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Old 02-26-2007, 03:47 PM   #1
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Default Navistar halts diesel engine shipments to Ford

Navistar halts diesel engine shipments to Ford

queryvar="navistar,halts,diesel,engine,shipments,t o,ford"; Richard Truett | Automotive News / February 26, 2007 - 8:49 am / UPDATED: 2/26/2007 12:18 P.M.




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The new Super Duty pickup, the most profitable vehicle that financially strapped Ford Motor Co. will sell this year, is in danger of stalling midlaunch.

Navistar International Corp. said today it has stopped shipping the 2008 Super Duty's popular 6.4-liter Power Stroke diesel engine in a contract dispute.

"The bottom line is we have to be paid," Navistar spokesman Roy Wiley said. He added that he could not recall a time where his company halted supplies of a key component to a customer.

Wiley would not say whether Ford has stopped paying completely for engines or is not paying enough for each engine. Ford refused to comment on the specifics of the dispute.

But this storm has been brewing since last month when Ford sued Navistar over the pricing issue and warranty costs related to the 6.0-liter Super Duty diesel engine that went out of production last year.

Ford's lawsuit claims that Navistar has failed to live up to an agreement to share warranty costs and accuses Navistar of not negotiating in good faith on prices for the new Power Stroke engine. Both claims are without merit, Wiley said.

Ford said it withheld money from Navistar invoices to make up for the money it feels it is owed for warranty costs.

Relations between Ford and Navistar have been strained for years over the troubles with the 6.0-liter Power Stroke engine, which came out in 2002.

The Super Duty truck is expected to play a vital role in hauling Ford out of it financial troubles. Ford has spent millions launching the vehicle, which started arriving at dealers earlier this month.

Navistar has been building 2,000 6.4-liter Power Stroke engines per week since early January.

Ford would not comment on how many Super Duty trucks are in dealers' hands. But Ford has built a stockpile of 6.4-liter engines, so no production interruptions are expected.

"We can support production for the near term," Ford spokeswoman Becky Sanch said.

Navistar ranks No. 47 on the Automotive News list of the top 100 global suppliers with worldwide original-equipment automotive parts sales of $3.27 billion in 2005.
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Old 02-26-2007, 04:26 PM   #2
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Way to go Ford! Burn your key suppliers to your most profitable vehicles! Get `ir Done!

Detroit has been doing this for years, and it is entirely their fault now that it is backfiring on them.

Who wants to bet that if Toyota needs a supplier for a heavy-duty diesel pickup, that Navistar is going to bend over backwards to get that account - and probably give them a better deal than what Ford gets, simply because Toyota actually pays it bills.
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Old 02-26-2007, 06:04 PM   #3
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i understand where ford is coming from. the 6.0 was a bs engine. they were ALWAYS having trouble and waranty claims on that thing.
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i understand where ford is coming from. the 6.0 was a bs engine. they were ALWAYS having trouble and waranty claims on that thing.
Edzachary. Navistar has to own up to its ****up with that turd.

I think Navistar is going to find it hard to turn a profit limiting the engine to commercial chassis only if they want to press on without Ford. Remember, their engines have been in Ford pickups for quite a while now.
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and Toyota probably will not need Navistar....believe it or not in other part of the world Toyota make amazing diesel engine that will last for ever.
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i just loled cos the f250 commercial just played.
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what was wrong w/ that engine reliability wise? My dad has a 2005 or 2006 F250 w/ the PSD motor...I wanna know what to be ready for in case it breaks.
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Ford said it withheld money from Navistar invoices to make up for the money it feels it is owed for warranty costs.
That's the killer. "We're Ford, so we'll just give ourselves a discount, thanks."
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what was wrong w/ that engine reliability wise? My dad has a 2005 or 2006 F250 w/ the PSD motor...I wanna know what to be ready for in case it breaks.
there are SO many problems with them its not even funny. to be honest, this is just a guess, but i would no be surprised if there are over 100k cases of ford delerships replacing the 6.0 under warranty because some catostrophic failure. THIS IS JUST A GUESS BTW. but i have heard tons of stories about the 6.0 blowing.
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what was wrong w/ that engine reliability wise? My dad has a 2005 or 2006 F250 w/ the PSD motor...I wanna know what to be ready for in case it breaks.
From Wikipedia

The problems included leaky fuel injectors, oil leaks, and sticking turbocharger vanes. There have been 77 technical service bullitens related to the engine since its introduction.


It's just bad.
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Ford's Diesel motor is the worst... GM's duramax is second worst... (at least based upon customer ratings of problematic diesel motors)

These engines have received several revisions over the past years, and still they have a high failure rate...

The new 6.7L I-6 Cummins Turbo Diesel that Dodge uses is supposed to be awesome, following a rather strong lineage of reliable diesel engines...
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That's the killer. "We're Ford, so we'll just give ourselves a discount, thanks."
Actually navistar owes ford money due to a lawsuit and they have not paid. Thats why ford didnt pay.
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