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Old 02-27-2007, 04:57 PM   #1
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Honda Civic Type R Coming To States In 2010?

http://news.windingroad.com/concept-...tates-in-2010/



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During a recent press drive for the Euro-market Civic Type R (which resulted in this monthís WR cover story), our European Editor, Matt Davis, caught some heavy hints that a variant of the hot hatch is indeed headed Stateside in 2010.

Though the assistant chief engineer from Tochigi was loath to talk specifics, the plan is to offer a package in keeping with the Japanese-market Type R (read: four-door sedan), and include a horsepower boost and a limited-slip differential.

The prototype car shown above, modeled on Hondaís JDM/ASEAN market Civic sedan, incorporates a 2.0-liter iVTEC engine giving nearly 220 horsepower, along with the usual suspension and appearance modifications. Given the close proximity of the standard Japanese Civic sedan to its North American counterpart, it would likely be easier to federalize such a model than attempt to import the Euro-market Type Rís angular hatchback, whose bodystyle wasnít developed with either the U.S. or Canada in mind.

This strikes us as a wise move, because as wonderful as the current Civic Si is here in the States, itís outgunned by high-horsepower entries like the Mazdaspeed3 and Subaru WRX, both of which will be likely targets for this more expensive CTR.




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Old 02-27-2007, 05:32 PM   #2
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Type-R, or Hype-R? I will believe it when i see it, and I would like to see it!
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Old 02-27-2007, 06:40 PM   #3
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As nice as that car is I think the time has passed. I do agree that the Civic Si is out gunned here in the states. But how is this going to help. The dealer markup on it will be insane just like the Si. As if that is not bad enough this car still wont be able to hang with its boosted rivals.

If Honda brought it over in sooner like late 90's then it would have been a big deal.
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Old 02-27-2007, 06:43 PM   #4
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Wow, the wing and the skirts are ridicuously ugly.
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Old 02-27-2007, 10:56 PM   #5
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As nice as that car is I think the time has passed. I do agree that the Civic Si is out gunned here in the states. But how is this going to help. The dealer markup on it will be insane just like the Si. As if that is not bad enough this car still wont be able to hang with its boosted rivals.

If Honda brought it over in sooner like late 90's then it would have been a big deal.
Agreed. Another 200+HP motor sending power to the front wheels. Welcome to 15 years ago. It's too bad, it is a nice looking car as is the hatch offered in Europe. (Americans won't buy hatches though...uh...yeah...just ask any SUV driver.) I wish Honda would start to get some AWD trickle down from Acura.
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Old 02-27-2007, 11:21 PM   #6
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Old 02-28-2007, 03:49 AM   #7
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in the "Type R" logo. Hideous. Who's teenage kid was allowed into the design shop?

After the EK9 gen, which was the last Civic with double-wishbones, I totally lost interest. This changes nothing...
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Old 02-28-2007, 04:14 AM   #8
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actually, that not 100% true. what you see is the four door Si (or 'dominator'
as it is called when equipped with a mugen supercharger). Someone just decided to put type r wheel caps and some crazy wing on it.

The mugen supercharger makes it really quick, but there hasnt been a JDM type R civic for a couple years, and there might not be one for a while. The CEO of Spoon Sports took on a civic 'hype-r' project to show Honda executives what potential there new line has by doing chassis rigidity and motor thermodynamics testing on all the recent models and found that the sedans were best equipped for large power upgrades, and then he did it. it was in Honda Tuning two months ago. According to him, who is as close as anyone is going to get to Honda board room discussions, there arent any plans for developing a Civic type r in japan any time soon, let alone the US. They are focusing on creating a line of turbo sedans and coupes to rival the Nissan GTR and new Toyota Supra. I cant wait to see this...

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Old 02-28-2007, 04:23 AM   #9
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After the EK9 gen, which was the last Civic with double-wishbones, I totally lost interest. This changes nothing...
Agreed, too bad costs supposedly made them go away from the double wishbone set up.
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Old 02-28-2007, 08:22 AM   #10
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K20R is probably one of the best engineered 4cyl around now adays. There are people making close to 300 whp all motor. On the stock displacement, and tons of people making 500whp on stock internals with turbo kits, and more than a few people making around 600-700 with lower compression pistons and forged internals.

Heck I even heard that a Ported K20 head flows more air than the head from an LS7.
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Old 02-28-2007, 10:48 AM   #11
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When is honda going to learn that horsepower isnt everything. theyd be quicker if theyd give out more torque and not more hp and yes go with awd
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When is honda going to learn that horsepower isnt everything. theyd be quicker if theyd give out more torque and not more hp and yes go with awd
Think again. In the North American market HP is everything. People here are not that smart. That's why you get 500 HP cars that run the 1/4 mile in 15 seconds or more.

Another thing to consider is that Honda is a very Fuel conscious company. Another thing that America demands now. So I think they are doing very well with whats going on. I just think that at least the whole Acura lineup should be switched to a AWD platform. They are a little too similar right now.
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actually, that not 100% true. what you see is the four door Si (or 'dominator'
as it is called when equipped with a mugen supercharger). Someone just decided to put type r wheel caps and some crazy wing on it.

The mugen supercharger makes it really quick, but there hasnt been a JDM type R civic for a couple years, and there might not be one for a while. The CEO of Spoon Sports took on a civic 'hype-r' project to show Honda executives what potential there new line has by doing chassis rigidity and motor thermodynamics testing on all the recent models and found that the sedans were best equipped for large power upgrades, and then he did it. it was in Honda Tuning two months ago. According to him, who is as close as anyone is going to get to Honda board room discussions, there arent any plans for developing a Civic type r in japan any time soon, let alone the US. They are focusing on creating a line of turbo sedans and coupes to rival the Nissan GTR and new Toyota Supra. I cant wait to see this...
Wow, your handle is named after the last generation Civic Type R hatch chassis code, and yet you know little about this Civic Type R. This car is a next-generation J-spec Civic Type R. They won't use the hatch because it's too expensive to keep importing from UK's Swindon factories. Yes, it uses the same body kit as the Mugen dominator, but that's pretty much it.

Follow this link for more info:
http://www.honda.co.jp/CIVICTYPE-R/prototype/

The car was already shown at "HOnda Racing THANKS Day", and it's engine was rated at 220ps. Also, when you hear this thing go on the track (there are vids through that link), there is a definite absence of a turbocharger's hiss or a supercharger's meowing.
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Old 02-28-2007, 05:27 PM   #14
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wow, they are WAY behind on the deal...
too bad they can't seem to get with it, in 2010 there will be much sicker cars that will own the type-R...
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2010? WTF?
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I have to tell ya, I drove the Si sedan and it was nice, but I found it way easy to spin the front tires. Now it could have been because it was the first time I ever drove it.
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the back end looks like the old accord 4-door rear end
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As nice as that car is I think the time has passed. I do agree that the Civic Si is out gunned here in the states. But how is this going to help. The dealer markup on it will be insane just like the Si. As if that is not bad enough this car still wont be able to hang with its boosted rivals.

If Honda brought it over in sooner like late 90's then it would have been a big deal.
Seems to be a consensus. I don't know how much the Civic fans are really pushing for the type R (probably pretty hard), but its too little too late. You can already get a pretty ideal package in so many other brands with more power and performance at the same price as an Si. Why spend more for the R?

Honda is just behind the curve.
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2010?!!? We'll all be in flying cars by then...yeah, hydrogen-gas-diesel-electric hybrids and some junk.
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More torque and AWD.. that must be why a 190hp Integra Type R will out-accelerate, out-handle and out-brake a WRX. Take equal drivers in Type Rs and WRXs and set them lose in the D Stock SCCA Solo class. The Type R will win every single time.
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Think again. In the North American market HP is everything. People here are not that smart. That's why you get 500 HP cars that run the 1/4 mile in 15 seconds or more.
500 HP cars that run 15s do so because they are heavy. Find a 1/4 mile calculator that uses torque instead of horsepower.

... or were you trying to prove your point about people not being that smart?
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@ Honda.

Way to keep up with the times, jerks.
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It cracks me up how power hungry most people are.

I can honestly say I had as much fun in my MY98 impreza L with upgraded suspension as I do in my RA swapped L. Handling is paramount in my book, and a good chassis is hard to overcome with coilovers and strut bars.

If this were to handle like an ITR, I'm sold. I'm out to have fun in the twisties and not examine tenths of a second to eleventybillion MPH.

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More torque and AWD.. that must be why a 190hp Integra Type R will out-accelerate, out-handle and out-brake a WRX. Take equal drivers in Type Rs and WRXs and set them lose in the D Stock SCCA Solo class. The Type R will win every single time.
500 HP cars that run 15s do so because they are heavy. Find a 1/4 mile calculator that uses torque instead of horsepower.

... or were you trying to prove your point about people not being that smart?
Beaverboy, my point is exactly what you pointed out. People will buy cars based on HP numbers and not take into consideration any other aspect. I know that it is the weight that keeps these 500HP cars running so slow. But the general consensus in this country is that 1/4 mile times dont matter and the only thing that counts is large seats and HP figures.
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Then please disregard my last sentence. I obviously took your comment at 180deg.
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More torque and AWD.. that must be why a 190hp Integra Type R will out-accelerate, out-handle and out-brake a WRX. Take equal drivers in Type Rs and WRXs and set them lose in the D Stock SCCA Solo class. The Type R will win every single time.
500 HP cars that run 15s do so because they are heavy. Find a 1/4 mile calculator that uses torque instead of horsepower.

... or were you trying to prove your point about people not being that smart?

Bingo........my STX prepped '02 WRX straight line against an STX Integra Type R was identical.

However.......the WRX is a freaking pig compared to the Type R's handling, coilovers and all......

Those that doubt the Type R or Honda's ability are ignorant. They know what they're doing regardless of what the "numbers" appear to represent.

Everytime I drive my 89 Civic Si, I'm amused at how well it does what it does.
Maybe I should put an R badge on it.
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