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Old 02-08-2007, 03:05 PM   #1
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Default The mini gets better and better [B]AWD in 08[/B]

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BMW will offer all-wheel-drive as an option on all of its 2008 Mini models, according to a report by Germany's Auto Motor und Sport. The magazine said the system was developed for the extended-wheelbase Clubman, but would find its way into the rest of the 2008/2009 lineup.



In late 2004, a Dutch media report indicated Germany's Getrag auto parts maker was testing an AWD system for the compact car. The prototype was created on Getrag's own initiative, but BMW officials were said to be following the design study closely. Getrag supplies BMW with transmissions.



BMW product boss Burkhard Goschel reportedly took a ride in the prototype, and was very positive about its performance. The AWD system tested by Getrag featured a heavy rear-wheel bias, with the front wheels engaging as needed. It's not known if the production AWD system is the same as the one tested by Getrag.

This was going to happen. I remember way back when, and getrag was trying to sell the offer to BMW by developing the technology on their own.

This little tidbit just made the MINI 100% more desirable to me than say the 1series.

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Old 02-08-2007, 03:08 PM   #2
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Man that would be awesome.
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Old 02-08-2007, 03:10 PM   #3
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awd mini+turbo upgrade=subaru ftl on the track
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Old 02-08-2007, 03:14 PM   #4
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Not being sarcastic, What is the appeal of mini's??? They seem really small and uncomfortable to ride in.
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Old 02-08-2007, 03:18 PM   #5
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My grandpa always said he'd buy a Mini Cooper in a second if it had AWD or RWD... This will be VERY cool if it happens. Finally would make a good .:R32, A3 and TT competitor.

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Old 02-08-2007, 03:26 PM   #6
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Not being sarcastic, What is the appeal of mini's??? They seem really small and uncomfortable to ride in.
Only small on the outside. Not uncomfortable at all (though the seats are not as good as our '02 WRX in lateral stability). Incredible handling even in stock form. Great 6MT, good gearing and great throttle response means street driving is very enjoyable.
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Old 02-08-2007, 03:29 PM   #7
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Design baby its the design. I could see a turbo AWD vert as a second car.
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Old 02-08-2007, 03:30 PM   #8
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Only small on the outside. Not uncomfortable at all (though the seats are not as good as our '02 WRX in lateral stability). Incredible handling even in stock form. Great 6MT, good gearing and great throttle response means street driving is very enjoyable.
Eh, I wasn't impressed with the last gen's 6mt (felt really sloppy) or it's low RPM torque. Felt like it had as bad or worse lag than my 2003 WRX Automatic had, and it has a supercharger for heaven's sake. And hearing your shifter linkage working is great and understandable in an Elise, but not in a Mini. Honestly, I think the MkV VW GTi does the same thing as the Mini in a much more luxurious package that's alot easier to drive.

Just IMO. I'd like to test-drive the new Mini to see if it's better.

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Old 02-08-2007, 03:39 PM   #9
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Do it, once they arrive. I played around in one at the NAIAS, and liked the way shifter felt, not to mention the placement of the pedals.


Hmmm, a MY08/09 AWD Mini-Clubman JCW edition sounds tempting...
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Old 02-08-2007, 03:44 PM   #10
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Eh, I wasn't impressed with the last gen's 6mt (felt really sloppy) or it's low RPM torque. Felt like it had as bad or worse lag than my 2003 WRX Automatic had, and it has a supercharger for heaven's sake. And hearing your shifter linkage working is great and understandable in an Elise, but not in a Mini.
Honestly it sounds like there was something wrong with your MINI. How long did you have it?

We've only got 70,000 miles on our MCS and over 100,000 miles on the (reflashed, STi suspended) WRX, so I could be imagining all this.
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Old 02-08-2007, 04:04 PM   #11
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Not being sarcastic, What is the appeal of mini's??? They seem really small and uncomfortable to ride in.
Only for an overgrown abomination of nature. You must be thinking of the original Minis, which were tiny. I test drove a 2006 U.S.-spec S. The car actually has too much room in the front--too much seat width and too much headroom. The back seats are large but there is no rear footwell space. Of course, only a brain-dead moron would buy one planning to put passengers in the back.

The drive was unbelievably fun. If they had offered a decent AWD system, I would have an S now.
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Old 02-08-2007, 04:09 PM   #12
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My wife really likes the Minis, but she also really appreciates the AWD of her Forester XT.

Her lease is up in 2009.

This is good.
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Old 02-08-2007, 04:38 PM   #13
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We had to sell our Mini when we moved to the mountains (bought a LGT). An awd Mini would be sweet. Ground clearance could still be a little issue though.
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Old 02-08-2007, 04:44 PM   #14
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Im kind of itching to drive this thing. Light weight and awd just seems like a dream come true. Hell mini madness pulls some crazy power out of supercharged (IRON) blocks. Im curious to see what they will do with the turbo set-up. Hell just a bit more boost and i bet you could up the power to 190 - 200hp. Then again BMW has been tricky with holding off people cracking the current ecu. I can imagine a 200hp, my guess on weight, 2800lb car would be fun todrive . Surely better then say the Heavy weight GTi.

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Old 02-08-2007, 04:53 PM   #15
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We had to sell our Mini when we moved to the mountains (bought a LGT). An awd Mini would be sweet. Ground clearance could still be a little issue though.
A 2wd MINI sure wouldn't be my first choice for snowy mountains! But fortunately, we've got the WRX wagon, too.

Same goes for dirt roads and rallyxes.
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Old 02-08-2007, 04:56 PM   #16
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Honestly it sounds like there was something wrong with your MINI. How long did you have it?

We've only got 70,000 miles on our MCS and over 100,000 miles on the (reflashed, STi suspended) WRX, so I could be imagining all this.
It was a test drive, used albeit. Was looking at a Mini Cooper S for the wifey before she got pregnant but she couldn't stand them after the test drive *shrug*.

I don't remember how many miles were on it or what year it was, but I know it didn't have an extreme amount of miles and was otherwise in great shape, it just didn't impress me at all in anything but handling.

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It was a test drive, used albeit. Was looking at a Mini Cooper S for the wifey before she got pregnant but she couldn't stand them after the test drive *shrug*.

I don't remember how many miles were on it or what year it was, but I know it didn't have an extreme amount of miles and was otherwise in great shape, it just didn't impress me at all in anything but handling.

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Don't you think it would have been a little more honest to initially disclose your opinion was based on a test drive of a used model?

Was this trade-in even being sold by a MINI dealership?
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Don't you think it would have been a little more honest to initially disclose your opinion was based on a test drive of a used model?

Was this trade-in even being sold by a MINI dealership?


It was a trade in at a Subaru dealership, ironically enough.

Hey, I like the Mini. With AWD it'll be even better!

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Old 02-08-2007, 05:10 PM   #19
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I guess I don't see why you would need AWD on a 2600lbs car with 170HP. Well I guess it'll be 2800lbs after adding the AWD.

Besides, I think MINI is cool to be FWD. As lame as transverse mounted FWD has become, MINI was the pioneer of it, and I think it fits the car's character well.
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Old 02-08-2007, 05:39 PM   #20
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ooooh man... turbocharged, awd GO KART!!! i cant even imagine how fun of a car that would be... the interior space for the driver and front passenger is actually very decent. trunk space aint bad either, just think of it as a 2 seater and it will be perfect!
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I might leave Subaru if this does happen... Gas mileage + AWD + great handling + lightweight + some style + factory customizability =
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Not being sarcastic, What is the appeal of Imprezas??? They seem really small and uncomfortable to ride in.
This works just the same as what you said, which was a really stupid thing to say...

Whats the point of big SUV's? They are too big and unsafe to drive
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This works just the same as what you said, which was a really stupid thing to say...

Whats the point of big SUV's? They are too big and unsafe to drive

Not following you here...........

And don't put words in my mouth. I was just asking, what appealed most to mini owners, since i don't see them that much and i was going off what little i have seen of them.

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Don't get too excited about it, guys. BMW is very likely to over-engineer the AWD to the point of not working. If it works like the DSC, windows, or sunroof, it might arbitrarily shift power around randomly while a driver is in the middle of some tricky maneuver. They should add a fifth driven wheel to the roof for safety.
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Well, if they pull this off, I foresee great amounts of rediculousness.
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