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Old 02-02-2007, 09:57 AM   #1
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Default Help! Blown engine 97 Legacy Outback 2.5 DOHC

Hi Guys.

The STi is doing fine. One of my friends at work blew his engine over the weekend in his 97 Subaru Legacy Outback (2.5L DOHC). I don't know anything about legacies or that engine type.

1) Where should he go to buy a replacement engine?

2) Where should he go to have the work done to install it?

Any advice much appreciated.
-Winfield
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:02 AM   #2
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Where is he located?

Depending on location either DSG or ECS are my suggestions. They may even be able to help locate a replacement engine.
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:04 AM   #3
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^^ Good suggestions.

For a split second (before I opened the thread), all I read was help, blown engine, and I thought "Jesus, what'd he do to his STi?!?!"

how many miles were on the engine and what was he doing? I car pool with a guy who now has 230,000 miles on his car. new engine at 120k, original clutch (disc, pressure plate, bearings, etc.). Yea, it's crazy.

Junkyarddog.com I think is the website. I forgot about them.
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:05 AM   #4
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also hunt car-part.com and local junk yards. I'm sure there's a decent engine around of that vintage.
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:08 AM   #5
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http://www.ccrengines.com while you are talking maybe 3 grand, instead of taking a chance on an "ify" $600.00 used motor, if you want a reliable motor this is worth thinking about.

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Old 02-02-2007, 10:14 AM   #6
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http://www.ccr.com while you are talking maybe 3 grand, instead of taking a chance on an "ify" $600.00 used motor, if you want a reliable motor this is worth thinking about.
wrong link? also: $3k better come with a break in period, and a damn nice warranty.


look on rs25.com lots of old 2.5's laying around after motor swaps. IIRC, you need something pre MY99 for his application.
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:28 AM   #7
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We work together in Bedford, MA. I'm not sure where he lives, but think MA/NH region for parts and work.

OK, here is more detailed info on his vehicle:
Subaru Legacy Outback 1997 5-speed (not Limited, not automatic)
144k miles
Engine: 2.5L DOHC Style: EJ25

He said that the head gasket had already been replaced at least once.

Current state of vehicle:
Jasper asks $5285 for the engine, http://www.jasperengines.com/

The place that has the car at the moment (Palmer MA) is asking $6629.50 to install the Jasper engine and out the door.
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:40 AM   #8
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I would say eastcoastswappers would be cheaper then that ^
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:51 AM   #9
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Depending on location either DSG or ECS are my suggestions. They may even be able to help locate a replacement engine.
ECS = East Coast Swappers?
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:52 AM   #10
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For a split second (before I opened the thread), all I read was help, blown engine, and I thought "Jesus, what'd he do to his STi?!?!"
haha, I know right? Hence my disclaimer in the first sentence. I would do the same eyes-bugging-out first impression.
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:52 AM   #11
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for that amount of money, he could get another car..maybe even two.
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:58 AM   #12
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for that amount of money, he could get another car..maybe even two.
Seriously! Hence I dived in to stop him and said "wait! My Subaru club can help." You guys are life savers.
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Old 02-02-2007, 11:56 AM   #13
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in a couple months i will have my enigne out of my car and up for sale... but then again might be 2-4 months before that. gl
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Old 02-02-2007, 12:06 PM   #14
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We work together in Bedford, MA. I'm not sure where he lives, but think MA/NH region for parts and work.

OK, here is more detailed info on his vehicle:
Subaru Legacy Outback 1997 5-speed (not Limited, not automatic)
144k miles
Engine: 2.5L DOHC Style: EJ25

He said that the head gasket had already been replaced at least once.

Current state of vehicle:
Jasper asks $5285 for the engine, http://www.jasperengines.com/


The place that has the car at the moment (Palmer MA) is asking $6629.50 to install the Jasper engine and out the door.

HAHAHA wow... these places are trying to RAIL him. These prices are rediclous, especially for something that is essentially plug and play.
A wrx swap can be had for this price..even cheaper.

I would get in contact with ECS, they have a lot of motors laying around from swaps. They might be too busy to take his car in though
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Old 02-02-2007, 12:43 PM   #15
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You can find used EJ25 DOHC engines on Ebay for $1000, there's almost always a couple listed. I believe they offer a warranty of some sort. Or, you can search the Classifieds here and on rs25.com and find a used engine locally from a swap. He needs a DOHC EJ25 from a '97-99 2.5GT or Legacy Outback, or a '98 2.5RS or '98 Forester.

A couple/few months ago I picked up a complete '98 2.5RS engine for $600. Whole thing, all accessories, oil pan to throttle body. It had had the head gaskets and timing belt done 9k miles ago, and has 106k on it total, so I figured it was a pretty safe bet. It's in the car now - I did the swap in my garage (having never done an engine swap before). I can assure you, even with buying an engine hoist, renting a van to go pick up the engine, etc, I spent a helluva lot less than $6000!!!

It took me a week to do the swap, but I took a few days off in the middle because it was in the 10s and 20s and I didn't feel like freezing my ass off in my unheated, detached garage! Knowing what I know now, I could do it in a weekend.

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Edit: Just went to Ebay Motors and plugged in "EJ25 DOHC". 6 engines listed from $950 to $2900. (The $2900 one is a reman engine, I didn't open the listing to see how extensive that work was.) There's a place in Albany, NY, with one listed for $1150, free shipping, complete engine (including accessories). They offer a 90-day warranty. It looks like the other ones are just the long block, so your buddy would have to swap over his intake manifold, sensors, wiring, and accessories - not all that difficult, really. One place offers a 6-month warranty, but it seems like 90 or 120 days is the "standard".

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Old 02-02-2007, 01:01 PM   #16
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Huh, I didn't know the 97 5MT came in 2.5 thought it only came 2.2, maybe that was the 96 I dunno...

That said....how is your buddy defining blown engine? Those type 1 engines had niggling issues with cracking blocks due to over heating #4 cylinder wall IIRC. (in addition to blowing HGs) My point is he may just need a short block.

Yes a used 2.5 long block may be cheaper, but it will be hard to find a 97/98 with <100K. And 100K is the beginning of the failure rage for HGs and water pump and, thus, he could easily be back in the same place a year later.

I blew two HGs on my 98 2.5 type 1, with 13 months between water pumps... Both times, by the time I noticed the hi-temp, the 'puff goes the HG' fart came out the tail pipe before I could stop the car.

If he threw bearing/rod or whatever, please disregard my babble above.
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Old 02-02-2007, 01:30 PM   #17
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I blew two HGs on my 98 2.5 type 1, with 13 months between water pumps... Both times, by the time I noticed the hi-temp, the 'puff goes the HG' fart came out the tail pipe before I could stop the car.
This sounds similar to what he described to me, something like failure of the heater driving down the road, then overheating, then dead.

I would imagine these garages are trying to screw him on the prices. If it's just the gasket again, I would think he would do that? I'll ask him. He seems to feel he needs a whole new engine. I don't know if this is due to irreparable damage or just the shops he's talked to messing with him.
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To replace both HGs at dealer is ~2400.00 At a independent its ~1600.00 Assuming heads are flat.

But, before he moves to replace HGs be sure he has leak down and pressure testing done (48 hours) to insure the block ain't got no cracks.

I've know of 4 type 1 engines that have had hairline cylinder cracks that only become symptomatic after 45 minutes of driving. The engine pumps air into the cooling system, the water pump cavitates, water don't circulate, and the engine over heats and blows (another) head gasket. Repeat above payment to dealer or independent 2 weeks later...
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That sounds very familiar... I think he's already done at least one waterpump. Maybe they have already found faults in the block.
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Thanks for all the help guys.
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:13 PM   #21
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Wow, shocked at those prices. As others have said, you can do an entire swap for a newer generation engine.

He should seriously think about what his financial and transporation needs are, for a car with that many miles, any replacement engine (that will eventually have the same issue) is alot of money. You can buy a very reliable new car or used Subaru for 12K-15K, instead of spending 6-7k on a this car with tons of miles, that will eventually blow head gaskets again.

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Old 02-03-2007, 12:30 AM   #22
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Wow, shocked at those prices. As others have said, you can do an entire swap for a newer generation engine.

He should seriously think about what his financial and transporation needs are, for a car with that many miles, any replacement engine (that will eventually have the same issue) is alot of money. You can buy a very reliable new car or used Subaru for 12K-15K, instead of spending 6-7k on a this car with tons of miles, that will eventually blow head gaskets again.

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That's not necessarily true, the newer style (4layer) headgaskets are much more reliable than the older ones, I've never heard of a set blowing.
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Old 02-03-2007, 07:58 AM   #23
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Unfortunately for our car that we need to remove the block off the engine to do the gaskets (Or am I wrong?). He is probably off getting another vehicle with even the 2300 and the proceeds of the sale of his car. Most definitely he should verify what is going on before making drastic decisions. For 5-6 k he can get a decent used car. If he even chooses a non Subaru he can get some Honda civic that will run a long time..(and if he ever needs a head gasket it will not be as expensive to do)

By the way on Craig's list you see his year/model car ranging from less than 2k (with problems like your friend's) to over 6k at a used dealership place.


Cheers and good luck.

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Update!
We found a great used engine on ebay for $1k shipped, with 6 mos warranty.

It was installed yesterday at ECS for $500.
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Nice job Winfield!!! So, are we gonna have a new member soon?
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