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Old 02-21-2007, 03:39 PM   #1
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Default Acura’s NSX Seen Headed Back To The Drawing Board?

Acura’s NSX Seen Headed Back To The Drawing Board?

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When Acura showed the Advanced Sports Car Concept off at Detroit this January, the car drew a lot of wows, but insiders let it be known that the shiny showstand beauty was not for real.

How could it be, when the concept was an engineless, interiorless fiberglass mock-up with blacked-out windows? Wait for the Tokyo Show in October, went the word, when Honda/Acura would show an updated version, much closer to what will appear in the showrooms around 2009, complete with promised V-10 engine.

Now comes word from a source familiar with the program that the Tokyo Show car won’t be for real, either and that secretly, behind the scenes, Acura has completely torn up the whole script and started over. Honda’s top management isn’t happy with either car, so we hear, so it’s back to the drawing board, again, at least in terms of how the finished car will look, although the basic proportions and front-engined V-10 package and all-wheel drive layout will stay…

Adding to the pressure, of course, is the Lexus LF-A and thunderous new Nissan Skyline GT-R, two major league rivals close to production and that at the going rate will beat the Acura into the showroom by years.

Another issue is price. While the NSX ended up a $90,000 car, Acura is thinking about $150,000 for the new V-10 car, which is Aston Martin DB9 money, near enough, so the customer base is set to be far more exclusive even than the NSX….
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Old 02-21-2007, 03:42 PM   #2
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Yeah, umm... I'd go back to the drawing board as well. And why give up on the MR layout? I figured that was part of the appeal of the original NSX.


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Old 02-21-2007, 04:07 PM   #3
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Mid engine or bust
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:21 PM   #4
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Dear Honda,

Try to aim the price lower. No one that can afford a $150,000 car is going to buy a Honda. Remember the reason it didn't sell to begin with (not accounting for the small engine and lack of power). Didn't you just have the same issue with the RL? Didn't you price that car out of range as well?

Thank you for your time,

A person that would like to see a realistic NSX.
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:32 PM   #5
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Dear Honda,

Try to aim the price lower. No one that can afford a $150,000 car is going to buy a Honda. Remember the reason it didn't sell to begin with (not accounting for the small engine and lack of power). Didn't you just have the same issue with the RL? Didn't you price that car out of range as well?

Thank you for your time,

A person that would like to see a realistic NSX.
When the NSX debuted, it was priced at $65k and ended at $89k. It never costed $150k unless you're talking about the NSX GT, which only 4 were built and sold in Japan for SuperGT homologation. The problem with the NSX was not it's price (when it first came out, it could beat Ferrari 348s at a lower price and much better reliability), but Honda failed to adequately revise and refresh the car. Now, even the J-spec NSX Type R can't hold a candle the Ferrari F430.

As for the RL, I agree about the price. One can nearly buy a BMW 550 for the same MSRP. I think the car needs a V8 engine that isn't anemic for the car's weight.

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Old 02-21-2007, 04:36 PM   #6
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When the NSX debuted, it was priced at $65k and ended at $89k. It never costed $150k ...
Re-read the article.



$150k for an NSX? Sad. $90k wasn't cheap, but at least it was somewhat reasonable - a poor man's Ferrari. Now it's going head to head with exotics...

I predict failure.
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:37 PM   #7
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at $150K

What a board room fantasy.

If they had kept the NSX competitive all these years, MAYBE Honda/Acura would've had the sporting prestige to sell a $150K sports car by now. MAYBE.

But all that Honda did to that car, except for some special addition JDM versions, was a minor facelift and an addition of 20HP over 15 years. It started out as a Ferrari competitor and ended up as an overpriced Honda that was 15 years old in design.

You can't build prestige by dropping a supercar every 20 years and abandoning it inbetween.

Where the hell is the S2000 successor anyway?
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^^^ exactly.

Honda really dropped the ball. In the early- to late-nineties it really had some competitive products and captured the attention of the sport compact crowd. Instead of capitalizing on that, it declined to being over any additional Type-Rs and decided to become another toyota: bland and boring (with the very specialized S2000 being the single exception).

Honestly, **** 'em. For the way Toyota and Honda have treated the enthusiast market in the US, I hope I never buy another one of their products.
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:50 PM   #9
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^ I agree. When I heard the Integra / RSX was going to be bigger, heavier, and have McPherson Struts, I about cried. Yes, the K series is a hell of a motor... but the rest of the car just isn't.

Man, I miss my GS-R sometimes...
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Old 02-21-2007, 07:08 PM   #10
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I share the EXACT sentiments as the last 2 posters -- Honda blew it in a big way, and I'll never go back. DIAF, Honda/Acura!

(When I get to missing my '98 GS-R, I go visit my kid sister and borrow it for a beatspin -- 268K miles on the original clutch, and it's never used a drop of oil since break-in.)
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Re-read the article.



$150k for an NSX? Sad. $90k wasn't cheap, but at least it was somewhat reasonable - a poor man's Ferrari. Now it's going head to head with exotics...

I predict failure.
I dont like that new design, but thats not gonna be the final. honda is just seeing peoples reaction. The NSX was expensive because it was expensive to manufacture. all aluminum and hand built. But I believe the final product will be awesome. why all these asian car companies take so long to bring out new sports cars, because toyota, honda does it right. Its gotta be affordable and incorporate the latest tech.. not another increased displacement motor on a minivan chassis and century old suspension setup concept.
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I share the EXACT sentiments as the last 2 posters -- Honda blew it in a big way, and I'll never go back. DIAF, Honda/Acura!

(When I get to missing my '98 GS-R, I go visit my kid sister and borrow it for a beatspin -- 268K miles on the original clutch, and it's never used a drop of oil since break-in.)
holy SH|T. I killed my clutch at like 110... then again, I was autocrossing a bit.

That's awesome... keep 'er goin dude!
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I think the Advanced Sports Car has its place, and would be an excellent car. I don't think it should be the next NSX. Maybe it should be called the Advanced Grand Touring concept instead.
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why all these asian car companies take so long to bring out new sports cars, because toyota, honda does it right. Its gotta be affordable and incorporate the latest tech.. not another increased displacement motor on a minivan chassis and century old suspension setup concept.
Please give me an example of what you are talking about here.

Currently,

Most expensive BMW: M6 @$100K
Most expensive Porsche: 911 Turbo @$120K
Most expensive Audi: R8 @$110K

And the R8, which is a Gallardo clone and looks fantastic, is said to be pushing the limit of Audi brand name.

And you mean to tell me a $150K Honda makes sense? Why, because it's the company that makes the legendary TL?
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I agree with ^^^^^^
Honda needs to stick to what made the NSX great. Sleek styling and mid engine layout. Plain and simple.
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Honda needs to build a no-nonsense Mid engined RWD Corvette fighter. Even if it can't beat the vette in numbers, it can beat it in driving experience and style.
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