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Old 12-30-2013, 07:45 PM   #1
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Alright guys I'm pretty sure I'm going to run e85 this time around. Just curious what you think would be the best injector for me to run with a built ej257 and a gt3076r.
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:10 PM   #2
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:14 PM   #3
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Isnt E85 like corn fuel ?
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:22 PM   #4
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Id1300 ..id1000s will be close without a big bump in fuel pressure


I'm in the same boat between $500 id1000s and bumping pressure or $900 id1300s and it probably being the better choice.
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:23 PM   #5
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Fuel injector clinic.

I.d. injectors are known for having problems with e85. Read their website.
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:44 PM   #6
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Fuel injector clinic.

I.d. injectors are known for having problems with e85. Read their website.
They both use Bosch EV14 injectors. The good thing about the ID1300s though is they use all stainless internals and are good for any fuel known to man. To bad they cost a ton.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:22 PM   #7
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On the VF48 with ID1000s (with aftermarket rails, lines and parallel setup) and a base fuel pressure of 46psi, I was barely pushing 60% duty.

Now with the Dom1.5 on E85 I am pushing 93%duty, WOT at 6800RPM.

They should be fine for up to a turbo like the dom1.5. Anymore than that and you'll want to get some bigger ones.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:23 PM   #8
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ID1300's, well worth the money. I got mine from here. http://www.t1racedevelopment.com/
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:24 PM   #9
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I just bought a set of 1300s for my build. 100% stainless internals. Approved for all known fuel types.
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:05 AM   #10
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Fuel injector clinic.

I.d. injectors are known for having problems with e85. Read their website.
Meh I kind of disagree and agree. I would go as far to say %80+ of builds in the last couple months under 450whp and on e-85 are on id1000s. That's like the go to injector for running e-85 in our cars. I never had any problems
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:56 AM   #11
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:57 AM   #12
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Fuel injector connection http://fuelinjectorconnection.com/sh...=191&groupid=9 That's what I'll probably drop down to from id2000 since I'm on stock ecu will see

These are un modified unlike id and FIC

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Old 12-31-2013, 11:44 AM   #13
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EV14 injectors can't be modified. You can order them in an assortment of different configurations and spray patterns and whatnot but neither ID or fuel injector clinic do any internal modifications to the EV14 injector.
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EV14 injectors can't be modified. You can order them in an assortment of different configurations and spray patterns and whatnot but neither ID or fuel injector clinic do any internal modifications to the EV14 injector.
Good to know. Any proof? I wonder why ID stopped selling these 1600 they look the same no?
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I agree with the majority of what has been said above. 1000cc is nowhere near enough for a 30r on E85. How do I know? Because I have a 30r on E85 with 1000cc injectors. At stock fuel pressure it was tagging 100% IDC at about 16 psi. I bumped the fuel pressure up to 65 psi base and can now hit about 21 psi before hitting 100% IDC. Now I need to swap out my pair of 255s for a pair of 044s and bump the pressure up even higher.

You need 1300cc minimum, don't go smaller unless you plan on overhauling your fuel system and raising the pressure.
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Old 12-31-2013, 12:14 PM   #16
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Good to know. Any proof? I wonder why ID stopped selling these 1600 they look the same no?
The ID 1600s had major problems with fuel temperature changing the flow rate.
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Old 12-31-2013, 12:19 PM   #17
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Isnt E85 like corn fuel ?
Either you're a troll or a moron, either way GTFO

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sorry ill pass on the corn gasoline im not broke
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The ID 1600s had major problems with fuel temperature changing the flow rate.

Ah I did read that on Honda-tech iirc way back before buying my id2000.

I wonder if it's the same with these bad boys. Watch the video lmk what you think.
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Old 12-31-2013, 12:23 PM   #19
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I.d. injectors are known for having problems with e85. Read their website.
What part? All I see is this:
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Fuel Compatibility - Compatible With All Known Fuels
http://injectordynamics.com/injectors/id1000/
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Old 12-31-2013, 12:33 PM   #20
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Yeah they state using them with e85 or ethanol at least
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Old 12-31-2013, 06:19 PM   #21
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Good to know. Any proof? I wonder why ID stopped selling these 1600 they look the same no?
ID found out that their supplier of ID1600 cores were relabeling CNG injectors are "gasoline" injectors. This resulted in extremely poor scaling of liquid fuels. ID recalled all of them and gave everyone a free upgrade to ID2000s.

ID1300s are a special core designed specifically for ID by Bosch - ID is the only company making and selling them. It uses 100% stainless steel internals so it can work with any liquid fuel including 100% methanol/ethanol.

ID1000s are approved for use with E85 but because they do not have stainless internals you need to flush it out with gas every now and then, and remember never to store the car for long periods with E85 in the system. If you're putting the car in storage, for example, over winter, always flush out the fuel system with pure non-ethanol gas and fuel stabilizer.

Not saying that with ID1300s you shouldn't, but it's "less of an issue" on the 1300s because of the stainless construction.

DW1300s are NOT the same as ID1300s.

Most of us are familiar with flowrate matching injectors - where injectors shipped in a particular batch to a customer are flowrate matched. ID goes one step further and latency matches all of their injectors.
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I already know all of that info except the CNG part I had forgotten that info since it was useless. But thanks for reposting for those new to e85 and the id2000. How do they do such matching without modifying?
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Buy large batches of injectors and pick and choose. Some probably never get matched if nothing is close to them.
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:36 PM   #24
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Buy large batches of injectors and pick and choose. Some probably never get matched if nothing is close to them.
Sounds like fun. What about the latency claim?
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Old 01-02-2014, 01:55 PM   #25
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I have perrin fuel rails that came on the car. I didn't do the mod so I'm not sure if they change the fuel pressure or not. I know they provide fuel to each injector more evenly but given the fact I have these fuel rails does that change which injector you guys reccomend?
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