10:11 AM   #765
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I'm running the sedan-spec springs (RCE Regular Guy) with RCE lowering plates in front, so I set a little lower than the wagon springs, and I've only had issues with my cat shield scraping on some of the higher speed bumps. Its the TurboXS setup, which sits lower anyway. And I installed these when my daughter was about 1, and 2 days later took a 500 mile road trip with her in the car. She's now almost 2, and has been in the car just about every day, and I still don't think its too harsh.
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Old 09-03-2008, 10:39 AM   #766
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^ just noticed your vehicle moniker
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Old 09-08-2008, 10:34 PM   #767
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anyone else wanting RCE wagon springs get on that group buy and save some more $: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1575151
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Old 03-17-2009, 11:18 PM   #768
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Installed these a couple of days ago. Was running on wagon pink/koni combo, now running on RCE Wagons/koni.

These springs are very, very good.

From a daily driver aspect, they actually seem just as comfortable (if not a little more) than the pinks - I don't know if they're more progressive, or just work better with the konis, or I'm out to lunch - but somehow they feel less harsh. I never felt the pink/koni combo was perfect - no matter what the konis were set at - maybe something about the bump/rebound/spring rate relationship, but the RCE's seem a better match for the konis and hence seem to provide a better overall ride. Sharp impacts still are not good, but no worse than pinks - and the WRX in general was never good at taking sharp impacts anyway.

Performance-wise, the most immediate thing I noticed was the car was more neutral, but very controllable and predictable. Kind of like the rotation you get with a big rear bar, except much more controllable. No guessing, no surprises, a lot of confidence. Feels like you can spend more time with the throttle down, which is great for fun - and great for lap times! With the pinks the car felt kind of "hard" and tipsy, but with the RCE springs it feels like the car hunkers through turns. Almost like the turns are slightly banked (the good way) compared to the pinks. Extremely satisfying.

And there's less pitching on accel/braking.

As far as ride heights - on pinks, I was
14.25 FL 14.5 FR

13.875 RL 13.9375 RR

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13.75 14

13.375 13.5

So overall, almost exactly 1/2" drop from pinks all around. I'm not certain the measuring surface was perfectly flat, but it was consistent between both sets of measurements. I think the RCE springs are functionally a *bit* too low for my personal preference - I think I'd prefer about 1/4" higher all around, but I have to admit with a lower profile tire (245/40-17) and lower offset rim the wheel well/tire look is very good.

The rest of my setup - additional camber bolts up front, GrN tops F/R, 22mm WL adj rear sway on medium. I'll be putting on my 22mm WL adj front bar pretty soon - mostly I'll go full stiff on the sways all around. Konis are set at 3/4 turn FFS(oft) front, 7/8 FFS rear. I'll probably stiffen the konis a bit more. On the wagon pinks, I'd run the konis between 1/2-3/4 front, 3/4 rear. As suggested by Myles, I cut 1/2" off the front bumpstops.

Oh - and I think it's too much spring for 4 yr old 205/55-16 snow tires
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Old 03-17-2009, 11:26 PM   #769
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i have the yellows and they dont drop my car much
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Old 03-18-2009, 01:58 PM   #770
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I love the RCE's Wagons on Koni struts. My results and settings are similar to Mind's. I went from stock and found this setup to be actually more comfortable on smooth roads. Pot-holed roads, not so much--but more so because of the cringe-inducing bumps. But, that is the sacrifice. I feel the Whiteline ALK contributes more to the NVH and some discomfort more than the springs do, though.
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:13 PM   #771
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I love the RCE's Wagons on Koni struts. My results and settings are similar to Mind's. I went from stock and found this setup to be actually more comfortable on smooth roads. Pot-holed roads, not so much--but more so because of the cringe-inducing bumps. But, that is the sacrifice. I feel the Whiteline ALK contributes more to the NVH and some discomfort more than the springs do, though.
Good to hear. This is the setup I've decided on for my DD/autocross wrx wagon. I currently have swift wagon springs on tokico d-specs, group n tophats, and camber bolts f/r -1.5*/-1.5* camber. I really like this for daily driving and 'spirited' runs, but I don't think the swifts will cut it in autox (SM) with very sticky tires. The other thing I'm down on is the loss of negative camber up front with the d-specs since they are sedan specific. -1.5* was the maximum I could get out of the front of this setup during alignment. Oh well, that's suspension for ya! Trial and error, trial and error, etc.........

Edit: I'm also running with 25.4mm hollow (22mm solid equivalent) sway bars with solid end links. Those of you looking for a good DD setup on the wagon may look into doing what I listed above, but keep the stock struts or go with gr2's instead of the d-specs. It's a great compromise between comfort and performance if you don't plan on racing your car.

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Old 03-19-2009, 12:37 PM   #772
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Good to hear. This is the setup I've decided on for my DD/autocross wrx wagon. I currently have swift wagon springs on tokico d-specs, group n tophats, and camber bolts f/r -1.5*/-1.5* camber. I really like this for daily driving and 'spirited' runs, but I don't think the swifts will cut it in autox (SM) with very sticky tires. The other thing I'm down on is the loss of negative camber up front with the d-specs since they are sedan specific. -1.5* was the maximum I could get out of the front of this setup during alignment. Oh well, that's suspension for ya! Trial and error, trial and error, etc.........

Edit: I'm also running with 25.4mm hollow (22mm solid equivalent) sway bars with solid end links. Those of you looking for a good DD setup on the wagon may look into doing what I listed above, but keep the stock struts or go with gr2's instead of the d-specs. It's a great compromise between comfort and performance if you don't plan on racing your car.

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Are you running 2 camber bolts up front. or just 1? I have 2 camber bolts (stock in the top, aftermarket in the bottom) and I get -2.5 camber. No camber plates (stock tops). Of course I am on stock wagon struts (w/ koni inserts).
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Are you running 2 camber bolts up front. or just 1? I have 2 camber bolts (stock in the top, aftermarket in the bottom) and I get -2.5 camber. No camber plates (stock tops). Of course I am on stock wagon struts (w/ koni inserts).
What's your front ride height?
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Are you running 2 camber bolts up front. or just 1? I have 2 camber bolts (stock in the top, aftermarket in the bottom) and I get -2.5 camber. No camber plates (stock tops). Of course I am on stock wagon struts (w/ koni inserts).
1 stock and 1 aftermarket like you. I've read that about .7 positive camber is gained after going to sedan struts which seems pretty accurate if you're getting -2.5.

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What's your front ride height?
About 13.5". Rear is at 13.5" rear passenger and 13.25" rear driver. It probably goes without saying, but the springs are RCE wagon springs... STI group N tops in rear and stock 02 tops in front.

(note, ~0.25" measurement error )
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