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Old 02-05-2007, 07:19 PM   #1
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Default cheaper shifters vs normal priced, are cheaper ones really cheaper?

I will be getting a short throw shifter soon and pretty much any thread concerning buying lower priced shifters ends up being shut down by customers that buy the more expensive shifters. I can understand some more expensive companies may have better customer/warranty service, or may give you shirts to advertise for them or free candy, but does it really pay to buy the more expensive ones? I've read "why buy an expensive car and get a cheap shifter?", "who are you going to call when the shifter breaks?", "XX bushings have tighter tolerances", "XX bushings are better urethane", etc. What I am wondering is
-How many "cheaper" shifters actually break?
-What's wrong with using aluminum alloy shifters? I like less weight.
-Why not buy cheaper shifters and use the saved money to buy bushings or other needed upgrades?

From alll the reading I've done since I've been a member of this site, I haven't seen one example of a cheap shifter breaking or not fitting correctly (except where the buyer bought the shifter for the wrong transmission type), have you? Please lead me to the thread, I'd like to check it out. I would like some real experiences with poorly manufactured shifters to help guide me in the right direction.
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Old 02-05-2007, 09:57 PM   #2
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If you want to nickle and dime your car, this is America....go right ahead. But, do not come back here whining when it doesnt fit, binds, creaks, feels sloppy, etc. And you really think that the weight difference is an issue? Seriously? I mean really....seriously?? A few ounces weight difference is what F1 guys concern themselves over.....you have a 98 L.....not seeing the connection here.
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Old 02-05-2007, 10:49 PM   #3
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weight... a little extra weight in the shifter is BETTER! it improves the feel of a clunky transmission, and gives you a little more momentum going through the gates.
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Old 02-05-2007, 11:32 PM   #4
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If you want to nickle and dime your car, this is America....go right ahead. But, do not come back here whining when it doesnt fit, binds, creaks, feels sloppy, etc. And you really think that the weight difference is an issue? Seriously? I mean really....seriously?? A few ounces weight difference is what F1 guys concern themselves over.....you have a 98 L.....not seeing the connection here.
85 to 150 dollars is not nickle and diming it on a metal lever made of aluminum alloy. It doesn't have to withstand ultra high temperatures or thousands of psi of tensile strength. Since when does it matter whether I have an L or an F1 car? You shouldn't concern yourself over the reasons I want to save weight. And by the way, its a 95. I don't whine about cheap quality parts I experiment with. (Like the crappy leds I bought a few weeks back to see how bright they were ) I prefer to gripe about my gas cap being on the right side, you know that.

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weight... a little extra weight in the shifter is BETTER! it improves the feel of a clunky transmission, and gives you a little more momentum going through the gates.
I figured I would get a light shifter because I may be getting a metal knob. I have read that it is better for the weight to be on the top end of the shift rod for better feel.
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Old 02-05-2007, 11:38 PM   #5
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Well i'll make this simple... no one makes a short shifter for a 95 imp.. what you will have to do is get the linkage from a WRX and swap that in. then you can run an aftermarket setup.

hey its your money. no one is telling you what do ultimatly do with it. cept the gubment with taxes....

whats wrong with candy?

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the reason why A LOT of people run my shifters is because i'm on the forums asking questions like this almost daily. i sponsor this forum... go ahead look up top see that link. Yup thats mine. i pay for it.

i believe legacy777 has some decent pictures of swaping in the linkage from a new WRX onto an old IMP.

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Old 02-05-2007, 11:44 PM   #6
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Sorry, forgot to mention I have a 96 transmission. It looks just like the linkage diagram in the shifter thread you started that I posted in today.
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Sorry, forgot to mention I have a 96 transmission. It looks just like the linkage diagram in the shifter thread you started that I posted in today.
they are still different from what is avail today. i believe it was late 97-98 when they went to the "older" style we have. it might look close but they are different.


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Old 02-05-2007, 11:53 PM   #8
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So you don't manufacture a shifter that will fit then. Guess I will be headed to fleabay regardless to see what a 16 dollar shifter can do. So I guess bushings won't be available either, oh wait, there are already polyurethane ones in there. What is the main reason your "older" shifter (I guess that implies mine is older than "older") won't fit? Do you have the exact measurement of the width at the pivot point where the fork meets it under the boot, so I can check mine in the morning? Just in case someone did some swapping before I got the transmission.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:55 AM   #9
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So you don't manufacture a shifter that will fit then. Guess I will be headed to fleabay regardless to see what a 16 dollar shifter can do. So I guess bushings won't be available either, oh wait, there are already polyurethane ones in there. What is the main reason your "older" shifter (I guess that implies mine is older than "older") won't fit? Do you have the exact measurement of the width at the pivot point where the fork meets it under the boot, so I can check mine in the morning? Just in case someone did some swapping before I got the transmission.
The style of the connections changed.

On the older cars the clevis is on the lever, and the linkage with the bushing housing on the control arm.

On the newer cars (97+) the celvis is at each end of the control rod, and the lever, and linkage contain the bushing housings. Basically, the opposite of the older setup.

Additionally, the bushings housings are more narrow than what is on the newer cars.
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Old 02-06-2007, 12:38 PM   #10
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Just wondering, why did you post this when it sounds to me like you were set on buying the eBay special anyway? I buy parts like this from vendors like TiC and Kartboy because I like the quality, support, and customer service they give, and I like to support an smaller company when possible. Besides, who do you think does the initial design of these parts, the slave labor shop in Taiwan that makes the pot-metal eBay shifter?
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:49 PM   #11
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Thanks Tom. If I pull the shifter rod out and "post" a picture of it, would you be able to tell which type it is? I really would like to get the one that fits the first time, even if I can't use the "newer" than mine "older" style.
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sure take as many detailed pictures as possible. email them to me at [email protected] i'll see what i can do.

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Old 02-06-2007, 09:59 PM   #13
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Thanks. I will try pulling it out before I head to work tomorrow.
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Old 02-07-2007, 02:40 PM   #14
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Old 02-07-2007, 04:03 PM   #15
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sure take as many detailed pictures as possible. email them to me at [email protected] i'll see what i can do.

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.....case in point.

This is one of several reasons folks like KB & TiC have such a strong following around here. .....I would rather spend a few extra dollars for the peace of mind and support.
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Old 02-08-2007, 12:58 AM   #16
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Here's one on egay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Short...79137893QQrdZ1

and another
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Racin...85448953QQrdZ1

another
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Subar...76144899QQrdZ1

,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUBAR...76095383QQrdZ1

,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SHORT...79895250QQrdZ1

Now this one obviously won't work if the picture is even correct, but all of the above seem to be the same design. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fidan...83171273QQrdZ1

I will have to decide on an entire wrx linkage plus a shortshifter and new bushings or one of the cheezy shifters and bushings, if I can even change the ones on the top linkage. Tom has been a good help so far. Now I can see the reason his shifters won't work on my stock setup. Hmm..

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well even if you did get one of those Ebay ones the rest of the linkage bushings are probably shot. i honestly think your best option is the linkage swap. do a search for legacy777. he has a good writeup on the swap and what is needed. then you can have a better choice of shifters and bushings.

you should be able to get a linkage set for 20 bucks or so used. heck i might even have one in the shop. let me check the junk pile tomorrow.


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If they were that cheap, I'd buy one immediately, but it seems people want a lot for them lately. Thanks for checking, a cheap wrx one would definately be better than my squishy one, then I'd have an excuse to buy a kartboy shortshifter and some bushings.
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If they were that cheap, I'd buy one immediately, but it seems people want a lot for them lately. Thanks for checking, a cheap wrx one would definately be better than my squishy one, then I'd have an excuse to buy a kartboy shortshifter and some bushings.

ok send me an email tomorrow morning/ afternoon. to remind me to look.

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