brembos in my 99 leg

b4u · 01-30-2007, 07:26 PM

do you guys think it would be possible to fit brembo breaks system ( lines, rotors, capliers) from a stock sti on my 99 leg?

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DLC · 01-30-2007, 07:28 PM

Should fit, but you'll need 17" wheels to go along with them.

rougeben83 · 01-30-2007, 07:39 PM

fronts bolt up just fine. Rears will need the hubs.

Wiscon_Mark · 01-30-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rougeben83

fronts bolt up just fine. Rears will need the hubs.

Even if you got the 04STi brembos, which had the older style hubs?

rougeben83 · 01-30-2007, 07:52 PM

Hmm I think so; STi's got a beefier rear end (r180 lsd with matching axles and hubs) but double check in the brakes section about what wrx guys did to convert their rears to Brembo's.

AFAIK, there's a little more work involved than the front, which bolts up just like any other subaru front brake.

b4u · 01-30-2007, 08:34 PM

hmm you guys think just adding new rotors be just as good? like say, cobb?

rougeben83 · 01-30-2007, 09:01 PM

pads and lines more like.

They won't be like brembos, but they'll be much better than what you have right now more likely.

Get whatever rotors fit your budget.

Cobb is just overpriced for anything that they make, but that's IMO.

skunkfifty · 01-30-2007, 09:40 PM

+1 pads and stainless lines.

The only boost you'll get from rotors is by getting beefier ones, more metal in them means they can absorb more heat. key words: more metal, as in not drilled and/or slotted. check out the brake faq.

Kraziken · 01-30-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rougeben83

Hmm I think so; STi's got a beefier rear end (r180 lsd with matching axles and hubs) but double check in the brakes section about what wrx guys did to convert their rears to Brembo's.

AFAIK, there's a little more work involved than the front, which bolts up just like any other subaru front brake.

Without converting the rear hubs, you can buy an adapter. Godspeed made one before they went out of business, and I think TWR Racing was the other company.

The problem with the adapters, is they are pricey, around $600.

I was going to buy the adapter, but that was before my tranny blew, so I'm just converting to the R180.

b4u · 01-30-2007, 10:49 PM

so any suggestions on which brand i should go with?

rougeben83 · 01-30-2007, 10:56 PM

WRX front brakes if you want to size up.

Kraziken · 01-30-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by b4u

so any suggestions on which brand i should go with?

I think the question is, what is your budget? Depending on what you're willing to spend you could go with several different options.

I'll have a set of WRX brakes and H6 rear brakes/calipers available soon, but I think someone else has dibs, I'll have to check.

I'd recommend the Subaru 4 pots, but, at that price, I would either look used or go STI brembo's.

https://www.subarugenuineparts.com/p...roducts_id=916

LastResort · 01-30-2007, 11:17 PM

tom@kartboy boy has mentioned in the past that he may be able to modify his existing Subaru 2 pot adapter plate to fit the brembo 2 pot rear calipers. That assumes that the Legacy R160 mounting is already same as the as the impreza. Which I think it is, since we can steal your rear caliper. Even after all of this, you still have a final issue. No emergency brake. The rear rotors from the Brembo have a larger emergency drum brake. One firx, that WRXbrakes has discussed, is custom rotors. This could be expensive in the long run. I've also run across a company in the UK that had an OEM rear emergency brake shoes made up with a thicker pad. As these usually last more than the lifetime of the vehicle, and could use a wide variety of rotors, I think this is the better idea.

rougeben83 · 01-30-2007, 11:23 PM

In all honesty; Brembos are bling. I mean, for the most part the people that put them on their cars will never really use them for the kinds of applications that they were intended for. Now if you want them, that's great, but it seems you are more looking to upgrade the way your car stops moreso trying to look good in addition to it...

Kraziken · 01-30-2007, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rougeben83

In all honesty; Brembos are bling. I mean, for the most part the people that put them on their cars will never really use them for the kinds of applications that they were intended for. Now if you want them, that's great, but it seems you are more looking to upgrade the way your car stops moreso trying to look good in addition to it...

I would generally agree, except the brake feel that I have, is not as good as my wife's OEM setup in her IS300.

I think I mentioned this in the other braking thread, but I am picky. She even laughed at me that after all the mods I did (racing fluid, wrx fronts, H6 rears, semi-metallic pads) that the brakes weren't as good. I concluded that the only thing it could be is the larger leverage of the IS300 brake rotors.

I'll hopefully be able to report the changes soon. I swear to god if it doesn't deliver what I want, I'll be saving my pennies for a full Stoptech kit. I'm obsessesed at this point.

LastResort · 01-30-2007, 11:31 PM

My guess is that a lot of your dissatisfaction with the OEM brake setup is the master cylinder, not a lot of options there.

Wiscon_Mark · 01-30-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LastResort

My guess is that a lot of your dissatisfaction with the OEM brake setup is the master cylinder, not a lot of options there.

hmmm, I wonder if the Master Cylinder off an STi would be doable?

LastResort · 01-30-2007, 11:57 PM

I think Subaru has one master cylinder in all products.

Wiscon_Mark · 01-31-2007, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LastResort

I think Subaru has one master cylinder in all products.

Really? Well that's a bunch of crap.

Kraziken · 01-31-2007, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LastResort

My guess is that a lot of your dissatisfaction with the OEM brake setup is the master cylinder, not a lot of options there.

Well, I wouldn't say I'm tottally upset, because it was a big improvement over stock.

I'm not convinced it is the master cylinder.

The other comparison I would make is my setup is not as good as my brothers Saab 92-x.

He did a Stoptech front kit, and did H6 rears. As a test I pushed it up to 90, and did a hard brake (not a full on emergency brake). The effect was amazing.

Granted, that type of performance is not needed for a daily driver though.

xcntrk75 · 01-31-2007, 08:37 AM

If you got to have the “Brembo’s” why don’t you just buy the wrx specific kit? Brembo makes a complete front & rear kit for the WRX platform (same as LGT) with an R160 rear diff and backing plates. In other words, completely bolt on…no adapters, no new backing plates, hubs, etc…

http://www.fastwrx.com/brstibrup.html

iamrazor · 01-31-2007, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LastResort

I think Subaru has one master cylinder in all products.

older imprezas had a single stage master cyl. This gave a much firmer pedal. The dual-stage master cyl makes you have to pump once before you get good pedal feel. fine on the street, but on the track it kinda stinks.

Unless your tracking the car I wouldn't spend that much $ on brembos. well unless your rich too. in that case, who cares

ten80 · 01-31-2007, 09:04 AM

^ Ditto. Subaru DEFINATELY uses a different master cylinder on older cars (especially those with rear drums), present cars, and STi's. A four pot piston like Brembos need more fluid pushed to make the pistons activate, hence the need for a larger piston in the master cylinder.

There is a size marked under your brake reservoir on the metal part that supports it (it's marked very small and you can read it with a flashlight and mirror). This tells you which master cylinder you have. I have a WRX one for sale, it reads 1 1/16".

I sugest you upgrade to stainless lines, Super Blue fluid, better pads, and WRX front rotors (using 2002 wrx front caliper brackets). Upgrading to 4-pot calipers doesn't necessarily give much more power, but will give you more fade resistance, which is definately not needed in most daily drivers. Find out which master cylinder you have and upgrade it if it is a single stage, older model. Dont' bother with fancy pants slotted or drilled rotors. They actually reduce pad contact and braking power under normal circumstances. Again, you are unlikely to ever get them hot enough to warrant the need for slots or cross-drilling, and these also make the rotors more prone to cracking. A good set of Brembo blank rotors is cheap and will get the job done.

LastResort · 01-31-2007, 09:49 AM

Yeah, I realize the older models have a different setup, but you will loose ABS going that route, from what I can tell. And what we have isn't technically a dual stage, just dual diaphram.

More here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...=dual+diaphram

AFBeefcake · 01-31-2007, 10:25 AM

Defiantly run a bigger master cylinder.

I went from the stock signal pot front brakes and drum rears on my 96 Brighton Impreza to wrx front and rear brakes. With the stock master cylinder the brakes were not much better then the stock setup, but I switched out the master cylinder with one from Non-ABS SVX (1-1/16) and the brakes are great. I can lock the brakes up if i want now. (my car does not have ABS)
I would think the WRX one would work if you need one for a car with ABS.

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DLC out back Moderator Member#: 1964 Join Date: Jul 2000 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: 84XXX Vehicle: 01 BH Blue/Bronze	Should fit, but you'll need 17" wheels to go along with them.

01-30-2007, 07:39 PM	#3
rougeben83 Scooby Guru Member#: 115154 Join Date: May 2006 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: NYC Vehicle: 2003 Legacy L Turbo silver	fronts bolt up just fine. Rears will need the hubs.

01-30-2007, 07:52 PM	#5
rougeben83 Scooby Guru Member#: 115154 Join Date: May 2006 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: NYC Vehicle: 2003 Legacy L Turbo silver	Hmm I think so; STi's got a beefier rear end (r180 lsd with matching axles and hubs) but double check in the brakes section about what wrx guys did to convert their rears to Brembo's. AFAIK, there's a little more work involved than the front, which bolts up just like any other subaru front brake.

01-30-2007, 08:34 PM	#6
b4u Scooby Newbie Member#: 123043 Join Date: Aug 2006 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: utah Vehicle: 1999 legacy 2.5GT green	hmm you guys think just adding new rotors be just as good? like say, cobb?

01-30-2007, 09:01 PM	#7
rougeben83 Scooby Guru Member#: 115154 Join Date: May 2006 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: NYC Vehicle: 2003 Legacy L Turbo silver	pads and lines more like. They won't be like brembos, but they'll be much better than what you have right now more likely. Get whatever rotors fit your budget. Cobb is just overpriced for anything that they make, but that's IMO.

01-30-2007, 09:40 PM	#8
skunkfifty Scooby Specialist Member#: 73102 Join Date: Oct 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: madtowne, WI Vehicle: 1998 legacy outback white	+1 pads and stainless lines. The only boost you'll get from rotors is by getting beefier ones, more metal in them means they can absorb more heat. key words: more metal, as in not drilled and/or slotted. check out the brake faq.

01-30-2007, 10:49 PM	#10
b4u Scooby Newbie Member#: 123043 Join Date: Aug 2006 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: utah Vehicle: 1999 legacy 2.5GT green	so any suggestions on which brand i should go with?

01-30-2007, 10:56 PM	#11
rougeben83 Scooby Guru Member#: 115154 Join Date: May 2006 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: NYC Vehicle: 2003 Legacy L Turbo silver	WRX front brakes if you want to size up.

01-30-2007, 11:17 PM	#13
LastResort Scooby Guru Member#: 99289 Join Date: Oct 2005	tom@kartboy boy has mentioned in the past that he may be able to modify his existing Subaru 2 pot adapter plate to fit the brembo 2 pot rear calipers. That assumes that the Legacy R160 mounting is already same as the as the impreza. Which I think it is, since we can steal your rear caliper. Even after all of this, you still have a final issue. No emergency brake. The rear rotors from the Brembo have a larger emergency drum brake. One firx, that WRXbrakes has discussed, is custom rotors. This could be expensive in the long run. I've also run across a company in the UK that had an OEM rear emergency brake shoes made up with a thicker pad. As these usually last more than the lifetime of the vehicle, and could use a wide variety of rotors, I think this is the better idea.

01-30-2007, 11:23 PM	#14
rougeben83 Scooby Guru Member#: 115154 Join Date: May 2006 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: NYC Vehicle: 2003 Legacy L Turbo silver	In all honesty; Brembos are bling. I mean, for the most part the people that put them on their cars will never really use them for the kinds of applications that they were intended for. Now if you want them, that's great, but it seems you are more looking to upgrade the way your car stops moreso trying to look good in addition to it...

01-30-2007, 11:31 PM	#16
LastResort Scooby Guru Member#: 99289 Join Date: Oct 2005	My guess is that a lot of your dissatisfaction with the OEM brake setup is the master cylinder, not a lot of options there.

01-30-2007, 11:57 PM	#18
LastResort Scooby Guru Member#: 99289 Join Date: Oct 2005	I think Subaru has one master cylinder in all products.

01-31-2007, 08:37 AM	#21
xcntrk75 Scooby Specialist Member#: 60224 Join Date: Apr 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: NOVA Vehicle: 2008 FXT Sports 2.5 Dark Grey Metallic	If you got to have the “Brembo’s” why don’t you just buy the wrx specific kit? Brembo makes a complete front & rear kit for the WRX platform (same as LGT) with an R160 rear diff and backing plates. In other words, completely bolt on…no adapters, no new backing plates, hubs, etc… http://www.fastwrx.com/brstibrup.html

01-31-2007, 09:04 AM	#23
ten80 Scooby Specialist Member#: 53625 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WA Vehicle: 00 EJ205 LGT LTD 97 LGT Wagon	^ Ditto. Subaru DEFINATELY uses a different master cylinder on older cars (especially those with rear drums), present cars, and STi's. A four pot piston like Brembos need more fluid pushed to make the pistons activate, hence the need for a larger piston in the master cylinder. There is a size marked under your brake reservoir on the metal part that supports it (it's marked very small and you can read it with a flashlight and mirror). This tells you which master cylinder you have. I have a WRX one for sale, it reads 1 1/16". I sugest you upgrade to stainless lines, Super Blue fluid, better pads, and WRX front rotors (using 2002 wrx front caliper brackets). Upgrading to 4-pot calipers doesn't necessarily give much more power, but will give you more fade resistance, which is definately not needed in most daily drivers. Find out which master cylinder you have and upgrade it if it is a single stage, older model. Dont' bother with fancy pants slotted or drilled rotors. They actually reduce pad contact and braking power under normal circumstances. Again, you are unlikely to ever get them hot enough to warrant the need for slots or cross-drilling, and these also make the rotors more prone to cracking. A good set of Brembo blank rotors is cheap and will get the job done.

01-31-2007, 09:49 AM	#24
LastResort Scooby Guru Member#: 99289 Join Date: Oct 2005	Yeah, I realize the older models have a different setup, but you will loose ABS going that route, from what I can tell. And what we have isn't technically a dual stage, just dual diaphram. More here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...=dual+diaphram

01-31-2007, 10:25 AM	#25
AFBeefcake Scooby Specialist Member#: 27874 Join Date: Oct 2002 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Griswold,CT Vehicle: 2002 WRX 6MT 312whp 05 LGT	Defiantly run a bigger master cylinder. I went from the stock signal pot front brakes and drum rears on my 96 Brighton Impreza to wrx front and rear brakes. With the stock master cylinder the brakes were not much better then the stock setup, but I switched out the master cylinder with one from Non-ABS SVX (1-1/16) and the brakes are great. I can lock the brakes up if i want now. (my car does not have ABS) I would think the WRX one would work if you need one for a car with ABS.