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Old 01-09-2007, 09:18 PM   #1
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So I got home for the weekend to find my new issue of Subiesport. There are several references alluding to the fact that the beautiful cover car was totaled.
So I finally get to the story and I'm very impressed at how the guy put a ton of work and thought into what he actually wanted and stated that he did most or all of it himself.
Then I was completely floored by the fact that he was not even the one that was driving the vehicle at the time of the accident. I understand there's a trade-off with sponsorships and all that, but if there is a track day and someone needs to pilot the car that I spent all of my money and time on, you can bet your sweet ass I'm going to be the one behind the wheel.

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Old 01-09-2007, 10:15 PM   #2
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Sometimes you're not qualified to drive the car. I believe this was one of those cases. The driver is a SCCA licensed racer and significant experience on that track. I'm not sure what the owner's qualifications are.
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Old 01-09-2007, 10:58 PM   #3
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Sometimes you're not qualified to drive the car. I believe this was one of those cases. The driver is a SCCA licensed racer and significant experience on that track. I'm not sure what the owner's qualifications are.
It was a closed-course time attack.
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Old 01-09-2007, 11:08 PM   #4
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I'm aware of the circumstances, just not the owner's driving history.

Owning a car doesn't automatically give you the right to drive it at any event. At many events, drivers must have certain qualifications or certifications to be allowed on track. I believe there were minimum qualifications for drivers at this event and I'm not sure if the car owner met them. IF the owner didn't, the decision is easy... someone else drives the car or no one drives the car.
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Old 01-10-2007, 11:14 AM   #5
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And like a nice horse, a jockey is the best way to go. MANY people use "ringers" for time attack or drag for their cars. About the only one that doesn't do that and is actually good at time attack and drag is Phil's drivin' ass!
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Old 01-10-2007, 04:20 PM   #6
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The point is - it's bush league to claim you do everything yourself. This clearly was not the case. Why build a car if you're not going to drive it?
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Old 01-10-2007, 07:14 PM   #7
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It takes a big man to know when you are outclassed, just becuase you have 400hp worth of car, does not mean you are 400hp worth of driver. It was Kendrick's choice to turn the car over to his friend who is a very accomplished driver. He could have driven himself but he didn't which, I think, shows maturity and discipline. He was not out to be the "Hero."
Sadly, racing is racing and things happen and even great drivers crash.
The "I built/paid for it, I will drive it" mentality goes wrong so quickly. I have seen too many hot cars wadded up in the wall to think that Kendrick's decision was "bush league." Don't be a hater and recognize not only talent in putting a car together, but also restraint and wisdom in knowing one's limits.
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Old 01-10-2007, 07:49 PM   #8
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Yes, I'm hating. Good call. But I digress, the point I was trying to make was that had he not made it a point to comment on how he "did everything himself", I would have had no problem with the article or what happened at the track. While I don't agree with people not piloting their own vehicle, I realize it happens.
But what's the point of owning a car if you're not going to drive it? And really, what better way to learn than getting behind the wheel? Especially in an event such as that, which was more about showcasing the cars and the Subie community.

Now please back away from his nuts.
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:52 AM   #9
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Now please back away from his nuts.
Are you finished? Did you get ALL the sand out of your clam yet? Keep digging...

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Old 01-11-2007, 11:33 AM   #10
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Yes, I'm hating. Good call. But I digress, the point I was trying to make was that had he not made it a point to comment on how he "did everything himself", I would have had no problem with the article or what happened at the track. While I don't agree with people not piloting their own vehicle, I realize it happens.
But what's the point of owning a car if you're not going to drive it? And really, what better way to learn than getting behind the wheel? Especially in an event such as that, which was more about showcasing the cars and the Subie community.

Now please back away from his nuts.
Well just so you know I did drive the car everyday, and had no problem driving it that day I mean it was my car I did most of the building of it, but then to this was something that my friend Alec put in my ear that he wanted to do, heís a great driver and will continue to be in other events. Iíve done this type of thing in the past out on the track but it was on two wheels. You have to understand building a car, going to shows, showing a car u daily drive is a lot of work. Sometimes you might not want to do it all. I have a tons of friends in the community that I LOVE to hang with and chat with at events but when your running around doing stuff for the car it takes away from that. And I had my whole family+ the dog so I had other responsibilities also. Also what you did not read was my originally wrote about knowing when you have to let someone else more experienced at a task do the work. This is a prime case he's a better driver and I let him drive. Just like the guy who welded my FMIC pipes heís a way better welder then I am. I hope you understand where im coming from, in the most respectful way.

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Old 01-11-2007, 12:42 PM   #11
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Well just so you know I did drive the car everyday, and had no problem driving it that day I mean it was my car I did most of the building of it, but then to this was something that my friend Alec put in my ear that he wanted to do, he’s a great driver and will continue to be in other events. I’ve done this type of thing in the past out on the track but it was on two wheels. You have to understand building a car, going to shows, showing a car u daily drive is a lot of work. Sometimes you might not want to do it all. I have a tons of friends in the community that I LOVE to hang with and chat with at events but when your running around doing stuff for the car it takes away from that. And I had my whole family+ the dog so I had other responsibilities also. Also what you did not read was my originally wrote about knowing when you have to let someone else more experienced at a task do the work. This is a prime case he's a better driver and I let him drive. Just like the guy who welded my FMIC pipes he’s a way better welder then I am. I hope you understand where im coming from, in the most respectful way.

Kendrick Gray

Noted; I hope you realize that I meant no harm or offense. Obviously there was a bit more to the story, and I apologize for not taking that into consideration. Know that I'm not jealous, I'm envious because the car was absolutely gorgeous, and I think it's a shame that it's gone. I think it really sucks that you weren't the one driving it, but that's not something I have to deal with. Great job on building a beautiful car and good luck in your future automotive endeavors.

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Old 01-11-2007, 12:56 PM   #12
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Its all good, I just want to do my best to make sure people judge everything with what I feel is the facts. I really plan on building something great next time from a different angle.
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Old 01-12-2007, 03:09 PM   #13
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it sucks when something like that happens.
and the owner does sign away any and all legal recourse when signing the waivers pulling onto track property to promotors, orgnaizers, saftey personal and drivers (as they should, nobody is putting a gun to their head making them track the car, or making them choose to have another driver drive the car).
Rarely does anyone setup insurance for trackdays, as they should, yes the deductible is high (25% of the cars value in most cases) but it covers labour and parts...a small price to pay if you get burnt

It's mighty big of the owner to come on here and be honest and open about the occurance, it's more then one can say about Agile Auto concerning a very very similar incident involving a highly trained, experienced SCCA instructor on a track he had run several times, with no other cars on course, it was completed closed for filming.

Good luck on your next project, i haven't seen the article yet, but it sounds like you put together a worthy car, i look forward to actuallys eeing what you come up with for your next build
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Old 01-13-2007, 11:51 AM   #14
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The point is - it's bush league to claim you do everything yourself. This clearly was not the case. Why build a car if you're not going to drive it?
Beacuse you always have those people out there with lots of money burning a hole in their pocket and just want to be cool. So they just throw money at someone and have them do all the work and in the end they take all the credit. Which makes it hard for the people that are on a buget and do all the work to get in a mag. Just like subie sport wants everyone to take the pics and write the story and subie sport takes credit for it and makes the money off the story.
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Beacuse you always have those people out there with lots of money burning a hole in their pocket and just want to be cool. So they just throw money at someone and have them do all the work and in the end they take all the credit. Which makes it hard for the people that are on a buget and do all the work to get in a mag. Just like subie sport wants everyone to take the pics and write the story and subie sport takes credit for it and makes the money off the story.
I agree that there is a lot of nice cars rolling around like you said, person paid to have it built and claims its all thereís. That for instance is something I mentioned in my interview for subie sport. I think they did a great job providing me with a list of questions about the car and myself before they wrote the article. The way it went down was they approached me at a car show this last summer. They took care of every thing the pictures and such. I felt really good about it because I fall under the WORKING man with a budget category for sure, and it was my daily driver/ commuter car. All the pic's as you can guess were done way before the crash, and I just wanted to help out a company that did the same for me, thatís why I entered the car into the event under them. But in the end im just a regular working guy who put a lot of work into a car that I let someone else drive, had the outcome been different it would have been great, but it is what it is today. Everyone is alive thatís what matters.
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Hah! So If I build my car, drive it everyday, race it but decide to have someone better than me race it so the car has a better chance of winning I am wrong ? Maybe in Bizzarro world.

Great build Kendrick. Sorry to see it go but the important thing is that your friend only broke a finger.

Interested to see what you do next.
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