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Old 01-03-2007, 09:47 PM   #1
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Default Class Action Law Suit against Subaru cheap paint?

I've read complaints on NASIOC for over a year and a half now about "cheep" Subaru paint. I didn't really understand what the deal was because I hadn't had any personal experience. But on Christmas Eve my lovely wife (of over 31 years, yes I'll keep her for a while longer) was in the garage getting an ice chest (large plastic kind) off the storage shelf beside my car. The shelf is about 6' in the air, and she dropped the chest on the left front fender of my car. It made a dent about 2.5" in diameter and 1/2" deep, but what made it REAL noticeable was the fact that it took off a chunk of paint about 1.5" wide. I mean it was right down to bare metal. There was no primer, sealant or anything, just bare metal that started rusting that day. The body shop I showed it too was kind of surprised too, but he still wanted to charge me $900.00 to fix it.

Makes you wonder if Subaru isn't in kahoots with the body repair guys. But back to my subject, if there are so many people complaining about the paint maybe it's something worthy of a class action law suit (CALS). I mean if the paint job is really defective, like NO primer coat, maybe we could get our cars painted properly. Has anyone heard anything about a CALS?
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Old 01-03-2007, 09:54 PM   #2
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Great. Subaru owners will get useless Maaco coupons or some such non-value reward, plus higher prices on future cars, and some lawyers will get a great big paycheck.

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Old 01-03-2007, 09:54 PM   #3
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Are you stupid?

Seriously, a halfway decent lawyer would have this thrown out of court in minutes, and SOA's lawyers are a bit better than half-assed.

Your wife dropped a shelf on your car, deal with it.
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Old 01-03-2007, 10:08 PM   #4
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Are you stupid?

Seriously, a halfway decent lawyer would have this thrown out of court in minutes, and SOA's lawyers are a bit better than half-assed.

Your wife dropped a shelf on your car, deal with it.
Perhaps if you'd read my post a little more carefully you wouldn't think I was so stupid. If you had actually read my post, and you had better than third grade reading comprehension, you would see that she dropped an ice chest on the car.

I have read literally hundreds of posts complaining about Subaru paint, so if expecting a community of 100,000+ people to want to do something about defective paint makes me stupid, then I guess you've got me...

Did I mistakenly post this in OT?
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Old 01-03-2007, 10:15 PM   #5
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Perhaps if you'd read my post a little more carefully you wouldn't think I was so stupid. If you had actually read my post, and you had better than third grade reading comprehension, you would see that she dropped an ice chest on the car.
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Old 01-03-2007, 10:18 PM   #6
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yeah . lawsuit.

good luck with that
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Old 01-03-2007, 10:19 PM   #7
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Are you stupid?

Seriously, a halfway decent lawyer would have this thrown out of court in minutes, and SOA's lawyers are a bit better than half-assed.

Your wife dropped a shelf on your car, deal with it.
Shelf, cooler whatever your wife damaged the car....
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Old 01-03-2007, 10:21 PM   #8
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Did I mistakenly post this in OT?
no, but its been covered a million times. should've bought a kia, dentless body panels FTW! you got a chance to look, feel, and admire the paint the first day you bought the car and should have realized that it sucked. this situation is the same thing as if you were to complain after getting a ticket for speeding. your wife damaged the car and you blame subaru for it? lol...
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Old 01-03-2007, 10:25 PM   #9
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The cooler still shouldn't have taken the paint AND primer off; maybe the paint and a good dent but not 1.5" of primer missing!

I doubt that you'll be able to get anything going against Subaru. Folks around here may hate the paint but they are still Subaru aficionados.
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Old 01-03-2007, 10:34 PM   #10
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Perhaps if you'd read my post a little more carefully you wouldn't think I was so stupid. If you had actually read my post, and you had better than third grade reading comprehension, you would see that she dropped an ice chest on the car.

I have read literally hundreds of posts complaining about Subaru paint, so if expecting a community of 100,000+ people to want to do something about defective paint makes me stupid, then I guess you've got me...

Did I mistakenly post this in OT?


Sorry, ice chest, thanks for making my point even stronger.

BTW it is spelled cheap, so I guess my third grade reading comprehension kicks the crap out of your second grade spelling
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Old 01-03-2007, 10:38 PM   #11
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Sorry, ice chest, thanks for making my point even stronger.

BTW it is spelled cheap, so I guess my third grade reading comprehension kicks the crap out of your second grade spelling
ahahaaaa....
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Old 01-03-2007, 10:38 PM   #12
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The cooler still shouldn't have taken the paint AND primer off; maybe the paint and a good dent but not 1.5" of primer missing!

I doubt that you'll be able to get anything going against Subaru. Folks around here may hate the paint but they are still Subaru aficionados.
Paint can only flex so far.

A 2.5 in by .5in deep dent is beyond that limit. At that point all the paint (inlcuding the primer) that is affected by the damage will come off. If the paint was defective then it would continue come off from areas that were not affected by the damage (IE poor adhesion of the paint to panel and the paint will peel or flake off from the damaged portion) I guarantee the OP's paint only flaking off from where it is dented.

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Old 01-03-2007, 10:47 PM   #13
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Paint can only flex so far.

A 2.5 in by .5in deep dent is beyond that limit. At that point all the paint (inlcuding the primer) that is affected by the will come off. If the paint was defective then it would continue come off from areas that were not affected by the damage (IE poor adhesion of the paint to panel and the paint will peel or flake off from the damaged portion) I guarantee the OP's paint only flaking off from where it is dented.
Good point, lets see some pics.
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Old 01-03-2007, 11:19 PM   #14
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Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. My intention is not to sue Subaru to get them to pay for my wife dropping an ice chest on my car. The purpose of the post was to suggest that I now understand why people complain about Subaru paint jobs, and to propose the possibility of a Class Action Law Suit that would represent all Subaru owners (the Class) who have had to pay to have paint damage fixed because the paint is defective. A Class Action Law Suit provides the injured Class (Subaru owners) a means to recover losses due to a universally defective product (the paint). For instance if every Subaru owner who has had to have body work done, had to pay more to have it repaired because the paint is defective, then perhaps they as a Class should be able to recover some of that cost. Then Subaru would also have to improve their paint.

Or am I just wrong about how many people complain about their paint? Are all Subaru owners who complain about their paint just whiners?

And hondaslayer, I'd rather occasionally misspell a word than not be able to understand what I was reading...
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Old 01-03-2007, 11:28 PM   #15
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If an ice chest has a sharp/flat surface, I don't see why taking primer off is so ridiculous?

Try dropping a hammer on your other fender, see if you get the same result.
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Old 01-03-2007, 11:36 PM   #16
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Unless the cheap paint somehow caused you some kind of damage, class action law suits are out of the question.

There are lots of "inferior" points in every product out there, to pick on something that does no harm at all won't make it into court.

C'mon... rocks hit the car at 60 mph, the paint chips off... simple physics. Now if it chipped and fell off while just sitting there, then maybe you got something... or if you can prove some kind of collusion between EVERY repair shop in the world and Subaru (which would then be criminal lol).

Sure the paint might not be the strongest, but it is also not a gross representation of what you're paying for.
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Old 01-03-2007, 11:49 PM   #17
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Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. My intention is not to sue Subaru to get them to pay for my wife dropping an ice chest on my car. The purpose of the post was to suggest that I now understand why people complain about Subaru paint jobs, and to propose the possibility of a Class Action Law Suit that would represent all Subaru owners (the Class) who have had to pay to have paint damage fixed because the paint is defective. A Class Action Law Suit provides the injured Class (Subaru owners) a means to recover losses due to a universally defective product (the paint). For instance if every Subaru owner who has had to have body work done, had to pay more to have it repaired because the paint is defective, then perhaps they as a Class should be able to recover some of that cost. Then Subaru would also have to improve their paint.

Or am I just wrong about how many people complain about their paint? Are all Subaru owners who complain about their paint just whiners?

And hondaslayer, I'd rather occasionally misspell a word than not be able to understand what I was reading...
I don't know if you have ever been a beneficiary of a class action lawsuit, but typically when it is all said and done, assuming it is successful, the individual people are most often left with a very small compensation that does not begin to cover any losses they've incurred. When it comes down to it, class actions really only benefit the lawyers who bring the action.

As for the numbers of people who complain about their paint, you have to realize a couple of things. First of all, when you read any comments on this message board or others, you're only hearing the voices of a small minority of people. Subaru sells close to 200,000 vehicles per year in the U.S. Let's say you saw 200 complaints on here about "defective" paint, and let's further assume that all of those complaints covered a 3 model year period. What percent of approximately 600,000 vehicles is 200 vehicles? .03%. That's not a whole lot. Definitely not enough to warrant a class action suit. Second, this assumes that all 200 of those complaints are valid; most of them probably are not.
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Old 01-03-2007, 11:57 PM   #18
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Suck ass paint though and everyone knows it. Comes off very easy and down to the body like he said. If you say your suby has awesome paint, you lie, or don't drive...hardly ever.
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Class actions only benefit the lawyers. There is no benefit for us.

Contact me after I finish law school.
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:48 AM   #20
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Suck ass paint though and everyone knows it. Comes off very easy and down to the body like he said. If you say your suby has awesome paint, you lie, or don't drive...hardly ever.
you don't even have too drive at all.... look at the car like this..and you see a new chip
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They have to keep the car inexpensive somehow. Paint is the first thing I'd want them to go cheap on. In fact, I wish I could just get some sort of protective coating and pay a grand or two less...but really that is all the Subaru paint is.

You go through with this and watch prices go up. I'm not saying that Subaru couldn't eat the cost of making the paint better and still be profitable, but I also know that the 'big wigs' won't accept being paid less.

Domestics seem to have good paint compared with the cost of the car...but they are also crappy cars.

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And hondaslayer, I'd rather occasionally misspell a word than not be able to understand what I was reading...
You mis-spelled it twice, therefore it is not a simple typing error. Being married for 31 years you should be old enough to know how to spell "cheap"


Anyway, your wife damaged the car, man up and fix it!
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hahahahaha class action lawsuit. good luck...
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You mis-spelled it twice, therefore it is not a simple typing error. Being married for 31 years you should be old enough to know how to spell "cheap"


Anyway, your wife damaged the car, man up and fix it!
well damn, I initially thought he was a bird....


to the OP,
while you're feeling all litigious, I would go after the body shop who wants to charge you $900 to replace a fender which is prolly obtainable through subie-gal up there for maybe $200.. then another 100-200 to paint, and install..

otherwise, put up a want ad, I'm sure someone has a spare front fender laying around in your color they'd ship you for a couple hundred $$.. if not local..

As someone who raced Mazda's for years, I can tell you Subie paint isn't that bad... not good.. but not near as bad.. how many neon's have you seen with big bare spots all over them??
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Domestics seem to have good paint compared with the cost of the car...but they are also crappy cars.
work at a car wash for a couple of months and then see if you want to make that statement again
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