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Old 02-19-2007, 07:56 PM   #1
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so i just bought an 04 sti, the previous owner cleared and painted the oem headlights, i don't like it, fix it ticket waiting to happen (at least where i live). i already spoke to the dealer about getting them replaced and they said they'd do it, don't think it'd be under warranty, just a dealer fix since i JUST bought the car like that.

so my question is if they replace the headlights with new ones would i be entitled to the cleared out ones that came on the car? i know in normal repair situations if you ask for the old parts they HAVE to give them back to you by CA law.

it sounded like the service repair guy wanted mine for his own car, he even joked about just swapping with me.
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Old 02-19-2007, 08:23 PM   #2
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What color are the bulbs in there....Blue?

Just buy some orange bulbs from the dealer and call it a day.

And why is the dealer entitled to fix it if you bought the car that way?
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Old 02-19-2007, 08:42 PM   #3
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why? because they sold me a car that isn't legal, it has illegal modifications to the headlights, as a consumer it's not my responsibility to overlook every aspect of a used vehicle when i buy it from the dealer, that's why i went to a dealer as apposed to a private seller. and the color of the light isn't the issue either, it's the reflector not being present. it's the dealer's responsibility to make the vehicle SAFE before resale, and according to DOT the orange reflector makes the vehicle safer/more visible, end of story.

that's not the argument here anyway... i want to know if i'm entitled to the parts they remove given that i've technically bought them, regardless of legality, when they make good on things.
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Old 02-19-2007, 08:51 PM   #4
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how much are they charging you? if its for new lights then yes. if its only labor then i doubt it.
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Old 02-19-2007, 08:59 PM   #5
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why? because they sold me a car that isn't legal, it has illegal modifications to the headlights, as a consumer it's not my responsibility to overlook every aspect of a used vehicle when i buy it from the dealer, that's why i went to a dealer as apposed to a private seller. and the color of the light isn't the issue either, it's the reflector not being present. it's the dealer's responsibility to make the vehicle SAFE before resale, and according to DOT the orange reflector makes the vehicle safer/more visible, end of story.

that's not the argument here anyway... i want to know if i'm entitled to the parts they remove given that i've technically bought them, regardless of legality, when they make good on things.
Bold statement in red my friend.

Well,

You did buy a used car and now you are just noticing this problem. I don't know California Laws, so I could not tell you if I am right or wrong. Was this disccused before the buy? If not, then I would have to say that you are SOL. You signed the dotted line and now the car is yours. Also, does the car have a current or fresh state inspection? I would just make sure there are orange bulbs in the headlight housing and not worry about it. And do you know how many car's are sold in Cali that are illegal? A lot because if the car is not new in Cali then it is illegal.....I just feel for you guy's in California.
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Old 02-19-2007, 09:12 PM   #6
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I would imagine they will give you your old parts back if you asked.

The only exception is if it was a warranty issue, which this isn't and why it doesnt belong in the section anyways. All warranty repairs, the customer does not get the old parts back.
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Old 02-19-2007, 09:17 PM   #7
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Purchase of a modified vehicle isn't a warranty issue, but a dealer issue. I'm not really sure what you are talking about, though, as cleared and painted headlights won't necessarily be legal if you just add orange lamps for the turn indicators, and clear lamps for the headlights. If it's just blue tinted ****ty after market lamps, it's really not worth pissing with the dealer about, just buy a set of replacment lamps.
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Old 02-19-2007, 10:02 PM   #8
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This isn't even a close call. If the dealer is replacing the illegally-modified headlights free of charge to you, then the dealer can displose of the replaced headlights however it sees fit. If you're paying to have this done, then you get to keep the old headlights.

In the first case, you might offer to buy the old headlight assemblies from the dealer. But that'd probably engender deep suspicion about what kind of scam you're trying to pull.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:27 AM   #9
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ok first off this is no scam, the car sits as it did the day i bought it from the dealer, 3 weeks ago. 2nd, in the state of california at least, as a licensed car dealership they must perform a SAFETY inspection before they can sell a car, the lack of the orange REFLECTOR is a safety issue per D.O.T., not per me (color of light output is not the issue here, if it were a 50 cent bulb i would change it but it's a $500+? set of headlights), 3rd, because they are required by law to pass a safety inspection, just because i signed on the dotted line does not transfer all problems to me.

they obviously just overlooked the headlights, because they basically do LOOK unmodified, and they willingly offered (after i pointed it out to them) to replace the headlights and they offered me a loaner vehicle, the dealer is not being an a-hole about this at all.

by the way, i'm not paying for anything, they know it's their responsibility to replace the headlights.

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Old 02-20-2007, 12:51 AM   #10
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Then it sounds like you will not get the other lights back. they will need to show them for account/ inventory purposes most likely.

What dealer?
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:25 AM   #11
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This isn't even a close call. If the dealer is replacing the illegally-modified headlights free of charge to you, then the dealer can displose of the replaced headlights however it sees fit. If you're paying to have this done, then you get to keep the old headlights.

In the first case, you might offer to buy the old headlight assemblies from the dealer. But that'd probably engender deep suspicion about what kind of scam you're trying to pull.

I tend to agree... If the dealer's paying for the swap, the old lights belong to them. If you're paying extra for them to do it, the lights belong to you. The dealer may feel nice and give the old ones to you, but they have no obligation to do so if they're paying for the swap.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:07 PM   #12
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Why are you so worried about getting the old ones back?Get the new ones put in and don't worry about the old ones.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:35 PM   #13
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I tend to agree... If the dealer's paying for the swap, the old lights belong to them. If you're paying extra for them to do it, the lights belong to you. The dealer may feel nice and give the old ones to you, but they have no obligation to do so if they're paying for the swap.
I agree.

You can't have it both ways. Either the lights are yours, and your problem/cost to fix them, or the lights are the dealers, and their responsibility to fix.


It's like when my friend bought a "stock" WRX from a dealer (with remaining warranty) and it ended up having an uppipe, piggyback, and underdrive pullies. The dealer removed/replaced all the aftermarket parts free of charge, but he didn't get them back.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:36 PM   #14
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Why are you so worried about getting the old ones back?Get the new ones put in and don't worry about the old ones.
Because now he knows that he has a modded headlight set that he can sell on here. Basically the OP wants the best of both worlds. Free repair, profit from parts sales. It doesn't help that the dealer tech wants them. That's obviously just making the OP mad that something that others want is coming off his car and he doesn't get to profit from it. You can't have it both ways pal.
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:18 PM   #15
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as others have mentioned, if the dealer is paying, they get to keep them. If your paying... you can request to get back the old parts and they will have to give them to you.
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:22 PM   #16
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w3rd..

if the dealer is fixing the defect... then you don't get the old parts..

I really would have liked to have kept my original rear clunking.. STi shocks to resell, or even give to one of my WRX buddies...

but had to give them up to be sent in as part of the warranty..

abit different situation.. I know..

I guess, feel lucky that you have new lights coming, or new lights already, and are legal.. rather than having to worry about driving around in an illegally modded car..

because if you got a ticket.. it would be on you. not the dealer, as they aren't the ones driving the car.

I'd just drop it...

Link (to someone in socal selling cleared head-lights) J/K
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Old 02-20-2007, 07:45 PM   #17
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Your old parts are your property unless other conditions were agreed upon.
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Old 02-20-2007, 07:57 PM   #18
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Because now he knows that he has a modded headlight set that he can sell on here. Basically the OP wants the best of both worlds. Free repair, profit from parts sales. It doesn't help that the dealer tech wants them. That's obviously just making the OP mad that something that others want is coming off his car and he doesn't get to profit from it. You can't have it both ways pal.
Assuming this is accurate ^^^...

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Old 02-21-2007, 12:31 AM   #19
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my lights are cleared and i didnt like the white turn signal look (ricey) so I just put orange bulbs in there and it looks fine. Because of the reflection it actually appears that there are ambers in there so the cops wont give you trouble in the day either.
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Old 02-21-2007, 03:05 AM   #20
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it sounded like the service repair guy wanted mine for his own car, he even joked about just swapping with me.
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Because now he knows that he has a modded headlight set that he can sell on here. Basically the OP wants the best of both worlds. Free repair, profit from parts sales. It doesn't help that the dealer tech wants them. That's obviously just making the OP mad that something that others want is coming off his car and he doesn't get to profit from it. You can't have it both ways pal.
you've got it/me all wrong. maybe i'm being picky but i guess i'd rather not have some other guys used headlights, maybe i'm not entitled to new ones seeing as i bought a used car, but i guess i got turned off by the service dude saying he could just swap his for mine. i mean it was pretty obvious that that's what they had planned, that's why i didn't leave my car with them at that moment. if i got the headlights back i'd know for sure that they weren't just swapped. whatever, i don't even really care anymore. peace.
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Old 02-22-2007, 08:55 PM   #21
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you've got it/me all wrong. maybe i'm being picky but i guess i'd rather not have some other guys used headlights, maybe i'm not entitled to new ones seeing as i bought a used car, but i guess i got turned off by the service dude saying he could just swap his for mine. i mean it was pretty obvious that that's what they had planned, that's why i didn't leave my car with them at that moment. if i got the headlights back i'd know for sure that they weren't just swapped. whatever, i don't even really care anymore. peace.
If you didn't want "used" headlights, then you shouldn't have bought a "used" car.
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Old 02-22-2007, 11:29 PM   #22
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Old 02-23-2007, 01:16 AM   #23
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If you didn't want "used" headlights, then you shouldn't have bought a "used" car.
i didn't want "modified" headlights, ie baked, taken apart, spray painted and baked again.
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:20 AM   #24
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i didn't want "modified" headlights, ie baked, taken apart, spray painted and baked again.
No, that's not what I'm talking about. You were bent out of shape because some guy was going to take his 2004 headlights out, and swap them into your 2004. You wanted NEW headlights, not just replacements put in your car. If you just wanted legal, unmolested headlights then the USED ones out of the service tech's car should have been just fine. In fact, they are of the same vintage as your modified ones. Had your modified ones never been modified, they'd be just as "used" as the ones the service tech talked about swapping in.
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