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Old 01-14-2007, 12:38 PM   #1
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Okay, so I can't fit WRX brakes under my 15" stockers. Right now I have two sets of rims and tires, my stock outback rims with some hydroedge tires on them (they have to go, they're awful and have a lot of miles on them) and then my winters are on a set of steelies.

I would be willing to look for some WRX rims for summer and switch to my stock outback rims for winter (keeping my XIce tires, they rock) if the steelies wouldn't work out for some sort of upgrade because I know steelies usually have less clearance than alloys.

Anyways, what would be an upgrade for me that would work with my rims? I know the BE Ls had 15" rims like mine at one point, but were they the same brakes? How about GC RS brakes?

I'm open to suggestions. Basically I'm looking at picking something up used because I can't afford to buy new rotors, pads, etc right now, but need something that isn't worn out (my rear rotors are warped, and the pads aren't gripping all that well anymore).
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Old 01-14-2007, 12:45 PM   #2
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GC RS brakes will fit under the 15" alloys, as that's what came on OB's stock. WRX calipers won't, they're just a touch too big to clear with the 15's. I'm not sure about the steelies, though. The 96+ cars with the 2.5's came witht he same Legacy Turbo wheels as your car, and had RS/GT brakes front and rear.

If you want to seriously upgrade your rears, you could upgrade to a Legacy Turbo vented setup, and that will fit under your stockers, but you don't need much in the rear; I'm running my big Stoptechs in front and the rear is balanced fine with some semi-metallic pads and slotted rotors.
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Old 01-14-2007, 01:21 PM   #3
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So you're saying that RS/Outback/GT brakes would be an upgrade for me (with what is essentially an L wagon)?
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Old 01-14-2007, 01:30 PM   #4
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from what i understand, that is correct. i think it was the '97 and up outbacks that had larger front brakes, as well as the '97 and up GT legacies. so if you can find one at a junk yard, see how much they want for the calipers and rotors off one.

what would be really cool is if you could get some RS rims, and swap in the 4 pots in the front.
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Old 01-14-2007, 01:32 PM   #5
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haha, yeah, I'd love some RS rims, but they're not as cheap as WRX rims. And like I said, I'm not ditching my winter tires, too expensive to get a new set on 16s.
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Old 01-14-2007, 01:35 PM   #6
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oh believe me, i understand that completely. i was actually going to switch to RS rims from my Forester rims at one point, but once i realized how much it would cost even for a messed up set, i decided to put that money towards other things.

have you considered just getting more aggressive pads and stronger aftermarket rotors in your stock size? the real advantage to bigger rotors is better heat dissipation, not really in an actual increase in stopping power. you could get a set of brembo blank rotors, and some good front pads, and you'd be pretty good for quite some time.
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Old 01-14-2007, 01:47 PM   #7
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Yes, I have, but like I said, that's expensive. I'd rather just get a used set and add some decent pads (like Hawk HPS) to it. It'd be cheaper.
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Old 01-14-2007, 02:22 PM   #8
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RS front brakes are still 10.7" like the GT, and dual piston. Impreza L's got a single piston front brakes that used a smaller rotor, 9.x" I think. So basically, if you have a dual piston, highly likely you have GT brakes already. Good way to note the difference is whether you have 1 arch on the front your brake caliper or 2 (each arch denotes a piston):

If you can get the WRX brakes cheaper, I would go with those and upgrade to 16" anyway. The performance across the spectrum will be much better with the 16"s on top of the wrx brake upgrade. Otherwise, you can hit up RS25 once and awhile someone there sells off their stock RS brake setup real cheaply. I think I sold mine for around $65 shipped (with rusty rotors ) when I upgraded.

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Old 01-14-2007, 03:30 PM   #9
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Interested in the Golds mark? I'm saying goodbye to them soon.
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Old 01-14-2007, 04:46 PM   #10
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Thanks for the advice Ben, I think I may already have the two piston calipers, but cannot tell with my steelies on. My memory can be a fickle thing.
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Old 01-14-2007, 05:23 PM   #11
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i was under the impression that your car is basically the same as mine mechanically, which would mean 1 pots in the front, and much smaller 1 pots in the rear.
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Old 01-14-2007, 05:24 PM   #12
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i was under the impression that your car is basically the same as mine mechanically, which would mean 1 pots in the front, and much smaller 1 pots in the rear.
Probably, but the '95 Outback was a weird model. My dad's mechanic (the last person to do the brakes) may have slipped an upgrade in there too.
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Old 01-14-2007, 05:36 PM   #13
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I upgraded mine from the 14" wheel style 1 pots back when I got the car. Raybestos part numbers for the loaded calipers (that's fully assembled on the brackets with pads ready to bolt-on) are:

Left - RC10981
Right - RC10982

plus the matching brake rotors are:

96658

If you already have the 15" sized stuff, get some performance pads, like hawk HPS or something.
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Old 01-14-2007, 06:05 PM   #14
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Yeah, and I totalled up the cost and simply cannot afford new rotors and HPS pads. And I certainly don't want to cheap out and get Axxis or some junk like that.
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Old 01-14-2007, 09:20 PM   #15
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to bad you are so far away, there are two outback wagons being parted out on the local craigslist..
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Old 01-15-2007, 12:27 AM   #16
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The two-piston front caliper GC RS, Outback & GT brakes are very decent for normal daily driving and will accept 15" wheels (although they are too large for 14" wheels). Unless you are a very serious Auto-X or "Track" your car, I have serious doubts as to the need to use a 2001+ WRX brake setup. Going that route basically REQUIRES 16" or larger wheels.

The additional "unsprung" mass of the WRX brakes & larger wheel setup is hard to justify. The 15" Legacy "L" alloy wheels are durable and are much lighter than a 16" wheel setup. This to me seems like an ideal compromise.

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Old 01-15-2007, 12:36 AM   #17
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I know the BE Ls had 15" rims like mine at one point, but were they the same brakes?
The BE (third generation) Legacy weighs something like an 400 Lbs more that the BD (second generation) Legacy. The front brake setup was rather quickly found to be inadequate for serious mountainous driving duties. My understanding is that after the first year of the BE (2000) Subaru upgraded all the BEs to the larger 16" wheel setup so as to accomodate the larger, more powerfull brake setups.
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The BE (third generation) Legacy weighs something like an 400 Lbs more that the BD (second generation) Legacy. The front brake setup was rather quickly found to be inadequate for serious mountainous driving duties. My understanding is that after the first year of the BE (2000) Subaru upgraded all the BEs to the larger 16" wheel setup so as to accomodate the larger, more powerfull brake setups.
BE L for all years sold in North America came with the 10.7" brakes (I should know). BE GT's got the bigger WRX brakes starting in 2002.
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why upgrade your brakes if you're still on 15" stock wheels?

you could go with a WRX setup. use the WRX rotor + caliper bracket in the summer. When you swap wheels swap rotors and remove the caliper bracket.

easy as 1-2-3
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Old 01-15-2007, 10:38 AM   #20
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Why not a brake fluid upgrade and SS lines? I'm not too familiar with these things but I've read improvements unless you've done these already. New rotors calipers and pads will be tons of $$ i would guess unless you are willing to spend that cash.
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Old 01-15-2007, 11:40 AM   #21
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Yeah i got 2 pots up front on my 97 BG. The calipers are the same on certain imprezas also. May wanna check around for a set if you dont already have 2 pots....

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Old 01-15-2007, 12:31 PM   #22
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i have a set laying around from my legacy mark. talk to me.

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You could start with new high quality pads + fluid (a full bleed). That'll make a huge difference without breaking the bank.
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Old 01-15-2007, 05:03 PM   #24
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Why not a brake fluid upgrade and SS lines? I'm not too familiar with these things but I've read improvements unless you've done these already. New rotors calipers and pads will be tons of $$ i would guess unless you are willing to spend that cash.
SS lines aren't cheap last time I checked, and not worth it to my stock brakes.

Since the rotors are warped, I HAVE to do that. I will bleed the brakes when I work on them. I'm just looking for a used upgrade that will be an easy fix until summer when I have the time to make some decent money.

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What about getting reason's parted out GT brake setup?
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