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Old 02-16-2007, 02:29 PM   #1
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Default New York Reintroduces Bill to Ban Spinner Hubcaps

New York Reintroduces Bill to Ban Spinner Hubcaps

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New York Reintroduces Bill to Ban Spinner Hubcaps

In what could be the state’s first step in limiting custom wheel and hubcap options for motor vehicle enthusiasts, legislation (S.B. 1640) that would prohibit the operation of motor vehicles equipped with spinner hubcaps has been reintroduced in the New York State Legislature by State Senator John Sabini (sabini@senate.state.ny.us). S.B. 1640 would subject vehicle owners to fines of up to $750 for a third or subsequent violation. The bill has been referred to the Senate Transportation Committee for consideration.

We Urge You to Contact Members of the New York Senate Transportation Committee (List Attached) Immediately To Request Their Opposition to S.B. 1640.

S.B. 1640 ignores the fact that custom wheels are not prohibited by Federal law and should not be restricted in New York.


S.B. 1640 ignores the fact that the Federal government rescinded the entire hub cap standard in 1996 when it was concluded that there was no safety problem relating to hub caps and that the standard was overly design-restrictive.


S.B. 1640 ignores the fact that manufacturers are required to notify the federal government of a safety problem or defect related to motor vehicle equipment within five days of becoming aware of such issue.


S.B. 1640 ignores the fact that spinner hubcaps have no proven detrimental effect on motor vehicle safety.
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:34 PM   #2
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spinners are the equivalent of blinking LED's around a license plate in the 80's

tacky fad that will die eventually die out on its own
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:37 PM   #3
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I locked my brakes up in traffic once because of spinners. I looked to my right and saw an Expidition that I thought was pulling into traffic right in front of me. Turns out, his spinners were still moving, but the truck wasnt. I hate the damn things.
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haha, regardless how tacky i think they are, looks like another attempt of our govt to take more money from the people. i'm sure the representenative that came up with the bill is a caucasian aristocrat. i wonder if we're gonna start burning and banning books soon...
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:41 PM   #5
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If this happens I will get spinners and go to New York to antagonize all in my path.
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:43 PM   #6
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looks like another attempt of our govt to take more money from the people. i'm sure the representenative that came up with the bill is a caucasian aristocrat.


Spinners make a car look like it's moving when it's not. They're a safety hazard and it's about time somebody's realizing that.
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haha, regardless how tacky i think they are, looks like another attempt of our govt to take more money from the people. i'm sure the representenative that came up with the bill is a caucasian aristocrat. i wonder if we're gonna start burning and banning books soon...
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:48 PM   #8
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maybe its all for PR?!
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:53 PM   #9
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Spinners make a car look like it's moving when it's not. They're a safety hazard and it's about time somebody's realizing that.
what the hell are you doing looking at another cars wheels for while your driving...? sure i like to keep an open mind when i personally drive and keep my surroundings in check, however im not gonna lose focus on the road and check out those spinnars regardless how tantalizing it my look.

again its all about preference and style, let those people do what they want its not like its falling off their cars. its not as bad as improperly setup hids... no one is forced to look at those wheels...
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what the hell are you doing looking at another cars wheels for while your driving...? sure i like to keep an open mind when i personally drive and keep my surroundings in check, however im not gonna lose focus on the road and check out those spinnars regardless how tantalizing it my look.


The wheels are one of the (many) things that you should be keeping track of on cars near you. They can provide the first indications as to whether a car is accelerating or coming to a complete stop - and spinners completely obscure that.
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The wheels are one of the (many) things that you should be keeping track of on cars near you. They can provide the first indications as to whether a car is accelerating or coming to a complete stop - and spinners completely obscure that.
i can see your point and i agree with keeping the wheels in mind but not focused on as if your staring at it, however if the car is stopped as you say it is while the spinners are still rolling in place, why dont you notice the brake lights?

dont mind me too much i just feel like arguing for the sake of it... how the weather in Sb right now? :-)
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The wheels are one of the (many) things that you should be keeping track of on cars near you. They can provide the first indications as to whether a car is accelerating or coming to a complete stop - and spinners completely obscure that.
I completely agree. Looking at a car's wheels is the best way to quickly assess what the car will be doing next. no one ever said they were staring at the wheels, if that were the case you'd realize they were spinners. but in situations when you need to look at a car and quickly figure out how fast its moving, if its turning, etc, the wheels are an important thing to pay attention to. Its like in football/basketball where its better to look at someone's eyes than thier body so you go where they intend to go, instead of where they fake.
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Old 02-16-2007, 03:19 PM   #13
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The wheels are one of the (many) things that you should be keeping track of on cars near you. They can provide the first indications as to whether a car is accelerating or coming to a complete stop - and spinners completely obscure that.
By that logic, solid disc wheels should also be outlawed, as they don't have anything to reference movement by.

I thought they were talking about hubcap spinners.. not real spinners.




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Old 02-16-2007, 03:27 PM   #14
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From what I have been told from others, the SEMA email that was sent out on this states that the language is very "icky" The problem is that halfway though the bill it stopped identifying the illegal item as Spinner hubcap/rims and started to refer to them as "custom hubcaps/rims"

Not sure if its on purpose or not, but not cool. Dont need the gov telling me what offset to run.

I called his office and lodged a complaint about this.

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I completely agree. Looking at a car's wheels is the best way to quickly assess what the car will be doing next. no one ever said they were staring at the wheels, if that were the case you'd realize they were spinners. but in situations when you need to look at a car and quickly figure out how fast its moving, if its turning, etc, the wheels are an important thing to pay attention to. Its like in football/basketball where its better to look at someone's eyes than thier body so you go where they intend to go, instead of where they fake.
in this case i'll look at the wheel to see if its turning, regardless what kind of rims, if its moving its gonna be obvious you can still tell if its accellerating even with spinners. besides when i'm driving i try not to hug up too close to the other cars surrounding me, giving me enough time to safely judge my actions.
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Well if what you say is true then I can completely agree, we can't let the gov tell us what kind of rims to buy.

But if it's just the spinners well them I'm undecided... from my own point of view that type of excessive aesthetics is pointless, but I know lots of people like to dress up their cars. Now what makes me want to say ban them is safety cause I know a lot of times I depend on little clues like wheel movement to make split decisions in heavy traffic.

Kinda like one time, I couldn't tell when this guy in front of me was breaking because they did a horrible job on his tail lights.
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Well if what you say is true then I can completely agree, we can't let the gov tell us what kind of rims to buy.

But if it's just the spinners well them I'm undecided... from my own point of view that type of excessive aesthetics is pointless, but I know lots of people like to dress up their cars. Now what makes me want to say ban them is safety cause I know a lot of times I depend on little clues like wheel movement to make split decisions in heavy traffic.

Kinda like one time, I couldn't tell when this guy in front of me was breaking because they did a horrible job on his tail lights.
one exception i agree with. in this case his taillights are a major safety issue, esp if you cant see those lights.
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Not sure if its on purpose or not, but not cool. Dont need the gov telling me what offset to run.
As long as the wheels are still inside the fenders. I wish that was enforced a bit better.
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I'm confused... Spinner hubcaps or spinner wheels?
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Old 02-16-2007, 06:04 PM   #20
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haha, regardless how tacky i think they are, looks like another attempt of our govt to take more money from the people. i'm sure the representenative that came up with the bill is a caucasian aristocrat. i wonder if we're gonna start burning and banning books soon...
how is banning the spinners taking away more money from the people? ...every time you buy the spinners you pay sales tax and support a business that pays taxes - so banning is actually taking a source of income away from the goverment
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I completely agree. Looking at a car's wheels is the best way to quickly assess what the car will be doing next. no one ever said they were staring at the wheels, if that were the case you'd realize they were spinners. but in situations when you need to look at a car and quickly figure out how fast its moving, if its turning, etc, the wheels are an important thing to pay attention to. Its like in football/basketball where its better to look at someone's eyes than thier body so you go where they intend to go, instead of where they fake.
Completely disagree on the assesment of movement. The best way is to look at the car itself in relation to million of available reference points - road marking, trees, buildings, lamposts, divider wall, etc. You sport analogy is all wrong. Wheels are to a car what feet are to a person - SAT 101. You don't stare at someone's feet in a sport...in fact that is how they trick you by misleading feet movement.
On the other hand since it can throw some people off and if that's the case I don't want someone to slam on their brakes right in front of me b/c then it makes me liable.
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Completely disagree on the assesment of movement. The best way is to look at the car itself in relation to million of available reference points - road marking, trees, buildings, lamposts, divider wall, etc. You sport analogy is all wrong. Wheels are to a car what feet are to a person - SAT 101. You don't stare at someone's feet in a sport...in fact that is how they trick you by misleading feet movement.
On the other hand since it can throw some people off and if that's the case I don't want someone to slam on their brakes right in front of me b/c then it makes me liable.
Most of the time these spinners end up on SUVs, in our small cars the best reference point for us is not the body of the SUV. It is hard to tell the speed/direction of something that big (kind of like how a train looks like it is moving slow even though it is going 60mph).

Feet are not like wheels since they are not anywhere near our eye level.
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how is banning the spinners taking away more money from the people? ...every time you buy the spinners you pay sales tax and support a business that pays taxes - so banning is actually taking a source of income away from the goverment
your correct, people still pay taxes on the things they buy, however on a trivial item such as spinner wheels, hubcaps, rims, etc. that people purchase that have no direct relation to a safety issue which seems to be the topic at hand to me its just like banning custom exhaust tips on cars, and fining those people. because they dare to be different?

i guess in a different sense if it indeed becomes law then sure the fine is suitable, because your breaking the law, i beg to differ. whatever im almost out of from work, haha TGIF!
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dont mind me too much i just feel like arguing for the sake of it... how the weather in Sb right now? :-)
Car's thermometer said 81 degrees a little while ago. Moderately warm.
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While I think Spinners are completely and utterly retarded, I sort of have a problem with simply banning them.

People (specifically politicians) are so technically inept that I could easily see this turning into a vague ass law that could also be targeted against any kind of after market tire or rim package. That might not be the intent of the law, but some hardass cop could ticket you for your 18" aftermarket rims because they look 'different' - then it is up to you to prove to a court that they aren't 'spinners'.

But here is another issue that I personally think it much more important and more dangerous - those jackasses that still drive around on 20" rims with rubberband summer tires in the middle of winter on their bling'ed out SUVs. I have performance rubber and rims that I strictly use for the summer and I know how bad summer tires can be in the snow. How are summer tires not illegal in inclement weather is beyond me.
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