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Old 11-28-2001, 03:18 AM   #1
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I was ready to buy the magnaflow dual tip street muffler when I saw a carbon fiber muffler by Ractive for about the same price. I know Ractive ain't the greatest company but I was wondering how such a muffler would compare to others. I'm looking for a deep growl yet quiet enough not to get pulled over. I know the Magnaflow can do this but what other mufflers are there? I tried searching for the carbon muffler and I only found one post about a karbonlite (sp?) muffler and there was no info in that thread. I'm looking to spend around $150 or so. Thanks!

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Old 11-28-2001, 03:35 AM   #2
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You are not getting much for $150, unless you mean $150 for the can and then having the rest of the exhaust fabricated. Carbon fiber mufflers are generally just steel mufflers wrapped with carbon fiber. They look cool, but they don't sound or work any differently.


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Old 11-28-2001, 03:45 AM   #3
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Yeah, I meant $150 for just the muffler can. So if it's CF wrapped around steel then there probably wouldn't be any weight savings? So looks like I'm leaning towards the magnaflow. Does anyone know how different the street and race series perform/sound? I've heard some say that the race isn't that loud while others have said that it is. On the Uncle Ben's meter which one is ricier? I like the dual tips on the street series but I'd sacrifice that if the race series wasn't too loud and performed better. Any other favorites out there that would do the same?

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Old 11-28-2001, 03:46 AM   #4
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good point ben.

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Old 11-28-2001, 03:59 AM   #5
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I've got a Rallispec 2.25" piping with Magnaflow single tip muffler (not installed, I went back to stock). Even with no resonator, it isn't that loud. The muffler itself is very well made...higher quality than the Stromung mufflers, imo (I just received my Stromung dual tip stainless today and am really not impressed with the lumpy, uneven welds and splash/scatter). I expected a lot more for the price.

I think you are right in leaning towards Magnaflow. If you prefer the look of the race series, then go for it. If it is too loud, you can have the mid pipe cut down and one of the race mufflers/resonators welded in to cut the noise down.


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Old 11-28-2001, 09:30 AM   #6
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I just got the dual tip magnaflow put in with a custom 2.25" cat back. I really like it.

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Old 11-28-2001, 11:25 AM   #7
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I had a 2.5" catback w/ dualtip magnaflow... it sounded great but was EXTREMELY LOUD... I even wonder if the muffler did anything to quiet the system at all... I'm not trying to talk you out of it, I'm just warning you... other causes for it being loud was that I went 2.5" AND I believe there may have been a leak... you may have read my complaints before but DON"T GO TO MIDAS... They did a ****ty job and wouldn't fix it unless there was a "problem"(ie didn't work as it should).. it wasn't until I had it off and was looking at it that i realized there was a "problem" and it was leaking...
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Old 11-28-2001, 01:19 PM   #8
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Ok, cool, looks like magnaflow street for me (I didn't really like any of the race series tips). I'm going to get my pipes custom made by someone my friend knows. My friend is a partner in one of the largest auto parts distributors in SoCal. and he said that he trusts this guy. If he does a good job I might try to convince him to offer the same setup to others as well. How much should I expect to pay for a good job? I'd like stainless and mandrel bends (although I'm sure it will be pieces welded together). Thanks!

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Old 11-28-2001, 04:56 PM   #9
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Maybe I'm old fashioned but I feel you get what you pay for.

Do you want quality or price. If you onlt want to soend $150 on the box you'll get a muffler that although it may sound cool it will rust, rot, and not offer the gains of a better engineered and built muffler.

My advise would be to save up and get a better box.

I recently installed my Scoobysport Muffler (approx $500) and a Stromung 57mm Stainless SteelMid-Pipe (Approx $190)

Pricey but the box has a 25 year guarentee and I don't see the mid-pipe lasting less than 10 years as well.

Yes it's a bit loud but WAY less noisy than some of these Saki Screamers you hear around town.

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Old 11-28-2001, 05:04 PM   #10
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PROOOOOODRIVE. i love mine. damned if i know where you can get one though...

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Old 11-28-2001, 06:29 PM   #11
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Well from what I understand, the magnaflow is a quality unit with a lifetime warranty. If I remember correctly, the unit is stainless steel with seamless welds and a perforated core. I don't see how much better one could make a muffler to justify spending more than 3 times the amount. Sometimes you get what you pay for but that doesn't mean that something expensive is necessarily the best. Don't get me wrong, I hear the scoobysport muffler is great but I don't feel that a muffler is worth that much to me.

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Old 11-28-2001, 07:29 PM   #12
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have to agree w/ fusion here... 500 bux for a muffler is pretty rediculous... the magnaflow may not sound quite as nice, but it won't ever rust or anything... very very high quality unit and very nicely priced... you should be able to get it for less than 150 tho... I got mine for like 80, I think... good luck!
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Old 11-28-2001, 07:38 PM   #13
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Where did you get yours from? The best price I found was on this site: http://www.exhaustproslinc.com/ Model M-14815. Did you get the universal and weld on the tips separately? Thanks.

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Old 11-28-2001, 10:13 PM   #14
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BTW, anyone hear of Powertech mufflers? I've seen them on ebay and they seem alright but I'm suspicious since I can't find any info on them anywhere. Thanks!

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Old 11-28-2001, 10:31 PM   #15
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haig, you can hear my street series magnaflow with 2.25" cat-back piping on friday if you go to the krispy kreme meet. done right in your backyard at advance muffler in torrance. see this post for address: http://i-club.com/forums/showthread...threadid=100857
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Old 11-28-2001, 10:54 PM   #16
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well I'm probably the only one with a ractive muffler I guess. It serves me well... It's got a 4 1/2" tip and it is pretty loud but not loud enough to get pulled over (atleast I haven't gotten pulled over yet). It sounds kinda crappy from 1-3 RPMs but after 4 it sounds kinda cool... I definitly got a lot of gain... more low end torque than anything else. For 100 bucks it was worth it!!

oh yeah forgot to mention the fact that I got it put on by cole muffler and there were no hanger mounts on the muffler so he just welded the hanger to the muffler. It has held on so far so I'm not complaining.
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Old 11-29-2001, 01:29 PM   #17
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Actually... I had forgotten about the tips... I think they were an extra 20 or 30 bux... got mine at www.exhaustproslinc.com
it's more expensive now, because I got some sort of discount for some reason... i don't really remember why tho... maybe you could search around and find out...
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Old 11-29-2001, 03:53 PM   #18
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I was going to go for a lesser muffler at first but I firmly believe in Scoobysport. I believe they have much more R&D experience w/ scoobies.
Proven quality and performance.

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Old 11-29-2001, 04:31 PM   #19
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So basically I'm looking at:

$150 for the muffler
$??? for custom 2.25" piping

Any idea how much I should expect to spend on the piping? I've also read about WRX mid pipes being that diameter, would it be worth it to get one of those and only have the axel back part customed? Thanks!

Tats,

Since so many people have attested to the durability of the magnaflow and given its design (perforated core/straight thru/stainless steel/high quality construction) and the lifetime warranty, what would the scoobysport offer over and above this (besides costing more)? If you still feel that paying more for something makes it better, then would you like to buy my stock muffler for $600? I understand the point about having R&D back up the product but the muffler is a pretty simple part in relation to other performance items. I don't see how much more one can "tune" a straight through design. The only benefit of R&D after a certain quality/performance threshold is reached would be noise reduction. Please correct me if I'm wrong because, in my opinion, I can't see any other differences between the magnaflow and more expensive options.

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Old 11-29-2001, 07:59 PM   #20
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haig, the "???" for SS piping is going to depend whether or not you want crush-bent or mandrel. can't give you any numbers on the mandrel, but my crush-bent ran about $80 labor and material.
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Old 11-29-2001, 09:50 PM   #21
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Fusion,

I'm not trying to be combative. And no, more expensive is not necessarily better. My replica fog light covers and 22b vents could attest to that.

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Old 11-29-2001, 10:38 PM   #22
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Tats

Sorry dude, neither was I. But I'm still curious about what you think makes the scoobysport better. I always like to be well informed about something before I make a decision.

GTkrockett

I'm definitely going to get stainless mandrel bent piping. I figure I'm going to keep this car for a long time and I don't want to replace things too often once I've upgraded them. Thanks for the info on the crush bent option though. Was that for mild steel?

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Old 11-30-2001, 01:05 PM   #23
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What if you weren't concerned with noise or cost? Do they all perform relatively the same?
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Old 11-30-2001, 01:52 PM   #24
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Well, from what I hear, really cheap quality stuff rusts and tends to blow out the sound damping materials in the muffler. This is what I meant by quality/performance threshold. If a muffler can keep from doing this while providing a respectable increase in flow, then it should be all good regardless of how much you found it for.

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Old 11-30-2001, 09:29 PM   #25
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Honestly Fusion....I really do have to agree with you on that point.

As long a some common sense is used in the design of the box there should be fairly common performance increases between all of them.

I must admit that the MAIN reason I bought the scooby sport was for the due to the fact that they are very reputable in the performance industry, are entirely hand made and welded and have the best sound in my opinion.

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