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Old 02-23-2007, 01:01 AM   #1
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Default Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3's still the best all-around summer tires?

I know this is one of those never-ending topics, but after reading several threads and hundreds of posts, it seems that there is no consensus about this.

Which summer tire is best for typical STREET driving (not auto-x or other racing)?

Good traction both wet and dry, good hydroplaning resistance, along with a reasonable tread wear rating (say 240 or better)?

I'm not looking for the ultimate dry traction with a tread wear rating of 80 or 120. Just the best all-around tire. I'm willing to give up the last 2 or 3% of dry traction for the other features listed above.

A couple years ago, the F1 GS-D3 was the top rated tire in both Car & Driver and Consumer Reports testing. As far as I can tell from reading posts here and the info at The Tire Rack's site, it is still a very good tire, and may still be the best choice.

I'm currently running Toyo T1-R's, but my previous tires were the F1 GS-D3's. Between those two I prefer the Goodyears, but they aren't too far apart.

So, what are your opinions? The Toyo's are about worn out and I'd like to have some nice new rubber when I take the winter tires off.
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I'm currently running Toyo T1-R's, but my previous tires were the F1 GS-D3's. Between those two I prefer the Goodyears, but they aren't too far apart.
I think that's probably the answer right there. The current generation of ultra high and max performance tires are all pretty damn good, close enough that it's probably not worth sweating it too much. I'd look at tread wear (actual tread wear - what did you get out of your two sets of tires?) and pricing. The performance of all of them is going to be damn close, close enough that in street driving it shouldn't make a difference.

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Potenza RE01Rs are where it is at. These things have been a dream for me.
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Old 02-23-2007, 03:28 AM   #4
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From the stuff I read here it sounds like the F1's still have pretty good dry grip but the wet grip is still tops.

I love 'em still, especially for the amount of comfort and reasonably low noise for the amount of performance they provide.
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Potenza RE01Rs are where it is at. These things have been a dream for me.
I am so tempted to forgo all seasons on my second set of wheels and just go with RE01Rs to be my dry tires and my F1s to be my wets. Oh no, I'm becoming a tire whore.
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Old 02-23-2007, 04:39 AM   #6
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I think that's probably the answer right there. The current generation of ultra high and max performance tires are all pretty damn good, close enough that it's probably not worth sweating it too much. I'd look at tread wear (actual tread wear - what did you get out of your two sets of tires?) and pricing. The performance of all of them is going to be damn close, close enough that in street driving it shouldn't make a difference.

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That sounds like good advice.

I've gotten about 25 to 30K miles out of all of the summer tires I've had -- Bridgestone Potenza RE730's, Firestone (Bridgestone) FZ50 EP's, Goodyear F1 GS-D3's, and the ones I have now, the Toyo T1-R's.

IIRC, they were all about the same price, +/- $10 or so.

I know that in CR's tests, there were some differences. C&D and Tire Rack tend to minimize those differences -- possibly because they know which side their bread is buttered on (or maybe they really are close).

In reading through all the various threads, and looking a Tire Rack's data and customer reviews, a few tires that seemed decent (in addition to the F1 GS-D3's) were:

[Not in any particular order]:

1) Michelin PS2 (only 17" and larger though -- I've got the stock 16" wheels).

2) Continental ContiSport Contact 2 -- $100 to $104 depending on speed rating.

3) Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07

4) Bridgestone Potenza RE050A -- $77 (!) closeout at Tire Rack

5) Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Pole Position -- $126

6) Bridgestone RE-01R -- $116

7) Toyo T1-R

8) Dunlop SP Sport 9000

9) Dunlop SP Sport Max -- $108

10) Goodyear F1 GS-D3 -- $131

C&D Rankings: 10; 2; 3; 1.

CR Rankings: 10; 7; 2; 8.

Tire Rack customer Rankings: 1; 10; 4; 9.

In addition to the Goodyears, I'm considering the Continentals, the Dunlop Sport Max, and the Yokohamas -- but I'm open to suggestions.

Keep in mind, my WRX is a daily commuter, so I need good all-around performance -- wet, dry, anti-hydroplaning, treadwear, noise, ride,etc.

Am I missing any?

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Old 02-23-2007, 02:04 PM   #7
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I've done the same research as you, and A summer tire that has 280 treadwear with minor 'mushiness' is fine for me I think, or i Hope, maybe it'll teach me not to be so aggressive on my dedicated 'mushy' LM-25s
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Ranked #1 in UHP category. General is the subdivision of continental. The kirkland of name brands!
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Ranked #1 in UHP category. General is the subdivision of continental. The kirkland of name brands!
I've run a large assortment of tires - and the General Exclaim UHP is ranked near the bottom of the list. Compared to the GS-D3 it is a joke. The Goodyear is superior to it in both in the dry and the wet. The only thing great about the General is that it is dirt cheap.

The customer review system on Tire Rack is flawed because of one thing - the customer. Most customers have tried maybe 2 different types of tires at most, so they don't have reference points to compare tires. If it handles better than ****ty stock, it gets a great rating.....
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I'm torn between the Pilot Exalto PE2 and the Sport Maxx.

Think I'll end up with the PE2, b/c it's a non-directional tread and it should make for a slightly more-refined daily driver.
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Sounds like the GSD3 is the best option for you. But as others have said, for street driving you'll likely not notice the difference in grip between all the tires, but the qualitative differences like response and feedback would be the main differences.

I think the GSD3 is the hands down best performer in the wet.
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Ranked #1 in UHP category. General is the subdivision of continental. The kirkland of name brands!
Thanks for pointing that out, I had forgotten about the General Exclaim.

In Tire Rack's testing, it didn't do so well, even though the reviews at the bottom of the page you linked to are persuasive:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...lay.jsp?ttid=4

DumbUglyDragon makes a good point about customer reviews -- they can be helpful, but need to be taken with a grain of salt. It's often hard to tell how much experience the customer has had with various tires. Even if they've owned a lot of them, it's not the same as comparing them back to back like Tire Rack, C&D, or Consumer Reports do.
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Thanks for pointing that out, I had forgotten about the General Exclaim.

In Tire Rack's testing, it didn't do so well, even though the reviews at the bottom of the page you linked to are persuasive:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...lay.jsp?ttid=4

DumbUglyDragon makes a good point about customer reviews -- they can be helpful, but need to be taken with a grain of salt. It's often hard to tell how much experience the customer has had with various tires. Even if they've owned a lot of them, it's not the same as comparing them back to back like Tire Rack, C&D, or Consumer Reports do.
I think for the PRICE, General Excliam are good just for typical street use. He's looking for "summer tires that is best for typical STREET driving."

I honestly believe that any other tire out there would only perform better 10-20% but cost a lot more than General Exclaim. If you are just driving in the summer and not doing anything else, GE are great tires for the price.

I don't street race, I don't take turns 40mph, and I don't autocross. Why would I need such high performance tires? GE are fantastic summer tires and definitely accommodate my needs.
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I think the GSD3 is the hands down best performer in the wet.
I really like this aspect. Rain reduces traction so much. On the street you'll probably never experience the need for the differences in dry traction levels... however, wet traction is quickly obvious even at street speeds/demands.
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I'm torn between the Pilot Exalto PE2 and the Sport Maxx.

Think I'll end up with the PE2, b/c it's a non-directional tread and it should make for a slightly more-refined daily driver.
I'm using the GS-D3 as my 'benchmark' or reference tire.

The Dunlop Sport Max is certainly tempting -- very good performance and the price is decent at $108 in the stock 205/55R-16 size (last I checked at Tire Rack). That would be almost $100 less than the GS-D3's for a set of 4.
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I think for the PRICE, General Excliam are good just for typical street use. He's looking for "summer tires that is best for typical STREET driving."

I honestly believe that any other tire out there would only perform better 10-20% but cost a lot more than General Exclaim. If you are just driving in the summer and not doing anything else, GE are great tires for the price.

I don't street race, I don't take turns 40mph, and I don't autocross. Why would I need such high performance tires? GE are fantastic summer tires and definitely accommodate my needs.
Honestly though, for the way they perform (getting beat by ES100 for pete's sake), you would probably be better served by getting one of the lower priced UHP all-season tires. The Kumho ASX or the Sumitumo HTR+ will put out similar numbers and they are more versatile tires.

Lower performing summer only tires seem really pointless to me. Why bother buying a specialty tire that can't outperform more all-purpose tires at the same price level?
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I think for the PRICE, General Excliam are good just for typical street use. He's looking for "summer tires that is best for typical STREET driving."

I honestly believe that any other tire out there would only perform better 10-20% but cost a lot more than General Exclaim. If you are just driving in the summer and not doing anything else, GE are great tires for the price.

I don't street race, I don't take turns 40mph, and I don't autocross. Why would I need such high performance tires? GE are fantastic summer tires and definitely accommodate my needs.
I'm the 'he' you're referring to (the originator of this thread).

I don't disagree with anything you said, and I wouldn't try to talk you out of getting the GE tires. If you're happy with them that's all that matters. Obviously a lot of other folks like them or they wouldn't be rated #1 by Tire Rack's customers.

I suppose it comes down to how heavily you weigh cost. If a person is looking for value (bang for the buck) the GE's are certainly right up there -- decent performance at a very good price (relative to other UHP tires).

I should make my criteria more clear.

While I certainly don't have money to burn, I'm willing to spend more for demonstrably better performance. So, while the price difference between the GE's and the GS-D3's is huge, for me the extra performance (particularly the wet and anti-hydroplaning performance) is worth the extra money. Again, that's just my perspective -- it's certainly reasonable for others to decide otherwise.

So...using the GS-D3's at $131 each as a baseline, what else is out there that would:

a) Perform as good or better in all categories, and

b) cost the same or less, and

c) have a reasonable tread wear rating, at least 240?

For example, I mentioned the Dunlop SP Sport Max tires above. They seem to have performance comparable to the GS-D3's (maybe better in some ways) and they cost $108 -- or $92 less for four tires.
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I really like this aspect. Rain reduces traction so much. On the street you'll probably never experience the need for the differences in dry traction levels... however, wet traction is quickly obvious even at street speeds/demands.
I feel the same way.

I'm willing to give up a bit of dry traction for longer tread life and/or better wet traction.

Put another way -- I'd love to be able to pull over 1G on dry pavement, but not if it means having to replace my tires every 8,000 miles, or putting up with mediocre wet performance (ie. worse than some all-season tires).

I need a tire that has good wet performance, even if it means I can't tear up an autocross course.
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I am so tempted to forgo all seasons on my second set of wheels and just go with RE01Rs to be my dry tires and my F1s to be my wets. Oh no, I'm becoming a tire whore.
Are you saying you aren't happy with the wet performance of the RE01R's?

I have them on my list (above) as tires that got several good mentions and did well in Tire Rack testing (IIRC). Also, they're only $116 -- or $60 less for 4 compared to the GS-D3's.

Don't they have a relatively low tread wear rating though?
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Sounds like the GSD3 is the best option for you. But as others have said, for street driving you'll likely not notice the difference in grip between all the tires, but the qualitative differences like response and feedback would be the main differences.

I think the GSD3 is the hands down best performer in the wet.
I agree, but response and feedback are of course very important.

If there is a tire out there with similar wet/dry performance and tread wear but better response and/or feedback I would certainly consider it -- even if it were a little louder or hasher riding.
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Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3's still the best all-around summer tires?
They never were and they still aren't.

Michelin PS2 if you want a little softer, better-in-wet tire, and Bridgestone RE01R if you want the best dry tire that is also highly capable in the wet.
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Are you saying you aren't happy with the wet performance of the RE01R's?
No... I've never owned RE01R's. But they sound like they have superior dry traction over the F1's, and the F1's have slightly superior wet traction over the RE01R's. That's all.
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They never were and they still aren't.

Michelin PS2 if you want a little softer, better-in-wet tire, and Bridgestone RE01R if you want the best dry tire that is also highly capable in the wet.
Strong words!

I probably shouldn't have phrased the question the way I did. There can be no absolute 'best' I suppose, since so much depends on the driver's priorities.

Even though tire testing can be highly objective, there are still certain things -- 'responsiveness', 'turn-in', 'feedback', and at-the-limit behavior that are at least somewhat subjective.

Also, even when dealing with purely objective data -- stopping distance, g-forces, etc. -- different people weight the various attributes of a tire differently. Some folks are all about maximum dry traction at the expense of everything else, others place more emphasis on wet performance, for some it might be a soft, quiet ride (ok, probably not so much here on NASIOC...), others might emphasize tread life.

In my case I'm looking for a well balanced (no pun intended) tire.

You say the GS-D3's aren't and never were the 'best' summer tire. Do you disagree with C&D and CR's test results? Do you think they should have weighted things differently? Or were the PS2's and RE01R's just not tested? Were these two tires even available then?

You'll see they are both on my list (above). I'm going to take another look at both of them. Remnex likes the RE01R's and IIRC, BIGSKYWRX told me he bought them for his car. One minor problem -- I still have the factory wheels, and I don't think Michelin makes the PS2's in the stock size.

You say the PS2 is better in wet and softer riding -- does it give up anything to the GS-D3 in regard to dry traction, turn-in, or responsiveness?

Same question about the RE01R -- you indicate that it's better on dry roads but perhaps not as good in the wet, is that right?

I should emphasize that when I refer to 'wet performance' I mean not only traction on wet pavement but anti-hydroplaning ability. Both are very important. There are quite a few tires that have good wet traction, but very few that will also resist hydroplaning at highway speeds if there is any significant amount of water on the pavement -- like when it's rutted from truck traffic or in an area with poor drainage. If the PS2 is better than the GS-D3 it must be pretty impressive.

Thanks for your advice -- I'm going to read up on those two and report back.

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No... I've never owned RE01R's. But they sound like they have superior dry traction over the F1's, and the F1's have slightly superior wet traction over the RE01R's. That's all.
Thanks for clearing that up.

It sounds like the RE01R's might be the ticket -- certainly worth a hard look.

I'm off to check out Tire Rack's info on them.

BTW -- something I forgot to ask:

When Tire Rack does their testing, they usually use BMW 330i sedans and one of them has Goodyear RS-A's as a reference tire. What I'm wondering is -- if we want to compare two or more tires that weren't tested at the same time (in the same test), can we compare the numerical ratings from one test to another? If not, can we compare how one tire did against the reference RS-A in one test with how a tire in a different test compared to the RS-A?

Just curious -- it would be helpful if we could.
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They never were and they still aren't.

Michelin PS2 if you want a little softer, better-in-wet tire, and Bridgestone RE01R if you want the best dry tire that is also highly capable in the wet.
Tire Rack's test results confirm what you said about the wet traction of the PS2's:

"In the wet, the difference between the tires was more pronounced. Here, the Potenza RE050A Pole Position showed an advantage by providing the progressive handling and traction that allowed it to lap the course in 31.783 seconds and generate more grip around the skidpad. The Pilot Sport PS2 was 1/2 second slower and the Eagle F1 GS-D3 was only 7/100 of a second further back. The Potenza S-03 Pole Position again felt predictable but was about 1.1 seconds back lacking the ultimate wet traction of the other tires (a capability that it was best in class in just a few years ago). The results showed just how far new tire wet traction and handling has come."

When it came to ride quality though they seem to prefer the GS-D3's:

"The Eagle F1 GS-D3 produced the best ride quality with the Pilot Sport PS2 and Potenza RE050A Pole Position close behind. The Potenza RE050A Pole Position produced the least amount of tread and impact noise with the Eagle F1 GS-D3 and Pilot Sport PS2 close behind. Road handling levels were appropriate for all tires in the test. The Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 was the most responsive, closely followed by the Eagle F1 GS-D3 and the Potenza RE050A Pole Position."

I'm really liking what I'm reading about the RE01R's. They are definitely in the running. In Tire Rack's tests, the Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07 edged it out in dry performance, but just barely. The ride quality and noise level of the RE01R's is significantly better, so it got a much higher overall score for the 'road rating' and they were almost tied for the 'track rating'.

From the write-up:

"The Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07 led the dry track test, feeling hooked up with very little slip, slide or brake lock-up. The Potenza RE-01R was very close behind in lap time and delivered the highest cornering forces of the group. For the first time in our test history, the Potenza RE-01R allowed a driver to exceed 1g (1.003g) on both of his laps on the dry skidpad with our stock BMW 325i."

Damn!

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