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Old 01-15-2007, 07:16 PM   #1
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OpenPort cable - does this require USB 2.0?

I searched, best I could find was
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you should probably buy a laptop that will at least run windows xp. need at least 10gigs, 500mhz, and 256mb ram.
Is the above quote the minimum or a best guess (but a really good best guess)?
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Old 01-15-2007, 11:10 PM   #2
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i would say a best guess dont quote me on this but a lower grade pc will just take longer to flash and might not handle loging well
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Old 01-15-2007, 11:39 PM   #3
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I would think that you could skimp on the hard drive a bit (down to maybe 5gigs), but 500mhz and 256mb are what xp recommends, I believe. I'm using an old 800mhz usb1 laptop with 256mb and a 6gig drive. It doesn't even have a battery so I have to boot it up everytime I get in my car
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Old 01-16-2007, 12:17 PM   #4
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I'm using a P3-600 with 512MB (Dell Latitude CPx),60G drive and I have no issues flashing or logging. Enginuity takes a while to load ROMs and is overall a little sluggish but workable.
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Old 01-16-2007, 12:37 PM   #5
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What operating system (os) are you guys running?

I've got a old Dell running WinMe laying around.
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Old 01-16-2007, 01:07 PM   #6
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What operating system (os) are you guys running?

I've got a old Dell running WinMe laying around.
i wouldn't even think of trusting my ECU to any genre of 98, including Mistake Edition. USB support is duct taped on as an afterthought for 98, and not supported very well or stable.

Go to 2000, it runs 10x better then ME and doesn't have quite as high of requirements as XP.
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Old 01-17-2007, 11:16 PM   #7
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USB support under Win98 was poor. WinME was just a nightmare on so many things... So that leaves XP, and XP without a bunch of ram hurts.
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Old 01-18-2007, 01:57 AM   #8
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Tom, here's my recommendation:

500MHz+ CPU, 512MB ram, Windows XP (home/professional, doesn't matter)

XP boots up so much faster than 2000 it's worth it. My current laptop is near those minimum specs and it takes at least 3-4 minutes before I can start using it. XP would boot up in at least half that if not faster.

256MB ram is the bare minimum, 512MB is much better, otherwise things start running slow especially if you have a couple programs open at the same time. You can get by with a slow processor, but something closer to 1 GHz will feel a bit better. Enginuity in particular will run a lot better with the 512MB and faster processor. Ecuflash seems to run pretty well on the slower hardware.

Hard drive doesn't really matter too much.
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Old 01-18-2007, 02:15 AM   #9
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You can buy a brand new laptop now for around $500. And it has XP, 256 or 512MB, at least a 60 GB hard drive, and built in wireless. If you get one that only has 256, I'd definitely upgrade it to 512. Windows Vista will be coming out January 30th, so if you're thinking of getting one soon, I'd get it before then. If not, then wait at least 6 months to get the bugs worked out in the new OS.
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Old 01-18-2007, 02:42 AM   #10
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Seeing as though I am currently a PC hardware and networking tech, I will have to disagree with the winblows XP recomendation. Xp is a ram intensive OS and runs like **** at minimum specs. Windows 2k is far faster on anything in the 800mhz-1.4ghz range. Considering xp is nothing more than a cosmetically enhanced version of 2k, It (2k) runs faster without all the bells and whistles. A good compromise would be 2003 small business server but its pickey about hardware and costs upwards of $300. I would stick with 2k for now. The ideal budget config would be Pentium 3 processor:

RK80530KZ012512 1.26 GHz 512K L1 Cache
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These p3's are great and easy to find in older laptops keep the 133mhz bus in mind which is actually faster than the early p4celleron chips. As for the rest, ideal would be : 384mb ram in pc133(speed) one 256mb stick and one 128mb stick assuming mother board will support diferent sizes (most do). My reasoning for the ram ammount, earlier processors dident have good memory controlers, having 512mb in a machine this old is not only overkill (and costs more) but will actually have a slight negitive impact (not noticible under normal conditions) on performance in windows 2k due to limitations on ram timings on early ram. So really anything over 384 is kind of a waste. Virtual memory in 2k is ok at best but it works so if any apps take more memory it will still handle them.as for hard drive the avarage in this era of computer would be about 10Gb which should be sufficient. After looking arround on ebay this type of setup should be arround $200-$300. Also a really small laptop that should be able to handle any of this would be an older sony picturebook they run a 667mhz or 677mhz (one or the other) transmetta crusoe processor ( whole different animal not going to explain) with 256mb of ram on avarage and go for about $400. These sony's are really small may fit in armrest extention or will definitly fit in glove box. Thats my $.02. Sorry for the spelling its late (might fix it later).
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Old 01-19-2007, 01:09 AM   #11
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Let me second the recommendation for older P3s. A P3 corporate off lease laptop will be much better than a new cheap consumer laptop ($500 Fry's special) and often much cheaper. I frequently get things like Compaq N600s for around $300.
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Old 01-19-2007, 09:32 AM   #12
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I bought the absolute cheapest new Dell that I could get for $450 (free shipping). I've even seen it at $400. It is more than enough for flashing/logging - 1.6Celeron, 256mb ram, 40 gb hd, XP (spend the $20 for an actual WinXP disk). I also reformatted it getting rid of all the garbage and crap that is on there.
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Old 01-19-2007, 10:50 AM   #13
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I am a patient person, I've got an old Dell with 400mhz, 192mb of ram, 6 gb hard drive and windows XP. It starts up ok and runs enginuity/ecuflash without any issues. It was free from a friend and I am not willing to spend anymore on a laptop I'll only use to reflash cars.
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Old 01-19-2007, 11:59 AM   #14
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Seeing as though I am currently a PC hardware and networking tech, I will have to disagree with the winblows XP recomendation.

see my recommendation above, for 2000 also! (I'm a network systems analyst). out of the box 2000 is slower booting then xp. give it a year of actual use and xp will have bloated itself to be slower booting then 2000 ever was. xp can be pruned down to about the same requirements as 2000, but if you have it available might as well just go straight to 2000 anyway.
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Old 01-19-2007, 12:19 PM   #15
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I bought the absolute cheapest new Dell that I could get for $450 (free shipping). I've even seen it at $400. It is more than enough for flashing/logging - 1.6Celeron, 256mb ram, 40 gb hd, XP (spend the $20 for an actual WinXP disk). I also reformatted it getting rid of all the garbage and crap that is on there.
Google for the "Dell Decrapifier" which also works on HP/Compaq...
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see my recommendation above, for 2000 also! (I'm a network systems analyst). out of the box 2000 is slower booting then xp. give it a year of actual use and xp will have bloated itself to be slower booting then 2000 ever was. xp can be pruned down to about the same requirements as 2000, but if you have it available might as well just go straight to 2000 anyway.
Both can work, but consider what is available? Outside of Geeks and techs, who has a legal copy of Win2k sitting around? And it is not worth changing a WinXP system to Win2k. Just run http://www.litepc.com/ on XP.
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Old 01-19-2007, 01:35 PM   #16
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I've got an old Toshiba P3-600 that I used for logging in my honda. It has win2k and it's much smoother/quicker than XP was. It simply doesn't have all the crap services running that XP has. Hopefully this will be enough so I don't need to buy another laptop...
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Old 01-19-2007, 04:48 PM   #17
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I highly recommend Windows 2000 or better (XP). You do not need USB 2.0. USB 1.1 is fine.

You don't need much. A P2-450 with 128MB RAM running Windows 2000 would be plenty. If anything extra RAM might help depending on how many programs and which programs you use.

I have a P3 1 GHz, 256MB SDRAM, 20GB, 48x CD-ROM, 14" screen. It's plenty to do what I want. With a pair of cheap PC speakers it doubles as my jukebox while working in the garage on my car.
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Old 01-21-2007, 03:09 PM   #18
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Dave, thanks for the input, I'll look around and see what I can hunt down following your suggestions.

BTW everyone, I happen to have a legal copy of Win2k laying around...and I'm far from a techno geek.
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Old 01-21-2007, 07:18 PM   #19
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I got mine off ebay.
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Old 01-21-2007, 08:50 PM   #20
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Well, I ordered the Tactrix cable today and I've got a laptop on stand by waiting for it to arrive.

I downloaded two ROM's off of OSEcuROMs, one is a stocker and the other is a stage 2. I'll use these as base maps to familiarize myself with everything.

My end goal is to make two maps, one that is nice streetable tune that can run in just about any elevation and climate sense I go to Texas, North Carolina, and VA every few years. The other map is needed for STU.
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Old 03-11-2007, 08:00 PM   #21
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Just an update, the laptop that I purchased is as follows

$450
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Old 03-12-2007, 04:04 PM   #22
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That's a lot of ram.
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Old 03-14-2007, 12:57 PM   #23
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usb and LOTS of battery runtime.

VERY fustrating using an old clonker with a iffy battery, trust me!
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Old 03-14-2007, 02:40 PM   #24
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usb and LOTS of battery runtime.

VERY fustrating using an old clonker with a iffy battery, trust me!
My old beater laptop doesn't even have a battery. I have a 12v inverter that I use to hook it up to the car with. Very frustrating to wait for it to boot up everytime I wanna log, then remember not to turn off the car before shutting down.
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Old 03-19-2007, 07:23 PM   #25
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That's a lot of ram.
I also use it for work and run some very demanding programs that eat ram for lunch.
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