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Old 01-04-2007, 09:45 AM   #1
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Default Timing belt change at 60k due to Texas heat?

I just dropped my 2002 Outback off at the dealer to get the timing belt changed (I know it's a little overdue) and for a 112k service (oil change). I've owned this car for 7 months now and it's my first Subaru. Since I was there, I asked the guy about how much the 120k (60k) service would be. He told me something like $800 and that included the timing belt. I told him that I thought the timing belt was due at 105k and not every 60k. His response was that they like doing it every 60k due to the Texas heat being considered extreme conditions and they like to be safe. I'm thinking that he's wanting to get more money from customers.

What do you guys think? Is he trying to get more money or is it a good idea to get the timing belt changed every 60k due to the central Texas (Austin) heat?

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Old 01-04-2007, 09:56 AM   #2
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I just dropped my 2002 Outback off at the dealer to get the timing belt changed (I know it's a little overdue) and for a 112k service (oil change). I've owned this car for 7 months now and it's my first Subaru. Since I was there, I asked the guy about how much the 120k (60k) service would be. He told me something like $800 and that included the timing belt. I told him that I thought the timing belt was due at 105k and not every 60k. His response was that they like doing it every 60k due to the Texas heat being considered extreme conditions and they like to be safe. I'm thinking that he's wanting to get more money from customers.

What do you guys think? Is he trying to get more money or is it a good idea to get the timing belt changed every 60k due to the central Texas (Austin) heat?
sounds like a money making scheme to me. Ask this in your regional forum, see what other central Texas Subaru owners think. then just to be sure, call a couple other subaru dealerships and ask them.
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Old 01-04-2007, 10:05 AM   #3
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THanks. I just crossposted.
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Old 01-04-2007, 10:11 AM   #4
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Yeah, that's bull****.
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Old 01-04-2007, 10:22 AM   #5
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BS for sure.
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Old 01-04-2007, 10:24 AM   #6
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Well,
Disregarding what the service writer told you, I would ask the question if your timing belt was done at 105k when it should have been done. That's really the overlying question here. If it was just done 8k mi ago, don't change it. If it's the original, change it. The whole 60k question is kind of irrelevant...
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Old 01-04-2007, 10:36 AM   #7
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Disregarding what the service writer told you, I would ask the question if your timing belt was done at 105k when it should have been done. That's really the overlying question here. If it was just done 8k mi ago, don't change it. If it's the original, change it. The whole 60k question is kind of irrelevant...
I bought the car at 103k miles and timing belt was due at 105k. I didn't get it done until today at 113k. Even though this is 8k late, I'm going to change the belt again at 210k which will then be 8k early. I don't really care because I find it easier to just go by the maintenance schedule than trying to remember or go through my records for the last service and do the proper 30/60/105k service after that.
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Old 01-04-2007, 11:36 AM   #8
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well, I'll tell you a little secret. The old subaru's had the timing belt listed to be changed at 60k. Then California (oh bless California) passed a mandate about certain engine components needing to be "extended life" (like coolant, timing belt, etc to reduce waste). Guess what most manufacturers did? They just wiped the "change every 60k" label off their parts and put "change every 10xk".

Anyway, it was just changed, so I wouldn't bother changing it either.
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Old 01-04-2007, 11:51 AM   #9
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if you dont want him to do it. dont let him. its not like you **** anything up in a subaru by breaking the belt anyway.
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:09 PM   #10
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if you dont want him to do it. dont let him. its not like you **** anything up in a subaru by breaking the belt anyway.
uhh, maybe not on your 91...
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:35 PM   #11
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uhh, maybe not on your 91...

wait. so not all subies are non interference. i didnt know that. my bad.
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Old 01-04-2007, 01:43 PM   #12
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wait. so not all subies are non interference. i didnt know that. my bad.
Interference:
EJ25x
97+ EJ22

Non Interference:
90-96(ish) EJ22

I say "ish" because there was a bit of crossover in the 96MY. Some 96s had single port heads, some had dual, some had hydraulic lash adjusters, some had solid lifters, etc.

The reason the EJ22 became interference is because in 97 they changed the shape of the valves (to get a higher compression) which means that if timing goes, you will bend your valves.

Interference can also mean the pistons overextending and hitting each other, but I don't know if that's possible on our engines or not.
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Old 01-04-2007, 07:10 PM   #13
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Interference:
EJ25x
97+ EJ22

Non Interference:
90-96(ish) EJ22

I say "ish" because there was a bit of crossover in the 96MY. Some 96s had single port heads, some had dual, some had hydraulic lash adjusters, some had solid lifters, etc.

The reason the EJ22 became interference is because in 97 they changed the shape of the valves (to get a higher compression) which means that if timing goes, you will bend your valves.
Mark - I always assumed that all MY96 Legacys were Non-Interference. I have been blissfully driving along in my '96 Legacy L with unknown service history and nearly 190K miles on the odometer, but reassuring myself that if the belt 'lets go', its just a tow to the nearst Subaru dealer. Any tips on how to determine what type of heads and lifters my car is running ?

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Old 01-05-2007, 01:13 AM   #14
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Hmmm. The thing is, the year was very frankenstein'd, so one thing (like HLAs instead of Solid Lifters) might not mean that you're not interference. Single port exhaust apparently doesn't mean anything either.

Take Plays_With_toys for instance. He has single port exhaust on his EJ22 and has Hydraulic Lash adjusters like the earlier EJ22s.

I have dual port exhaust on my 95.

So...I can't tell you difinitively. sorry dude

Time to do the timing belt + water pump at that mileage anyways.
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:22 AM   #15
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my subie has over 75k miles of TX heat driving, and I haven't had a problem yet...
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Engine temperatures completely negate whatever outside heat there is anyways.

I'd be more worried about having the car parked in the super cold than the hot.
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Engine temperatures completely negate whatever outside heat there is anyways.

I'd be more worried about having the car parked in the super cold than the hot.
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Old 01-05-2007, 06:44 PM   #18
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I got it replaced yesterday and asked them to give me the belt back. It looks nearly new. Problem is that I don't have the maintenance records for the car before 103k so I don't know if the belt was changed at 60k or not. Assuming that it was changed at 60k, this belt has 53k on it and I think it could easily last another 52k. This thing has been in Austin the entire time and it's not getting changed again for 105k.
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well, you know to check belts by making a tight loop with part of it and checking the crown of the loop for small cracks. If it doesn't show many hairline cracks when you put that pressure on it, it must be pretty new...
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They are trying to get your money! Timing belt replacement at 105k on your car.
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