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Old 01-16-2007, 09:11 PM   #1
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don't know how to center the column titles, so hopefully you guys can make it out. running an 18g map from PDX tuned for 19psi, 750cc injectors, ebay fmic, turbo inlet, turboxs short ram, turboxs turboback. i'm spiking BAD. and my boost wavers until it steadies out. seems like there is some type of delay in the boost system responding. please let me know what you guys think. i'm not an expert, but i think there are weird things going on in the 4000-4500 rpm range ( i think) thanks!


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	Engine Speed (RPM)	Manifold Absolute Pressure (PSI)	Air/Fuel Learning #1 (%)	Air/Fuel Correction #1 (%)	Throttle Opening Angle (%)	Mass Air Flow (g/s)	Intake Air Temperature (°C)	Ignition Timing (°BTDC)	Knock Correction (°BTDC)	Air Flow Sensor Voltage (V)	Primary Wastegate Duty Cycle (%)	Knock Signal #1 (On/Off)	Advance Multiplier (020124) ()	Advance Multiplier (020120) ()	Advance Multiplier (020118) ()	Advance Multiplier (020128) ()	Advance Multiplier (802244) ()	Advance Multiplier (80224A) ()	Advance Multiplier (80224E) ()	Advance Multiplier (80225E) ()	Advance Multiplier (020168) ()
																				
	2646	4.353	7.81	9.38	5.1	10.61	14	30	0	1.74	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2617	4.788	5.47	9.38	5.49	11.6	14	32	0	1.78	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2630	5.369	4.69	10.94	10.59	19.71	14	38	0	2.1	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2621	8.271	3.91	7.03	12.16	25.03	14	37	0	2.24	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2636	8.996	3.13	7.81	12.94	26.8	14	36	0	2.28	0.78	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2633	9.431	2.34	3.91	13.33	28.75	14	36	0	2.3	1.18	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2671	9.722	1.56	3.91	13.33	30.37	14	35	0	2.36	1.57	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2695	9.867	1.56	3.13	13.33	30.69	14	35	0	2.36	1.57	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2701	10.012	0.78	4.69	13.73	30.9	14	34	0	2.36	1.57	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2716	10.157	-0.78	5.47	13.73	30.67	14	34	0	2.38	1.57	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2738	10.157	-0.78	1.56	13.73	32.12	14	34	0	2.4	1.57	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2753	10.157	-0.78	-1.56	13.73	32	14	34	0	2.4	1.96	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
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	2805	10.302	0	0	13.73	32.54	14	33	0	2.4	1.96	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2852	10.302	-0.78	-0.78	13.73	31.88	14	34	0	2.4	1.96	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2843	10.012	-0.78	-0.78	12.94	30.9	14	34	0	2.36	0.78	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2889	9.431	-0.78	-0.78	12.55	28.45	14	35	0	2.32	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2867	9.576	-0.78	0.78	23.14	30.06	14	35	0	2.38	6.27	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	2994	16.976	-1.56	0	74.12	71.42	14	24	8	3.02	15.69	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	3025	18.718	-1.56	0	91.37	78.44	13	14	7	3.16	28.24	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	3028	20.749	-1.56	0	98.43	89.89	13	14	7	3.2	40.78	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	3153	22.345	-1.56	0	100	103.49	13	13	7	3.36	53.33	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	3204	24.667	-1.56	0	100	113.25	13	12	7	3.54	65.88	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	3278	27.278	-1.56	0	100	128.32	13	11	7	3.6	78.43	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	3401	29.89	-1.56	0	100	144.03	13	10	7	3.74	87.84	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	3495	32.792	-1.56	0	100	173.47	13	10	7	4	90.98	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	3658	36.129	-1.56	0	100	195.84	13	8	7	4.14	77.25	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	3778	37	-1.56	0	100	205.45	13	8	7	4.2	57.25	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	3958	36.565	-1.56	0	100	176.6	12	10	7	4	37.25	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	4069	33.663	-1.56	0	100	161.99	12	12	7	3.86	30.2	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	4235	30.035	-1.56	0	100	170.36	12	10	5	3.9	40.78	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	4363	30.471	-1.56	0	100	194.7	12	8	5	4.12	50.2	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	4478	32.502	-1.56	0	100	214.53	12	8	5	4.26	54.51	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	4570	33.227	-1.56	0	100	220.19	11	10	5	4.28	54.9	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	4720	33.518	-1.56	0	100	228.24	11	11	5	4.36	54.51	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	4896	33.227	-1.56	0	100	237.63	11	11	5	4.38	54.51	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	4973	32.937	-1.56	0	100	235.92	11	11	5	4.4	54.51	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5169	32.357	-1.56	0	100	239.33	11	11	5	4.4	55.29	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5259	32.357	-1.56	0	100	249.49	11	12	6	4.46	56.08	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5349	32.067	-1.56	0	100	254.41	11	12	6	4.48	57.25	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5523	31.922	-1.56	0	100	255.75	10	12	6	4.5	58.04	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5626	31.776	-1.56	0	100	266.03	10	13	6	4.52	60	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5738	31.776	-1.56	0	100	271.2	10	13	6	4.56	61.18	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5910	31.776	-1.56	0	100	273.62	10	13	6	4.58	62.75	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	6005	31.776	-1.56	0	100	274.59	10	13	6	4.6	63.53	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	6068	31.776	-1.56	0	81.96	282.45	10	14	6	4.62	64.71	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	6093	15.671	-1.56	0	0	5.79	10	12	0	1.42	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	6053	5.949	-0.78	0	0	10.74	10	12	0	1.76	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	6068	4.788	-0.78	0	0	17.74	10	12	0	2.04	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5962	4.643	-0.78	0	0	20.17	10	12	0	2.1	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5948	4.643	-0.78	0	0	21.63	10	12	0	2.16	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5905	4.353	-0.78	0	0	21.12	10	12	0	2.14	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5809	4.063	-0.78	0	0	19.51	10	12	0	2.1	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5823	3.918	-0.78	0	0	16.8	10	12	0	1.56	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5765	3.773	-0.78	0	0	17.15	10	12	0	2.02	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5669	3.918	-0.78	0	0	17.9	11	12	0	2.04	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5656	3.773	-0.78	0	0	16.8	11	12	0	2	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5614	3.773	-0.78	0	0	16.74	11	12	0	2	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5519	3.627	-0.78	0	0	16.26	11	12	0	2	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5482	3.627	-0.78	0	0	17.15	11	12	0	2.02	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5439	3.627	-0.78	0	0	15.36	11	12	0	1.94	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5392	3.627	-0.78	0	0	15.84	12	12	0	1.96	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5349	3.482	-0.78	0	0	15.71	12	12	0	1.96	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5353	3.482	-0.78	0	0	16.05	12	12	0	1.96	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5259	3.482	-0.78	0	0	16.26	12	12	0	1.98	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5245	3.482	-0.78	0	0	15.77	12	12	0	1.98	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5205	3.482	-0.78	0	0	15.57	12	12	0	1.98	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5158	3.482	-0.78	0	0	15.36	12	12	0	1.94	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5130	3.337	-0.78	0	0	15.1	12	12	0	1.94	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5081	3.337	-0.78	0	0	14.2	12	12	0	1.92	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	5007	3.337	-0.78	0	0	13.66	13	12	0	1.9	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	4996	3.337	-0.78	0	0	13.66	13	12	0	1.88	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	4944	3.337	-0.78	0	0	13.77	13	12	0	1.88	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	4912	3.337	-0.78	0	0	13.66	13	12	0	1.9	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
	4845	3.337	-0.78	0	0	12.9	13	12	0	1.86	0	0	12	0	226	128	255	255	255	255	8
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Old 01-16-2007, 11:08 PM   #2
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Based on a quick look since that table was difficult to read, I think your WGDC is to blame for the overshoot. It needs to be reduced in the 3400-3700 RPM range, maybe to 75% instead of 95%.
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i don't think its the wgdc, because i've been sent maps with lower wgdc with no avail. today, i swapped out the hose with the pill to one without it, and my spiking stopped. i'm also not hitting target boost (obviously). so maybe i just need a new pill? or possibly run without the pill and adjust the wastegate arm?
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Old 01-16-2007, 11:53 PM   #4
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This car must be slow as balls from what I can tell. It is flowing a "decent" amount of air..but should be a lot more for an 18g.

What gear was this logged in?

You are running VERY low timing although linear, but barely ramps up at all from peak torque to redline. I see 8* at around 4000rpm then stops at 13-14* at 6000rpm.

Your advance multiplier is low, at only 12. I imagine the culprit is in the fueling.

Any idea what your AFRs look like?
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Old 01-16-2007, 11:56 PM   #5
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3rd gear log. don't have anything to log a/f right now. this is a PDX "e-tune" map by the way. what should my advance multiplier be? and what kind of timing should i be running?
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You are running VERY low timing although linear, but barely ramps up at all from peak torque to redline. I see 8* at around 4000rpm then stops at 13-14* at 6000rpm.
At first glance, you're right. But look at the actual IT (~3600-4400rpm). The ECU wants to run more and pulls timing multiple times. The map is timed more aggressively than is being realized.
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should i be worried at all????
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anyone??????????
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Yes, like I said, I think you have fueling issues. What type of gas are you using? And also, can you get a log of the A/F?
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how can you tell there are fueling issues
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how can you tell there are fueling issues
Because your timing is very conservative and yet, the ECU still wants to pull timing. This is due to det/knock most likely.

The main other immediate thing you can do is remove boost. All else being equal, this should also help to alleviate det/knock. Log MRP corrected, which is the same/close reading as what a boost gauge would read. This will make logs easier to interpret.
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My comments are going to mirror the other guys:

1. Max WGDC seems way too high. I would lower max WGDC below 3500 rpm to 65 to get that spike under control.
2. Timing seems low, but that could be because of the spike. ECU definitely seems to be picking up some knock.

You should add TPS to the columns to log as well. Remove all those extra IAM columns which aren't correct.
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well, PDX sent me some maps with lower wastegate duty cycles, but my boost still spikes. i removed the restrictor pill, and i can still hit around 1.05-1.10 bar of boost. is this possible? no more spiking though without the pill.
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Got any logs with the new map? Perhaps your wastegate actuator arm is too tight?
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no logs yet with the new maps. i'm going to try putting a mbc in the line going to the compressor nipple - in essense, a "variable restrictor pill." the tee and the lines going to the wastegate and the bcs are intact, so the ecu will still be able to control boost. i just want to see if i can "tune" out the boost spike, and work from there. PDX emailed me and said that my low Advance Multiplier was low because of my boost spikes.
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You really need to get some A/F logs.
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correct me if i'm wrong - should ignition timing values (in degrees) drop as rpm increases? and if they drop and rise, that could mean the engine is picking up knock/det and is backing off correct? also, what constitutes "low timing"?
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correct me if i'm wrong - should ignition timing values (in degrees) drop as rpm increases? and if they drop and rise, that could mean the engine is picking up knock/det and is backing off correct? also, what constitutes "low timing"?
No just the opposite. Timing BTDC needs to increase as RPM increases as there is less time for the fuel to burn at higher RPM so it must be ignited sooner. This is especially true once the boost begins to drop off in higher RPM.
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but midrange, timing should rise correct? then drop off as rpm's increase the higher rev range due to the pistons moving a lot faster?
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No. Timing will go down as the turbo spools and hits full boost, generally once the turbo spools timing will go up all the way to redline. Often timing will go up 5* between 6-7k RPM as boost is also dropping off, too.
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so whose right between you two ^
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Old 01-20-2007, 10:53 PM   #24
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so whose right between you two ^
We both are correct but drees stated it clearer. Timing drops some as boost builds and then increases again after about 5k or so.
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Old 01-21-2007, 12:38 AM   #25
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Yep, think of it this way:

Holding load constant, faster RPM = more timing (in general).
Holding RPM constant, more load = less timing (in general).

So depending on how load/RPM is changing will determine whether or not timing is being reduced, staying the same are going up.
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