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Old 01-03-2007, 12:20 AM   #1
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I am deciding which model of the impreza to get, either the 2007 2.5i or the 2006 wrx. I definitely want to do some modding, even though i only know a few things about it. I also want something that puts out a good amount of performance, but can still be a daily driver. I current have about 15,000 saved up, but im not sure which one to get. Ive also been told the 2.5i is not worth modding, because its easier to just buy a wrx. I was wondering if i could get some opinions and recommendations as to what to do. (my family seems to suggest the 2.5i though, as they think it will meet my needs more)
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Old 01-03-2007, 12:31 AM   #2
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What are these needs that your family thinks the 2.5i will meet? I will agree that modding the 2.5i is a big waste if you're looking for real gains. Might as well start with 250ish HP.
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Old 01-03-2007, 12:33 AM   #3
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I was in the same position. Definitely get the WRX. If you haven't driven them side by side, do so, you won't look back. I put down 15.7k on my WRX and financed the rest. Although look at the insurance and make sure that is affordable before you jump in. Good luck.
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Old 01-03-2007, 12:34 AM   #4
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wrx + accessport= pure sex
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Old 01-03-2007, 01:38 AM   #5
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My family is looking on the more economic side of things, they say i will be getting better mileage out of the 2.5, and i need to "look to the future" because gas prices may go up even further. (they are about 2.60 for 89 octane, and 2.83 for 91.) They say that the performance of the 2.5 is higher than average, and the 173 horsepower is a lot of power, and they dont see why that shouldnt satisfy my power hunger.

another quick question of my own, if u you were to completely mod out a 2.5, where would it end up? i mean, its stock 173hp with 166 ft/lb torque. and if u modify a wrx, how much more do you get out of it compared to the 2.5?
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Old 01-03-2007, 01:55 AM   #6
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You get a lot more out of the wrx than the 2.5i. Also if you are looking for economic the 2.5 isn't exactly ideal. The only real benefit is the AWD and crash safety. If you are looking for economic try a civic or corolla because those things get awesome fuel mileage. An SI wouldn't be half bad either considering it has lots of power and its a gas saver. You won't have torque though, but who cares if whats important is the gas. I would still get a WRX though for the performance =)
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Old 01-03-2007, 02:15 AM   #7
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if you are worrying about fuel economy i would not suggest getting a subaru in reality they are not great on gas, like was mentioned civics or corollas would be a much smarter choice. you might also consider the VW GTi (new version) as it offers decent performance, mpg, and price.

also the difference in mpg between the two subarus is about 2 per gallon (depending on your driving) which adds up tank to tank, but i think it rather minimal overall. Like was mentioned check out the prices of insurance to see if you can really afford it first so that you aren't living beyond your means.
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Old 01-03-2007, 02:24 AM   #8
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Well my dad was going to put me under his policy, so the insurance isnt going to be too bad. I really like the AWD features of subaru, and i do want to stick with japanese manufacturers. But what about the modification on both cars? what can you do with each one, and what does it actually do for the car?
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Old 01-03-2007, 02:32 AM   #9
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If you are concerned about gas I would most definately suggest a civic si. You can still have some fun modding it, it comes with a fair bit of power, and you will save on gas compared to a subaru.
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Old 01-03-2007, 02:36 AM   #10
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Well gas prices and insurance arent gonna be the hugest deal for me, its mainly the financing of the car, and prices of mods, the overall cost of the car + mods compared to the performance i am getting.
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Old 01-03-2007, 05:28 AM   #11
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another quick question of my own, if u you were to completely mod out a 2.5, where would it end up? i mean, its stock 173hp with 166 ft/lb torque. and if u modify a wrx, how much more do you get out of it compared to the 2.5?
Say you have $10,000 to spend on mods... You'd be able to add maybe 75 hp to the 2.5i. OR, you could add 200+ hp to the WRX and it would still be more reliable than the modded 2.5i.
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Old 01-03-2007, 11:07 AM   #12
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There's no way the 2.5i meets your needs more than a WRX aside from the really negligible gas mileage saving. The WRX is the same car with better suspension, engine, a turbo, better seats (i think), better rims, with all the same AWD and 4 doors action that you love. Get the WRX and don't look back. You're looking for a fun, quick car and you'll have your socks blown off with the wrx..not so much with the 2.5i (even though it is a great car)
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Old 01-03-2007, 11:08 AM   #13
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Say you have $10,000 to spend on mods... You'd be able to add maybe 75 hp to the 2.5i. OR, you could add 200+ hp to the WRX and it would still be more reliable than the modded 2.5i.
exactly.
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Old 01-03-2007, 01:03 PM   #14
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As much as I love them, Subarus cannot do everything. Someone asked me to recommend a roomy AWD car with good power and great gas mileage .... and that beastie just doesn't exist -- driving 4 wheels takes more energy than 2.

If you want gas mileage + modability, it's Honda or VW for the sheer size of the aftermarket. Maybe Scion, too.

If you want out of the box fun/decent mileage, Mazdaspeed. I don't believe that the aftermarket for Mazda is a large as for Honda, VW, or Subaru.

For out of the box fun + AWD + modability, WRX.

But I'd recommend learning how to drive any car first in stock form (it's pretty potent), meaning some autocross/HPDE/winter driving schools/etx, then start the mods. The way a lot of people do mods, it's power power power, but you'll be faster doing tires/wheels, suspension, brakes, then power.

In other words, mod the driver first, then the car
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Old 01-03-2007, 02:15 PM   #15
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In other words, mod the driver first, then the car

Cannot say it any better.
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Old 01-03-2007, 02:41 PM   #16
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The only problem i see getting a wrx, is that once i have it, i wont have any money to do mods, because a lot of it will be going into my car payment. Just out of curiosity, what kind of vw's would you recommend for modding, because i have also heard good things about the new rabbit.
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Old 01-03-2007, 02:59 PM   #17
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The only problem i see getting a wrx, is that once i have it, i wont have any money to do mods, because a lot of it will be going into my car payment.
Learn to drive the WRX, put your money into a local car club membership and do some auto-x, track days, collision avoidance drills. Learn how to handle the car -- the limits are really quite high and it's pretty forgiving -- you get a LOT of notice that what you are doing may not be the best idea (understeer). As you add mods (stickier tires, better brake pads, swaybars, shocks/springs), you will get an idea of how to drive faster. But you don't need the WRX to figure a lot of this stuff out, you can do it in any car.

You will see what I mean when you head out to the track for a HPDE and have to give point bys to cars with half the power that are being driven by someone with a lot more practice.

Also, keep in mind if you can't afford mods/payment, you should seriously reconsider modding the car at all - especially to make more power. Wheels and suspension mods don't wear out, but when you start stressing the motor and driveline (meaning putting 100's more HP down), you are going to wear expensive stuff out much faster. So you could be stuck with a blown engine and no cash to fix it, and still have a payment, and no hope of warranty coverage when you have installed a bov, uppipe/downpipe, AP, ECU reprogram, new exhaust, etc.

Also, the money spent maintaining my WRX has been considerably higher than my wife's Honda and my old Corolla -- more fluid changes, tires/brakes more often (but a lot of that is me ), plugs more often. Luckily I can do a lot of the work myself (WRX's are pretty easy to work on) but expect to spend a few hundred every 30K miles for the services, plus another couple hundred if you don't DIY. A decent set of tires is going to run about 500 for a set (tires+mounting+balance) and you will go through those after 30K miles. So depending on how much you drive you are most likely going to shell out about $3-500/yr for maintenance, on top of payments+insurance.

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Old 01-03-2007, 03:09 PM   #18
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and the 173 horsepower is a lot of power, and they dont see why that shouldnt satisfy my power hunger.

umm....no.
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Old 01-03-2007, 03:31 PM   #19
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You've pretty much summed it up.

Get the WRX if you want to mod AT ALL.

Well. Get the WRX if you can afford it no matter what, and it's not you're first car, and you're not some immature 16 year old with no driving experience.

And then enjoy!!
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You could always get a gently destroyed EVO VIII for a good price...
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Well gas prices and insurance arent gonna be the hugest deal for me, its mainly the financing of the car, and prices of mods, the overall cost of the car + mods compared to the performance i am getting.
Finally someone who is into performance and can sacrifice gas prices and insurance!!

Gee...I thought I was the only one.
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Old 01-03-2007, 03:43 PM   #22
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and the 173 horsepower is a lot of power, and they dont see why that shouldnt satisfy my power hunger.
400hp is a lot of power. not 173. it might satisfy your power hunger for a little bit, but even in my wrx I'm still power hungry, and I'm at stage 2.
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Old 01-03-2007, 03:43 PM   #23
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sounds like you need a lightly used WRX. You can pay for it in total for $15k then save what you would pay monthly on a new car for mods or just keep it.


FYI the new VW is not that great for performance driving. Check out the latest issue of grassrootsmotorsports www.grassrootsmotorsports.com they did not have nice things to say about it.
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Old 01-03-2007, 03:55 PM   #24
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Say you have $10,000 to spend on mods... You'd be able to add maybe 75 hp to the 2.5i. OR, you could add 200+ hp to the WRX and it would still be more reliable than the modded 2.5i.
if you had 10k i would think you would get around the same power. Think about it would would prob. replace the turbo and everything on the wrx..and a gt35r turbo kit is like 4000 bucks
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Old 01-03-2007, 03:58 PM   #25
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buy an 06 WRX, trust me, you will never regret it. you don't need to mod it for it to be fun, it's already 10 lbs of fun in a 5 lb bag. Like they said earlier, take your time and learn how to drive it, i was shocked at how much the handling has improved by keeping my tires at 36 front and 35 rear. Accessport is fun but not at all necessary especially now that we have the 2.5 block. The 2.5i is i'm sure a great car, but it would not be wise to buy an 07 2.5i over an 06 WRX, you would grow bored of the car very quickly and always be whishing you bought the WRX. Plus, i bet you could find a great deal on an 06 WRX, new or used. Good luck with whatever you purchase!
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