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Old 11-26-2001, 08:46 PM   #1
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Default Automatic 02rs power question...how can I:

Hey. I have an automatic 02rs and I am not trying to be one of those, Well....you know what type of person I am talking about. But I am trying to develop a base line for my car as n/a before I go turbo.

From stock. What do I need to do to make my 02rs automatic faster then a stock Civic Si.
I have heard that 5speed GC6(or8)'s are almost nose to nose with these guys till the end of a quarter mile or so.

I have a Cobb intake
I am going to order cobb street cams
what else should I get or do to my car?

Please don't post "get a manual" or somthing like that. Because I can't afford that mod...and it isn't worth my time due to traffic situations, distance driving and the amount of time I drive everyday. (14k in 2 months already) I do wish I could use a manual but the way I drive I don't think my clutch or gears would last long enough to make the car affordable. Thanks for any help you guys can give me.
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Old 11-26-2001, 08:56 PM   #2
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so simple..mod the Torque converter at www.levelten.com
cost about $800(ind. shipping fee and installation).
Cam is good but only if you always go above 80mph+
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Old 11-26-2001, 11:12 PM   #3
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a cat back should help you out in the power dept. by a fair amount as well. save those pennies.
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Old 11-27-2001, 12:45 AM   #4
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Neal,,the 4eat aint that bad, the level ten mod is exspensive and will void yr warranty probably.Here's what im runnin with the auto and my car's fairly quick;
Cobb intake
Unorthodox pulley
Random tech high flow cat
Stromung mid pipe
Stromung twin tip
Magnecor plug wires
With this setup the Rs 5spd will be left behind,I lost a little low end grunt after the exhaust install,but the midrange more then makes up fr it.My car slams off the rev limiter in each gear and just keeps goin.
I have the Cobb cams on order and will probably do the borla or Revo headers in the spring.I know this will boost the high end more but the fact that you can punch it at about 30 and get slapped back in yr seat is somethin im gettin used to.
Believe me,,after you launch,there's not many who can shift as fast as the 4eat.And I know some of my mods would void the warranty too,but there all easily replacable with stock parts if ya gotta go back to the dealer.
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Old 11-27-2001, 01:09 AM   #5
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Hmm interesting... I thought cams were based on RPM, not speed.
Cams will help yah out at any speed if you can get to the band.

Cams, cams, the rev-able mod, the more you rev, the faster you go, so rev more at every light!

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Cam is good but only if you always go above 80mph+
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Old 11-27-2001, 01:23 AM   #6
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Rudy:
Thanks for the list and info. I got a few questions....What did this do for you?
Magnecor plug wires? Did you also change the plugs?
Also
Unorthodox pulley. Was it a good improvement? Where did you get it from? Would you say it is worth the cost? Did you get side effects from it?

Also My goal is to also stick with the stock exuast. (sleeper look, no cops look and the fact that i am going to need a new one when I get the turbo)
Thanks for all the help guys...I realy appreciate this. Keep them comming
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Old 11-27-2001, 01:23 AM   #7
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forgot to ask...did you also do the level 10 mod?
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Old 11-27-2001, 02:26 AM   #8
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the cams make the car pull like it should...neal combine those with the Torque converter and your intake with a pulley and you'll be set for a while.

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Old 11-27-2001, 03:07 AM   #9
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Hmm interesting... I thought cams were based on RPM, not speed.
Cams will help yah out at any speed if you can get to the band.

Cams, cams, the rev-able mod, the more you rev, the faster you go, so rev more at every light!

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Old 11-27-2001, 03:29 AM   #10
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well i did ride in midway's car....the higher the rpm...the more it pulled!...even over stock 5speed.
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Old 11-27-2001, 03:45 AM   #11
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Get the basic boltons, and throw in the cams, bore the throttle body and some form of fuel controller and you should be at your goal.
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Old 11-27-2001, 04:02 AM   #12
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umm if you are talking about the MPH at the bottom of the chart that is a 4th gear run to redline....that is not showing that the power comes in a top speed...cams work at ALL engine speeds....gets you thru the gears MUCH quicker..

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Old 11-27-2001, 12:48 PM   #13
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Neal,,,
Magnecor wires,,I got em cheap from a guy who was sellin.I wouldnt spend $125 fr em.They did kinda smooth out the engine some.The stock wires are good.If Subaru is still putten those crap Champion plugs in your car,,Change them,,go to your manual get the correct NGK plug.
Unorthodox pulley,,got it from Dale Teague(see vendors, very good to deal with.Spent around $160,I think there more now,but there 's others on the market now fr less.
The pulley is worth the dough,it definately improves midrange pull and performance.The pulley will not (according to me and many others) have any ill side affects on engine.The only down side is yr lites dim a bit at idle.This will not affect yr alternator or battery unless yr runnin some kinda high watt stereo system.
Level Ten,,nope not me,my car shifts hard now,and the warranty thing is an issue fr me at the present.
As far as the exhaust goes,with the Cobb intake your runnin,your putten alot in and not much out.You will feel a BIG difference with an exhaust.For now,why not get one used, or have a local guy weld somethin up.It dosnt have to be loud,go with bigger piping and have them weld in a cheap resonator.
As far as the cams go, Jeremy's right,they add all threw the power band,but the headers are a top end mod fr a N/A car(my opinion).
Hope this helps
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Old 11-27-2001, 01:00 PM   #14
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the torque converter ...that's the most important. Cams have more of a chance of screwing up the car than the converter.
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Old 11-27-2001, 01:03 PM   #15
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used wrx exaust...hmmm would that be a good idea...I seem to be one of the only 02rs's in the midwest so anything used it going to be for the wrx...
But thanks for the help
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Old 11-27-2001, 01:22 PM   #16
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Default I beg to differ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The cams Cobb sells wont screw up the motor,im told by reliable sources that they will pass as stock to all but the most dicriminating tech.All the dealer would have to do is take your car fr a ride with the Level Ten job,he'd sure notice that in a hurry,then he mite start lookin fr other stuff.Faraz,Neal's car is almost new=warranty=gets fixed fr nothin.
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Old 11-27-2001, 02:13 PM   #17
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Yeah...brand spanking new..but soon if a certain i-club memeber would get his stuff togeather my car will be totally void. IE: be the first 02rs turboed
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Old 11-27-2001, 03:59 PM   #19
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um, keeping up with a civic Si will probably prove to be quite a challenge. you'll need to bump the engine output up to 191hp just to get the same power/weight ratio. then you'll need even more power to overcome the disadvantage of an awd automatic.
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Old 11-27-2001, 08:16 PM   #20
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I thought...stock to stock a rs manual could keep up with a vtech si for a while atleast...
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Old 11-27-2001, 08:26 PM   #21
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since were are on the subject , i am also thinking the route about puting a cam in my auto rs but also wanted to install a 50- 60 shot of nitrous , will the came help or will it take away from the nitrous , and for the cam would it be better to use a turbo cam , or say the street cam ?

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Old 11-27-2001, 08:50 PM   #22
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Default rs power?

Subysteve, you only want a turbo cam if you are going to turbo your car....otherwise get the cobb street cam. I have heard that you will lose just a little low end torque, but the top end is greatly improved. as for nitrous, I'm not sure on the effects of having both. your car would probably run fine. i would get intake and exhaust first and then some electronics.

Doctornick.....
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I thought...stock to stock a rs manual could keep up with a vtech si for a while atleast...
well, it can but it will be taken by the SI at just about 60 mph.

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Hey. I have an automatic 02rs and I am not trying to be one of those, Well....you know what type of person I am talking about. But I am trying to develop a base line for my car as n/a before I go turbo.
What kind of person are you talking about?


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why did you buy a 270 dollar intake if you are going to turbo your rs?


oh yeah, and you shoulda got a 5-speed.
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Old 11-27-2001, 09:43 PM   #23
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What you do you see is wait for it to snow then race them. Then you will see why you payed a little more for a suby.
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Old 11-27-2001, 09:51 PM   #24
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Default Re: rs power?

"confused: why did you buy a 270 dollar intake if you are going to turbo your rs?"

Well It wasn't 270 when I bought it. I got a deal. I also for sure wouldn't have spent that kidna cash for an intake.
Also I am buying mods that will also be transpherable for thr turbo. Hence the Cams that are both efficiant for a n/a car and a turbo'd car. I know they won't be as good as if I got the pure n/a cams or as good as the pure tubo'd cams but you know. Give a little, get a little.

Um and I comment about 5spd and what type of person I am. I actually enjoy automatic transmitions. Also for a long time stick was out of the question. I had sustained an injury to my knee my senior year playing lacrosse for my state team that mad my knee very very weak. To the point I had crutches and tok pain pils everyday.
Also I am not the type of guy that wants a fast car to beat cobra mustangs and mod'd preludes. I want a car that can keep up with my friends cars (6 banger stang, si civic, gti vr6, supra(non turboed), a ex civic, a gti (4banger) and a z28 camero.) I know out of all those guys I have the slowest car. So I rather keep in the middle of the pack. Hence the si comment. Also when i go turbo I want to have a car that can get 14sec quarter miles so I can keep up wth my wrx friends.
When it comes down to it. I love my car as is. When i go to the abandon race track by my school and run around with the guys...I am always #2 in the end. Because in the end...it comes down to the driver...and I am the best there. the only reason I am number 2 is because the gti vr6 is turbo'd and the end of the track has a quarter miles strait so he just passes me up on that part.

Well it isn't like you guys realy read all o fit so I am just going to say. I want to be as fast as my faster friends in NA and then embaras them when I go FI
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Old 11-27-2001, 10:44 PM   #25
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DoctorNick,
I don't think your car is slower than an EX Civic.
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