Subaru R1E - What would you pay?

MrHankey · 02-02-2007, 04:05 PM

So, according to the guys on the International Panel on Climate Change, we've kinda messed up our atmosphere. Whoops.

Subaru saw this coming so they got together with NEC a few years back to develop a lithium ion battery for EV's and hybrids. This is also the main reason Toyota bought all or part of GM's stake in FHI.

Anyway, Subaru's been parading around the R1E as their first electric vehicle. Basically, it looks like a Tribecca ... at about 1/3 scale.

I'd buy one, but since it's only practical as a daily commuter, I'd only pay $13-14k.

What would you pay?

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Dalton · 02-02-2007, 04:40 PM

I would remove all the emissions equipment from my vehicle.

steve · 02-02-2007, 04:43 PM

Not for me, thanks. Not for any price, as I'm not interested in current hybrid technology at all.

In fact, I find myself throwing mean glares at the hybrids on the road, as they chug along at a paltry 50kmh. The hybrids, and those stupid scooters too.

know1 · 02-02-2007, 05:16 PM

there is an electric impreza out there. Not in production, but that should be something subaru looks into, although I guess anyone looking for a sporty car would never get a hybrid anyway.

Splinter · 02-02-2007, 05:17 PM

Hybrids are a joke. They do nothing for the environment.

Call me when cryoH2 systems are cheap.

tora · 02-02-2007, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splinter

Hybrids are a joke. They do nothing for the environment.

Call me when cryoH2 systems are cheap.

But it's all about appearance..

lostmind · 02-02-2007, 06:21 PM

An electric car like tesla perhaps.

But a hybrid? puhlease.

banman · 02-02-2007, 06:47 PM

I'd buy a Legacy diesel in a heartbeat, hybrid or no.

TheToby · 02-02-2007, 07:26 PM

no hybrid for me.
full electric would be wicked for commuting tho.
OR a Tesla!

Heavy Rippin' · 02-02-2007, 08:28 PM

Biodiesel is the wave of the future kids!

GlobalWaste · 02-02-2007, 09:08 PM

didn't they make a biodiesel elise? It was supposed to be quicker then the original or something, but yeah I'd drive that.... or the electric car where they stuck some batteries into an Ariel Atom chassis...

TheToby · 02-02-2007, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heavy Rippin'

Biodiesel is the wave of the future kids!

TRUTH!
the elise e265 or whatever the hell it was called is AWESOME

deaton · 02-02-2007, 09:36 PM

I don't think biodiesel is viable... if we wanted to produce as much as we needed for consumer vehicles, we'd be going hungry... because the fields that grow our food would have to be converted to fields that feed our cars.

polaris · 02-02-2007, 09:37 PM

MIT is developing some new battery tech. It works pretty much the same as batteries now, but recharges instantly. I think that will make a bid difference, as we will see easily setup stations offer full recharges. Makes more sense than the expensive infracstucture a hydrogen system would need.

And Hydrogen doesnt solve the green house gas issue really as water vapour itself is part of the problem.

TheToby · 02-02-2007, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deaton

I don't think biodiesel is viable... if we wanted to produce as much as we needed for consumer vehicles, we'd be going hungry... because the fields that grow our food would have to be converted to fields that feed our cars.

not necessarily, instead of relying on crops, its perfectly feasable to partially rely on restaurant grease waste to help make biofuel

banman · 02-02-2007, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polaris

MIT is developing some new battery tech. It works pretty much the same as batteries now, but recharges instantly. I think that will make a bid difference, as we will see easily setup stations offer full recharges. Makes more sense than the expensive infracstucture a hydrogen system would need.

And Hydrogen doesnt solve the green house gas issue really as water vapour itself is part of the problem.

That's not really a good reason to be against hydrogen - the main reasons are the cost of the refueling infrastructure, and the energy required to hydrolyse or otherwise generate it. I've yet to see the water vapour argument brought up against hydrogen in any mainstream sources.

BluScopion · 02-02-2007, 10:11 PM

lets just have nuclear powered cars

semaj · 02-02-2007, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deaton

I don't think biodiesel is viable... if we wanted to produce as much as we needed for consumer vehicles, we'd be going hungry... because the fields that grow our food would have to be converted to fields that feed our cars.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheToby

not necessarily, instead of relying on crops, its perfectly feasable to partially rely on restaurant grease waste to help make biofuel

Exactly Toby!

deaton, they also make BioDiesel from old french fry grease

Your TDI VW could smell like McDonald's all the time!

Solar · 02-02-2007, 10:26 PM

All the machines at Delta Port run off of Biodiesel. Since the switch earlier this year, there has been less black fumes.

semaj · 02-02-2007, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-REX05

All the machines at Delta Port run off of Biodiesel. Since the switch earlier this year, there has been less black fumes.

Ah yes, also the only public BioDiesel available at a Gas Station in B.C. is in Delta.

banman · 02-02-2007, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semaj

Ah yes, also the only public BioDiesel available at a Gas Station in B.C. is in Delta.

There's also a biodiesel cooperative that has a filling station on Terminal.

polaris · 02-02-2007, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banman

That's not really a good reason to be against hydrogen - the main reasons are the cost of the refueling infrastructure, and the energy required to hydrolyse or otherwise generate it. I've yet to see the water vapour argument brought up against hydrogen in any mainstream sources.

Its not a mainstream thought, but Im putting together 2 different stories. 1. about how there is more to greenhouse gas issue than CO2 (ie. there is methane, Nitrogen compounds, excessive water vapour was also mentioned.

2. A hyrogen fueled engine dumps out water vaopur, so it fits.

I know its not the big con against hydrogen, but its still a factor. In the big picture hydrogen is probably a good option, but in the fuel cell arena more than direct combustion anyways so the issue is easier to deal with.

IMO biodiesel wont catch on...just a feeling I have.

deaton · 02-02-2007, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semaj

Exactly Toby!

deaton, they also make BioDiesel from old french fry grease

Your TDI VW could smell like McDonald's all the time!

True enough! Although, I think I read somewhere that even if 100% of waste grease was converted to biodiesel, it could still only satisfy a small percentage of the demand. I don't remember my source though, so I can hardly stand by that assertion.

GlobalWaste · 02-02-2007, 11:24 PM

whatever, if you can make use of something that would normally be disposed of, why not...but yeah they probably don't make enough to supply a small town's population worth of vehicles... but even that stuff needs to be filtered and treated to make it more efficient and so it wont clog any pumps/filters in your engine... that brings the price up...

MrHankey · 02-03-2007, 12:47 AM

Hydrogen is dumb. When you look at the total system efficientcy (i.e. hydro carbon to H2 or water electrolosys to H2) it makes no sense. Then you gotta distribute and store it. My money is on electric cars.

The R1E is NOT a hybrid, it's a pure electric prototype that they plan to sell. I think it goes on sale in Japan in 2009. In the meantime, there are 10 of them running around Tokyo right now.

Every here of ZeroSports? Their big plan is to move to electric car production, which is kind of a departure from after market Subaru parts. Until then, I plan to enjoy my world leaguer cat back.

I wouldn't say hybrids do nothing for the environment. They get at least double the around town fuel economy of my car. Hybrid SUV's on the other hand ... well, who the hell are they kidding.

As for biodiesel ... meh ... I used to Work with Don Goodeeve (was on the news a while back for his biodiesel passat), and even he siad that the amoutn of fryer fat Victoria produces would only service 10,000 cars. I think we'd run out of land before we grew enough crops to run the worlds cars on biodiesel.

The Ariel Atom electric is very cool, but the Tesla's way more "practical". I'd like to see the ProEV impreza square off against an STi.

02-02-2007, 04:05 PM	#1
MrHankey Scooby Newbie Member#: 90968 Join Date: Jul 2005 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Vehicle: 2003 WRX WRB	Subaru R1E - What would you pay? So, according to the guys on the International Panel on Climate Change, we've kinda messed up our atmosphere. Whoops. Subaru saw this coming so they got together with NEC a few years back to develop a lithium ion battery for EV's and hybrids. This is also the main reason Toyota bought all or part of GM's stake in FHI. Anyway, Subaru's been parading around the R1E as their first electric vehicle. Basically, it looks like a Tribecca ... at about 1/3 scale. I'd buy one, but since it's only practical as a daily commuter, I'd only pay $13-14k. What would you pay? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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GlobalWaste * Banned * Member#: 74792 Join Date: Nov 2004 Chapter/Region: VIC	didn't they make a biodiesel elise? It was supposed to be quicker then the original or something, but yeah I'd drive that.... or the electric car where they stuck some batteries into an Ariel Atom chassis...

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GlobalWaste * Banned * Member#: 74792 Join Date: Nov 2004 Chapter/Region: VIC	whatever, if you can make use of something that would normally be disposed of, why not...but yeah they probably don't make enough to supply a small town's population worth of vehicles... but even that stuff needs to be filtered and treated to make it more efficient and so it wont clog any pumps/filters in your engine... that brings the price up...

02-03-2007, 12:47 AM	#25
MrHankey Scooby Newbie Member#: 90968 Join Date: Jul 2005 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Vehicle: 2003 WRX WRB	Hydrogen is dumb. When you look at the total system efficientcy (i.e. hydro carbon to H2 or water electrolosys to H2) it makes no sense. Then you gotta distribute and store it. My money is on electric cars. The R1E is NOT a hybrid, it's a pure electric prototype that they plan to sell. I think it goes on sale in Japan in 2009. In the meantime, there are 10 of them running around Tokyo right now. Every here of ZeroSports? Their big plan is to move to electric car production, which is kind of a departure from after market Subaru parts. Until then, I plan to enjoy my world leaguer cat back. I wouldn't say hybrids do nothing for the environment. They get at least double the around town fuel economy of my car. Hybrid SUV's on the other hand ... well, who the hell are they kidding. As for biodiesel ... meh ... I used to Work with Don Goodeeve (was on the news a while back for his biodiesel passat), and even he siad that the amoutn of fryer fat Victoria produces would only service 10,000 cars. I think we'd run out of land before we grew enough crops to run the worlds cars on biodiesel. The Ariel Atom electric is very cool, but the Tesla's way more "practical". I'd like to see the ProEV impreza square off against an STi.