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Old 11-06-2013, 02:25 PM   #1
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Sorry, just had to put that out there. Do what you please, but from my personal experience, get away from that PIGGYBACK BS as fast as you can! If you want true potential and all the power out of modified project, Accessport V3 or Standalone EMS. Dont get me wrong, may be fine with stage one or 2, but after that, time to step it up. Just my .02. Hope this helps ANYONE out there to not go through the pain i have. Good luck to all in their future progress....
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:36 PM   #2
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i still use mine for open loop boost control and knock light.

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No doubt that a native system will be better than a piggyback aka hybrid system.
But in the end, its the tuner that has to understand the product backwards and forwards. A clueless "tuner" will still make a well equipped car with a standalone run like junk.
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Mine is doing just fine, maybe it is your tuner. Also, being in VA, I have to pass emissions, and the UTEC does that without a problem. A stand alone is a problem every two years.
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LOL Nope it's not. Depends on your mods. Obviously, a UTEC is a piggyback. All you are doing is (tricking) lying to your stock ECU to be able to run your car with the mods you've added. Been doing it for years, so i know what i'm talking about. It would take an AMAZING (UTEC altering somehow "Hacking Genius") tuner to tune your car with your "specific" mods and run smooth as silk with a UTEC. But of course we're talking about tuning with major modifications, not just some Stage 1/2 BS. Once you climb into the big boys league, there's no way to TRULY tune your car specifically to your mods without a standalone/AP.......JS'n
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Forgot to mention, there's also something out there called an "accessport", i'm pretty sure you won't have a problem passing S*** with that and having an amazing SPECIFIC tune to your mods......sorry, forgot to add that .02
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I've used the UTEC for years just like ride5000...

A good tuner can make a 500whp car run smooth with a UTEC attached.

You are seriously bitching about a piggy back system that has been discontinued for ooohhhhh 3 years now?

In its prime the UTEC was a powerful unit and we still have customers who still swear by them (although an os/UTEC tune)
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I've used the UTEC for years just like ride5000...

A good tuner can make a 500whp car run smooth with a UTEC attached.

You are seriously bitching about a piggy back system that has been discontinued for ooohhhhh 3 years now?

In its prime the UTEC was a powerful unit and we still have customers who still swear by them (although an os/UTEC tune)
Yea, and i had it in it's prime. BTW, not bitching, I'm simply saying you can get a way better tune with a standalone or AP. You're telling me A UTEC is capable and just as good as a stand alone or an AP? AGAIN, maybe in some stage 1/2 platform, SURE! A monkey can do that. Maybe with the thread name i came off the top rope, and i apologize, i'm not trying to say the UTEC is useless and can't be used for good tuning, but seriously.............I need some of that shiz you're on! Yea, there's people running big numbers out there on a UTEC, but you're comparing an apple to an orange in tuning right now. Sure it had it's prime, but we're talking about the present, correct? Let's see the UTEC break into GTR35 ECU that was sworn to be impossible to tune.......so yea, I may be bitching a TINY bit to people about tuning there cars in the PRESENT with UTEC vs WAY better options. Because there's still people doing it......(seriously not trying to come off like an ass, just typing away here)
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There is still one thing that I love using a utec for. .. fast road tuning. One guy drives, the other logs, analyzes, and makes incremental changes. clutch in, rpms drop under 2k, flash it back up, do another pull.

I've never dialed in road tunes that quickly before. reflashing the oem ecu is a pita. I've never tried Cobbs or ecuteks real time tuning.

I'm keeping the utec to use as an adi controller. Just having the spare solenoid output is very handy.

I agree I would not go back to a stock rom plus utec only.
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There is still one thing that I love using a utec for. .. fast road tuning. One guy drives, the other logs, analyzes, and makes incremental changes. clutch in, rpms drop under 2k, flash it back up, do another pull.

I've never dialed in road tunes that quickly before. reflashing the oem ecu is a pita. I've never tried Cobbs or ecuteks real time tuning.

I'm keeping the utec to use as an adi controller. Just having the spare solenoid output is very handy.

I agree I would not go back to a stock rom plus utec only.
ap2 and ap3 with their 'street tuner' or whatever they are calling it now...software is just like that...tune on the fly...get the tune right on the real time map and then flash it

using AP to tune the ecu and use with a utec could be a REAL cool way to tune
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I ran a UTEC for 75k+ of miles while I lived in VA and had Mach V as my tuner. Never had any problems and ran like a champ.
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Well........all i can say is.....I'm using an AP V3, and i'm pushing 75-100whp more than before. So, don't know what more i have to say. Just saying there's better options out there now than the UTEC which has been proven, THAT"S IT!?
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Well........all i can say is.....I'm using an AP V3, and i'm pushing 75-100whp more than before. So, don't know what more i have to say. Just saying there's better options out there now than the UTEC which has been proven, THAT"S IT!?
you had a crappy utec tune.
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OMG, i don't know how much more i can say about this. THERE is only so much you can do with a UTEC!? I mean , you do understand that, right? Do you even understand tuning in itself, or even read, researched or try to tune yourself? Cause obviously if you did, this conversation would be over. Take your BEST UTEC tuner, and swap out to an AP, and i GUARANTEE you will have better results. Because you have access to 100% of your ECU, UNLIKE the UTEC. The fact that you guys are even still comparing the UTEC to the same capabilities as a COBB AP is embarrassing. I mean really? #1: the UTEC is a piggyback, u understand that, right? So if you know anything about tuning , instead of just dropping it off with your tuner, the COBB AP give's you unlimited access (reflash capabilities) to your stock ECU, UNLIKE the UTEC. Where you are just "fooling/tricking" you're ECU to be able to run you're mods, which is not a "TRUE" tune. Don't get me wrong, again, it's great for maybe stage 1-2, but once you start doing serious (block opening, blue printing, sleeving, pistons, springs&valves, cams, headwork etc.)and many other plethora of upgrades, seriously? At my shop (#3 in my state for tuning on all EMS's) I watched the guy tune my car himself (with back and forth ideas/advice) between the UTEC and the AP. There is absolutely no comparison. I tell you what, u guys find your BEST UTEC tuner, with mod for mod, and meet me up. I'll keep u in my mirror EVERY time with my COBB AP, and you can enjoy the beauty of the ass end of my car! OMG, I've already proven this to multiple people locally, so i don't even know why i continue to waste my time here. Just trying to help YOU out, but hell......what do i know but dusting just about everyone around here with UTEC's because i have a true TUNE/REFLASH, not some piggyback. But hey, enjoy you're shiz either way. Just trying to help some "if any" non-ignorant people out on here. Why don't you open up some tuning magazines, unplug for a while and READ for a change. And come back and tell me how many cars you see who's engine management is a UTEC, especially in Subaru's and MANY others. Please stop embarrassing yourselves on here and try to take some genuine friendly advice for a change......
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OMG, i don't know how much more i can say about this. THERE is only so much you can do with a UTEC!? I mean , you do understand that, right? Do you even understand tuning in itself, or even read, researched or try to tune yourself? Cause obviously if you did, this conversation would be over. Take your BEST UTEC tuner, and swap out to an AP, and i GUARANTEE you will have better results. Because you have access to 100% of your ECU, UNLIKE the UTEC. The fact that you guys are even still comparing the UTEC to the same capabilities as a COBB AP is embarrassing. I mean really? #1: the UTEC is a piggyback, u understand that, right? So if you know anything about tuning , instead of just dropping it off with your tuner, the COBB AP give's you unlimited access (reflash capabilities) to your stock ECU, UNLIKE the UTEC. Where you are just "fooling/tricking" you're ECU to be able to run you're mods, which is not a "TRUE" tune. Don't get me wrong, again, it's great for maybe stage 1-2, but once you start doing serious (block opening, blue printing, sleeving, pistons, springs&valves, cams, headwork etc.)and many other plethora of upgrades, seriously? At my shop (#3 in my state for tuning on all EMS's) I watched the guy tune my car himself (with back and forth ideas/advice) between the UTEC and the AP. There is absolutely no comparison. I tell you what, u guys find your BEST UTEC tuner, with mod for mod, and meet me up. I'll keep u in my mirror EVERY time with my COBB AP, and you can enjoy the beauty of the ass end of my car! OMG, I've already proven this to multiple people locally, so i don't even know why i continue to waste my time here. Just trying to help YOU out, but hell......what do i know but dusting just about everyone around here with UTEC's because i have a true TUNE/REFLASH, not some piggyback. But hey, enjoy you're shiz either way. Just trying to help some "if any" non-ignorant people out on here. Why don't you open up some tuning magazines, unplug for a while and READ for a change. And come back and tell me how many cars you see who's engine management is a UTEC, especially in Subaru's and MANY others. Please stop embarrassing yourselves on here and try to take some genuine friendly advice for a change......
Lol if that was aimed at ride500 you obviously don't know who you're talking to.
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Oh, im sorry!? Who am taking to, Jesus Chris? Lol, wow you are riding hard. Its simply ovbious that everyone here who dissagrees has their own opinion. Im just TRYING to offer some BETTER advise, take it or leave it. Im just saying numbers/tuning prove themselves, and that goes to everyone on here. Again, b4 you open your mouth and "think" you know a thing or 2, unplug from NASIOC and get out of your dungeon and do some research. I just find it that u are seriously defending the UTEC over the AP so hard. It had its prime, get over it, step your game up. Spend some $$$ if can afford it......and reap the modern benefits.........geez, unbelievable
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Why are you getting so worked up? Can you try spelling properly and using proper grammar? It takes a while to decipher your posts. It was already stated that it was a bit outdated.

Ride5000 has been here a long time and contributed a lot. Including some Pretty Damn Fine links I'm pretty sure his knowledge is a bit greater than yours.
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for a given set of mechanical mods, power always comes down to timing, fuel, boost.

with the exception of a very few subtle parameters (per cylinder fuel/ign comps, dwell) the utec can provide the exact same timing/fuel/boost as any other EMS, netting the exact same power.

the idea that you magically picked up "75-100whp" changing only the EMS and not the tune itself is absolutely asinine.

the key to the utec is in the u, which stands for USER. if you are not willing to capture logs and tune yourself then it isn't the best solution--nor has it ever been--as it is unable to trim fuel and retain knock-induced ignition retard.
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Why are you getting so worked up? Can you try spelling properly and using proper grammar? It takes a while to decipher your posts. It was already stated that it was a bit outdated.

Ride5000 has been here a long time and contributed a lot. Including some Pretty Damn Fine links I'm pretty sure his knowledge is a bit greater than yours.
Wow, the fact that all you can do is grammar check me (after having a few beers mind you), shows that you can leave this conversation now sir. As you have no further input in this matter and the best you can come back with in our conversation of tuning is grammar checking? Thanks for your wise input though!?
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Wow, the fact that all you can do is grammar check me (after having a few beers mind you), shows that you can leave this conversation now sir. As you have no further input in this matter and the best you can come back with in our conversation of tuning is grammar checking? Thanks for your wise input though!?
How's your tune? I hear your car is blown up!

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...6#post40962966

A utec would have flashed the CEL to let you know something is up.

Lets keep those 110mph flybys off the street
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for a given set of mechanical mods, power always comes down to timing, fuel, boost.

with the exception of a very few subtle parameters (per cylinder fuel/ign comps, dwell) the utec can provide the exact same timing/fuel/boost as any other EMS, netting the exact same power.

the idea that you magically picked up "75-100whp" changing only the EMS and not the tune itself is absolutely asinine.

the key to the utec is in the u, which stands for USER. if you are not willing to capture logs and tune yourself then it isn't the best solution--nor has it ever been--as it is unable to trim fuel and retain knock-induced ignition retard.
#1, just to put it out there, I never said i didn't change the tuning, the tuning was changed with the AP. Because we had MORE at our disposal in tuning capabilities than with the UTEC. I mean really, of all people here, YOU know the window of parameters you have access to when it comes to tuning an ECU with a UTEC. It's not even in the same ballpark with a COBB AP for re-flashing or let alone a stand alone EMS!? Isn't that what I've been saying from the beginning of this? "as it is unable to trim fuel and retain knock-induced ignition retard.". But for some reason, others here choose to continue to argue with me that the UTEC is somehow on the same level of tuning capabilities as something like a COBB AP or EMS, when it's simply not!? And i just don't understand the logic or why people here continue to post here when, to me, it's showing (A)that they have no clue what they are talking about, (B)All they know is from reading what someone else has said and truly has a lack of understanding themselves of the basics in regards to tuning and then try to get on here and argue about it!? Just repeating someone else ideas like a mocking bird or something? You are probably the first person i can honestly say I respect on this thread, because you actually seem to understand what i'm trying to say, but also sound like you know what the hell you're talking about when it comes to the UTEC AND tuning, unlike others here i will not mention..........
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How's your tune? I hear your car is blown up!

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...6#post40962966

A utec would have flashed the CEL to let you know something is up.

Lets keep those 110mph flybys off the street
Hey smart A**, yea, i did blow it up. Because i was running on race gas and did a pull with less than a 1/4 a tank of gas and starved my engine of fuel. So it had nothing to do with my tune or a "CEL" that i missed. It was a mistake I made that i'm paying for now. So i'm sorry, but you can shut your mouth now since you have no clue of the situation or what even happened. On here assuming shiz, smart mouthing and trying to act like you know something. Did that go the way you planned?..........Nope And why don't you do you and keep your advise and opinions to yourself while do me, mmmmk? thanks
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No one with making comparisons but you. You started off this thread complaining about an engine management system has been around since the dawn of time. And has now since been gone. You are complaining at how crappy that EMS system is when it does just fine and there are plenty of cars out there that you just as well. The cobb access port is a great as well. Nobody is arguing that fact You are just being an ******* to everyone else in this thread. Is/was the UTEC good for what it offered? Absolutely. Is it outdated? Absolutely.

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Be an ethug somewhere else, there are plenty of people on the form that know a hellof a lot more than you do. Myself included as well as Ken and if you remember Tim Bailey was one of the best UTEC tuners in the country years ago who now works for Cobb.
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Hey smart A**, yea, i did blow it up. Because i was running on race gas and did a pull with less than a 1/4 a tank of gas and starved my engine of fuel. So it had nothing to do with my tune or a "CEL" that i missed. It was a mistake I made that i'm paying for now. So i'm sorry, but you can shut your mouth now since you have no clue of the situation or what even happened. On here assuming shiz, smart mouthing and trying to act like you know something. Did that go the way you planned?..........Nope And why don't you do you and keep your advise and opinions to yourself while do me, mmmmk? thanks
You're the smart ass down playing the utec for what it is and its capabilities.
Apparently you must be a super tuner

Lots of old-skoolers on this board have used the utec with great results well beyond a stage 1 or 2 setup, which you think its only good for.

ride5000 called you out, you had a crappy tune on the utec.
There are alot of systems out there, you can have enough granularity to launch the space shuttle on some, but if the tuner doesn't know it well enough, you won't be able to squeeze the potential out of your car.

The mods should delete this thread, its not a review..its a OT rant
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