Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Sunday October 26, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > News & Rumors > Non-Subaru News & Rumors

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-01-2007, 06:16 PM   #1
NYCshopper
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 5126
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: www.nugateway.com
Default Toyota chases HSV, FPV with Toyota Aurion TRD (Australia)

Toyota chases HSV, FPV with Toyota Aurion TRD (Australia)

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=36548



Quote:
Toyota's TRD performance brand hopes muscle in on the traditional Australian muscle cars

Toyota is trying yet again to shed its conservative image with a new performance range aimed at broadening the brand's appeal.

TRD - or Toyota Racing Development - is now part of the brand's Australian line-up, adding a new dimension to a brand that has traditionally excelled at attracting the massed.

The flagship of the Melbourne motor show unveilings was a modified Aurion TRD, which will go on sale by the end of the year as a rival to performance variants of the Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore.

"This is a world-first for Toyota - and it is happening in Australia," says Toyota Australia senior executive director of sales and marketing. "It's the first time TRD has been established as a separate brand under Toyota. And it is the first time anywhere in the world Toyota will engineer and market a range of vehicles under the TRD banner.

"We are drawing on Toyota's motorsport heritage to add a new dimension to the Toyota brand in Australia to increase the desirability of the Toyota brand with performance-enhanced vehicles.

As well as big 19-inch alloy wheels, an aggressive body kit, firmer suspension, bigger brakes and other additions, the Aurion TRD gets a supercharged version of the already powerful 3.5-litre V6 engine.

While Toyota is yet to confirm the car's outright power, Buttner says something in the region of 235kW is the goal.

Still, that's short of the potential rivals including the 245kW Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo, the 260kW Ford Falcon XR8 and the 270kW Holden Commodore SS (the latter two having V8 engines).

Toyota is hinting that the Aurion TRD could be priced at around $50,000, which is as much as $10,000 more than its more established rivals.

With power sent to the front wheels rather than the rear - as it is in the Falcon and Commodore - enthusiasts are already debating the merits of the Aurion TRD.

Still, Toyota is confident the Aurion TRD will find a niche and - perhaps more importantly - help Toyota create a more desirable brand, particularly among younger buyers who are increasingly more important.

"At the planning stage of the TRD Aurion we analysed where best to spend our development dollars to give the maximum benefit to the TRD customer," says Toyota Australia chief engineer Stephen Castles.

"The most immediate differences are the styling enhancements to the exterior and interior: but it's the dynamic performance of the TRD Aurion that really separates it from the standard vehicle. We have put a lot of effort into improving the engine performance and driveability, brake performance and vehicle handling."

Castles also says that, while the Aurion TRD may not be the fastest large car in a straight line, "we concentrated on integrating all of the elements which impact on the driving experience into a balanced and agile vehicle package."

But Toyota's ambitious foray into the performance market goes well beyond the Aurion TRD.

The company is planning on spreading the appeal of the TRD brand, even experimenting with a high-performance version of the Hilux ute..

"What you see here is just the beginning," says Buttner. "TRD is not about enhancing just one model. We are starting with two vehicles this year and then TRD will be progressively developed and expanded."
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
NYCshopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2007, 06:23 PM   #2
teh POD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 90195
Join Date: Jun 2005
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Baltimore, MD
Default

that's what the Camry here should look like.
teh POD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2007, 07:59 PM   #3
importdriver
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 96927
Join Date: Sep 2005
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Ontario, Canada
Default

Damn! That > Camry for sure!!
importdriver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2007, 08:58 PM   #4
sential
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 105288
Join Date: Jan 2006
Default

bahahahaha... FWD sedan to compete against RWD sedans??? I'm starting to think Toyota is being run by a bunch of idiots... Why not build something off the IS platform? duh
sential is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2007, 10:23 AM   #5
qtr_wrx
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 109567
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Qatar
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sential View Post
bahahahaha... FWD sedan to compete against RWD sedans??? I'm starting to think Toyota is being run by a bunch of idiots... Why not build something off the IS platform? duh
a cheaper IS500
qtr_wrx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2007, 10:50 AM   #6
NYCshopper
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 5126
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: www.nugateway.com
Default

More Info & Pics:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm...x-world-debuts

Quote:
Toyota to unveil new brand, new vehicles
Toyota is drawing on its motorsport heritage to unveil a new performance brand at the Melbourne International Motor Show - TRD. TRD will offer vehicles that focus on refined performance and athletic driving dynamics. Its first two vehicles will be launched this year.


A division of Toyota Australia, the company's local engineers and designers draw on Toyota's global resources to develop the TRD vehicles in Australia. The first TRD performance vehicle, on display at the Melbourne show, will be based on the Aurion sedan and is due to be launched in the third quarter of this year. TRD's second model will be derived from the TRD HiLux Concept 4x4 double cab being shown in Melbourne and will be launched by the end of the year. Both new TRD vehicles will feature supercharged engines and a range of engineering and styling enhancements. TRD plans to expand and develop its model line-up, but has not released details. The TRD product range will be sold through a select network of TRD dealers drawn from the Toyota network.


"This is a world first for Toyota - and it is happening in Australia," said David Buttner, Toyota Australia senior executive director sales and marketing. It is the first time TRD has been established as a separate brand under Toyota. It is the first time anywhere in the world Toyota will engineer and market a range of complete vehicles under the TRD banner. We will increase the desirability of the Toyota brand by drawing on Toyota's motorsport heritage. TRD will add a new dimension to the Toyota brand in Australia."


The launch of the first TRD performance vehicles coincides with the 50th anniversary of Toyota's global involvement in motorsport. To mark the establishment of the performance-vehicle division, Toyota's rally team was last year renamed Team TRD.


"Motorsport is the ultimate test-bed for engineers," Mr Buttner said. "The lessons learnt by Team TRD in the forest will be applied to the development of the TRD range of performance vehicles. While Toyota will undertake all design and engineering development for TRD vehicles, final assembly will be carried out by our production supplier, Prodrive."

TRD Aurion at Melbourne Motor Show
Toyota's new performance sedan is one step closer to fruition with the TRD Aurion on display at the Melbourne International Motor Show. Toyota Style Australia finalised the look of the TRD Aurion under the direction of exterior designer Lee Moran and interior designer Anthony Cheung. The exterior aesthetic took inspiration from Toyota's Formula One car. Those influences are most evident in the graphic of the front splitter, the wheel design and the 'diffuser'-style rear. Mr Moran described the TRD Aurion as a vehicle that projects a "powerful and dynamic presence". To continue the F1 theme, Mr Cheung said the team worked on performance-oriented styling with a European flavour.


"The entire vehicle has a purposeful, high tech style with refinement and attention to detail," he said. "The graphic break-up on the steering wheel echoes the hand grip areas on the Toyota F1 wheel." The vehicle's seats suggest a styling evocative of a racing seat, with high lateral support and material changes that work with the driver. "We have incorporated high-grip materials in key areas to brace the occupant," said Mr Cheung. "The interior is performance-focused, but in a very refined way."


Toyota chief engineer Stephen Castles completed mechanical specifications for the vehicle, which include the use of a locally developed supercharger assembly. "At the planning stage of the TRD Aurion we analysed where best to spend our development dollars to give the maximum benefit to the TRD customer. The most immediate differences are the styling enhancements to the exterior and interior: but it's the dynamic performance of the TRD Aurion that really separates it from the standard vehicle. We have put a lot of effort into improving the engine performance and driveability, brake performance and vehicle handling. Most importantly, we concentrated on integrating all of the elements which impact on the driving experience into a balanced and agile vehicle package," he said.


TRD Aurion will boast a supercharged 3.5-litre dual VVT-i V6 engine that has been developed with a target of producing at least 235kW. Power will be transmitted via a six-speed automatic transmission and through multi-spoke 19-inch wheels. Upgrades to braking and suspension systems have also been incorporated.


Mr Castles explained that the vast majority of components developed for the TRD Aurion were sourced locally. "There is a great amount of experience and expertise within the local supplier base in developing and manufacturing performance products. Our engineering team has worked closely with a number of suppliers to develop designs, manufacture and evaluate prototype components and conduct on-vehicle evaluation. Two of these suppliers are Harrop Engineering, who developed the application of the Eaton TVS supercharger, and PBR, who developed an outstanding brake package for this vehicle."


Vital testing and integration of components was completed by Toyota with technical assistance from the Orbital Engine Company. "The work of Orbital Engine Company in testing our engine modifications and working with our calibration engineer to establish engine ECU mapping has been critical to the success of this project. We see the collaboration with key local suppliers as crucial to maintaining the Toyota DNA of Quality, Durability and Reliability," said Mr Castles.


He said the TRD engineering team is made up of car enthusiasts who "embrace the additional freedoms of working on a niche vehicle when compared with mass-production vehicles". "We are all passionate about the TRD Aurion; it is such a wonderful product. The quality of vehicle, the way it drives and handles, are a direct result of the skills of the TRD engineering team," he said. The TRD Aurion is scheduled for launch in August 2007.

TRD HiLux Concept debuts at Melbourne Motor Show
TRD will showcase its new vision for a tough truck at the Melbourne International Motor Show with the first showing of its TRD HiLux Concept double cab 4WD. The TRD HiLux Concept takes the TRD badge into another sector of specialised vehicles. It is designed to appeal to Australia's SUV and commercial vehicle buyers. Styling cues for the TRD HiLux Concept's design were inspired by the TRD Aurion, which is also on display at the Melbourne International Motor Show.


TRD's family resemblance is easily recognised in the evolution of the Aurion's surface language around the vehicle's cooling slots, as well as in the lower 'mouth' area that on the HiLux incorporates openings for a nudge bar. The TRD HiLux has an added toughness that befits a multi-purpose utility vehicle. The TRD HiLux has 17-inch six-spoke wheels with machine-faced and organically sculpted painted centres. The wheel design was chosen to suggest motion even when the vehicle is stationary. TRD graphics feature prominently to clearly differentiate it from existing HiLux vehicles.


The rear of the vehicle features a vertical graphic and colour-coded bumper, while the front has an embossed TRD logo on the grille upper frame and a signature graphic on the mesh. Driving lights have been added and protected by a unique surround, while the B pillars have been blacked out to visually extend the glass side areas. A revised side step with the TRD logo also defines the vehicle's profile. To complete the tray area, a sports bar has been designed in black to pick up the colour cues evident on the sides and back of the vehicle. This sports bar also incorporates the TRD branding.


Production versions of the TRD HiLux will have a 4.0-litre V6 supercharged engine to boost performance, in line with TRD's mission to offer customers integrated performance vehicles. They will also have upgraded suspension, brakes and other performance enhancements. Toyota anticipates that TRD HiLux will be launched in Australia by the end of 2007.

Fifty years and still racing
Toyota celebrates 50 years in motorsport in 2007 - and as always it will compete in the world's leading categories, in doing so developing technology that directly benefits its production car range. Toyota's motorsport heritage has grown from humble beginnings in 1957, when a lone Toyopet Crown de Luxe set off from Melbourne to compete in the 17,000 kilometre Round Australia Trial. Crewed by two Japanese Toyota employees and assisted by an Australian navigator, the trio successfully completed the 19-day epic.


Their participation signalled the start of Toyota's longstanding relationship with Australia and proved the catalyst for Toyota's motorsport passion. Toyota scored its first win with a Toyota Crown in the 1958 Round Japan Rally, but its success blossomed with the opening of the Suzuka Circuit in 1962. Class wins for a Crown, a Corona and a Publica in the touring car event at the 1963 Japanese Grand Prix provided Toyota with the incentive to further develop its motorsport program. The legendary 2000GT was born in 1965, giving the company a true GT sports car that rivalled the best European machinery. Developed by an early incarnation of Toyota Racing Development (TRD), it recorded numerous international speed records, took third place in the 1966 Japanese Grand Prix and reached iconic status following its appearance in the James Bond Film You Only Live Twice.


Toyota then unleashed the Toyota 7 - its first dedicated race car. The Can-Am-based car powered by a 3-litre V8 won the Fuji 1000km race and the Japan Can-Am race in late 1969. After domestic economic conditions forced Toyota to switch its focus to overseas races, Toyota entered a 1.6-litre Celica in the World Rally Championship for the first time in 1972, piloted by Swedish driver Ove Andersson. The marriage of Toyota and Andersson would eventually pave the way to the birth of Toyota's Formula One program, but not before it set about dominating the World Rally Championship.


Rally great Hannu Mikkola handed Toyota its first victory in the 1975 1000 Lakes rally in Finland, the same year that Andersson formed Toyota Team Europe (TTE). TTE relocated from Brussels to Cologne in 1979 and major success followed, with multiple victories throughout the 1980s in the Ivory Coast and Safari rallies in Africa highlighting Toyota's strength and reliability.


Meanwhile, in 1985, Toyota Australia formed a new touring car team, Toyota Team Australia (TTA) which, with Corolla, went on to win its class in the Australian Touring Car Championship and the Bathurst 1000 each year until the team was disbanded in 1990 when the company turned its focus towards the Australian Rally Championship with Neal Bates. In 1990 Spaniard Carlos Sainz earned Toyota its first FIA Driver's World Championship at the wheel of a Celica GT-Four.


Meanwhile, Toyota entered the Le Mans 24-Hour with the TS010, finishing second in 1992 before narrowly missing victory in 1993 and again taking second in 1994. Toyota purchased TTE in 1993 and renamed it Toyota Motorsports GmbH. It won both the drivers' and manufacturers' world rally crowns in 1994 and 1995, before earning a third manufacturers' title in 1999.


In Australia, Neal Bates and Coral Taylor secured the first of three consecutive Australian Rally Championship (ARC) titles in 1993, and also claimed victory in Targa Tasmania. Toyota retuned to Le Mans in 1998 with the all-new GT-One, qualifying second and leading 1-2 for most of the race before mechanical difficulties scuttled their chances. Toyota announced in 1999 it would enter Formula One, using the Le Mans program based in Cologne as the foundation for its team. In the same year Martin Brundle secured pole at Le Mans with the GT-One, with the team's sister GT-One finishing second overall.


In 2000 Toyota secured its first CART series victory with Juan Pablo Montoya, before taking the championship in 2002 with Cristiano da Matta. Headed by Toyota stalwart Ove Andersson, Panasonic Toyota Racing debuted at the 2001 Australian Grand Prix with Mika Salo scoring a point after a tense battle with Australian Mark Webber.


In 2003 Toyota lead its first F1 race, secured the IndyCar title in its debut season and Toyota Team Racing (TTR) was formed, entering two Corollas in the ARC.
2005 saw Toyota finish fourth in the F1 constructors' title with both Jarno Trulli and Ralf Schumacher securing the team's first podiums. In 2006 TTR was renamed TRD and Simon Evans secured the ARC drivers' crown and Toyota scored its first ARC manufacturers' title.


And in 2007, in the spirit of Toyota's core ideal of 'Kaizen' (or the spirit of continuous improvement) Toyota will undertake a new challenge in NASCAR.
Now in its 50th year in motorsport, Toyota has entered North America's premier racing series with the top-selling car for nine of the last 10 years in the US, the Toyota Camry.






NYCshopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2007, 10:53 AM   #7
LowFast
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 99621
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Texas
Default

The truck in those pics looks nice, better than the Taco we get over here.
LowFast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2007, 06:49 AM   #8
monaroCountry
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 44274
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: sydney
Default

That Toyota is nowhere near close in terms of performance, power, and handling balance to the Ford F6 and the HSV GTS............................................... ...

235kw TRD Vs 307kw HSV.

FWD Vs RWD with a 50:50 weight distribution.
monaroCountry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2007, 11:20 AM   #9
aren040
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 74215
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: S. California
Vehicle:
2007 987
Silver-ish

Default

Quote:
Toyota is trying yet again to shed its conservative image with a new performance range aimed at broadening the brand's appeal.
That made me laugh. Then I realized that they were talking about AUS. Even then they are still not competing properly.

The only other thing I can think of is "man those Aussies get some nice looking cars."
aren040 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2007, 11:23 AM   #10
ringe
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 49998
Join Date: Dec 2003
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Vehicle:
2007 WRX CT Stg 2
WRB

Default

Too bad it costs more and makes less power than the Holden/Ford competition.
ringe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-2007, 04:13 AM   #11
monaroCountry
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 44274
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: sydney
Default

Toyota searches for more Aurion TRD power as Mitsu's blown TMR 380 cries enough

By MARTON PETTENDY 6 March 2007

MITSUBISHI’S quest to transform its 380 sedan into a supercharged Ralliart-badged sports sedan may be hampered by the lack of stability control to harness its extra urge, but it seems Toyota cannot extract enough power from its direct rival, the force-fed Aurion TRD.

It had been expected to appear in final production guise at the Melbourne motor show ahead of a March release, but the supercharged Aurion – the first salvo from the new Toyota Racing Development brand that was officially launched in Melbourne on Friday – has now been delayed until the third quarter of 2007.

Instead of a production-ready version of the blown Aurion, Toyota showed a "near-to-production" development of the Aurion Sports Concept that debuted at last October’s Sydney show, alongside a concept of its second TRD model, the supercharged 4.0-litre HiLux TRD.

"We brought a surprise as part of the kick-off for the brand in Australia," said Toyota Australia sales and marketing boss David Buttner. "We wanted to show the concept vehicle so people have an understanding this is not just a one-model brand, that we’ll have more than one model and that over time we can draw on any of the product in the Toyota stable to do performance enhancement work.

"The HiLux TRD will become available. This year we’ll launch both the TRD Aurion and the TRD HiLux, and the TRD HiLux will be available towards the end of the fourth quarter," he said.

While the lack of stability control for its 380 donor car has created problems for Mitsubishi in it attempt to deliver a production version of the 230kW/442Nm TMR concept, the Aurion TRD’s delay appears to be due to the unexpected work required to lift performance by meaningful levels over the Aurion’s standard 200kW/336Nm 3.5-litre V6, which incorporates traction and stability control as standard.

Traction control is optional on the base 380 and standard on the rest of the range, but stability control is not yet available for the 380, which is powered by a 175kW/343Nm 3.8-litre V6. The Ralliart version is alleged to accelerate to 100km/h in six seconds and to 400 metres in 14 seconds.

Toyota has publicly targeted 235kW for the Aurion TRD and Toyota spokesman Mike Breen told GoAuto last week that: "As it turns out, the standard engine’s 200kW output is just about perfect, so it’s taking more work than expected to achieve the extra performance in terms of durability and reliability."

GoAuto has learned that attempts to extract enough power to better the TMR 380’s outputs, via an intercooled and supercharged version of the Aurion V6, have failed and that Toyota now hopes to become the first manufacturer to employ a new-generation twin-screw Eaton supercharger, which is not yet available in Australia, in its search for more power.

"We’re going through what we call our first trial build stage at the moment and we’ll launch in the third quarter. But we’re very, very close," said Mr Buttner on Friday.

"We had some issues along the way and we wanted to make sure that we brought to market a vehicle that was 100 per cent ready and that will be a credit to the Toyota brand.

"We’d rather put to market our best product at the most appropriate time."

Mr Buttner denied durability issues were involved in the delay. "No. We just wanted to make sure that every component was ready. We have a number of suppliers, some of who are new to the Toyota camp. We’re working with them to ensure that every component on that car is 100 per cent before we go to market," he said.

Mr Buttner said the basis for a third TRD model had not yet been decided, but hosed down suggestions its redesigned Corolla, which goes on sale in May, was a shoe-in.

"We’ve got the crystal ball out at the moment. A lot of people are doing a lot of work but we hope to decide on the third model within the next two months," he said.

"We could call on the Yaris or the Corolla - we’ve got a whole host of models, so we’re looking at what can we do to best things with the engine, what can we do to best things with the performance of the vehicle, the styling, and once we’ve made that decision we’ll make the announcement at the appropriate time."

In other Toyota news, Mr Buttner confirmed its first V6-powered RAV4, which will also become available around August, will not be offered with a third-row option.

It’s believed a seven-seat RAV4 V6 would have risked sales cannibalization of Toyota’s second-generation Kluger SUV, which made its Australian debut alongside the new Corolla sedan, hatch and S2000 rally car in Melbourne, and goes on sale here in July.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...ighlight=2,trd
monaroCountry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2007, 12:06 AM   #12
Morgan1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 54802
Join Date: Feb 2004
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: With a Baseball Bat
Vehicle:
2002 Impreza OBS
Project Awessie

Default

Siick
Morgan1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2007, 08:33 PM   #13
FWD WRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 85592
Join Date: Apr 2005
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Oakland
Vehicle:
05 OBP

Default

minus the front clip, it looks like an evo x
FWD WRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2007, 09:10 PM   #14
teiva-boy
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 22825
Join Date: Aug 2002
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Default

Why do people continually bash FWD? Ever drive an older SE-R, or an Integra Type R, heck there are a lot of top SOLO auto-x civics and CRX's that would hand all of your butts on a coned off course.

FWD doesn't mean it can't handle well. And when designed correctly, it's meant to be really competitive.

For me, that car is pretty nice looking. But at $50k, it's about $10K-$15k too high for the market in the US.
teiva-boy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2007, 11:26 PM   #15
Impreza01
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 152
Join Date: Aug 1999
Vehicle:
2002 Impreza WRX
WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by teiva-boy View Post
Why do people continually bash FWD? Ever drive an older SE-R, or an Integra Type R, heck there are a lot of top SOLO auto-x civics and CRX's that would hand all of your butts on a coned off course.

FWD doesn't mean it can't handle well. And when designed correctly, it's meant to be really competitive.

For me, that car is pretty nice looking. But at $50k, it's about $10K-$15k too high for the market in the US.
The older SE-R, ITR, Civics and CRXs had high horsepower with low torque. This car is going to have monster torque for FWD. The Mazdaspeed 3 already has to limit power output in first and second gear through the ECU, and it has a torsen LSD too.
Impreza01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2007, 10:41 AM   #16
daveyboy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 35419
Join Date: Apr 2003
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by teiva-boy View Post
Why do people continually bash FWD? Ever drive an older SE-R, or an Integra Type R, heck there are a lot of top SOLO auto-x civics and CRX's that would hand all of your butts on a coned off course.

FWD doesn't mean it can't handle well. And when designed correctly, it's meant to be really competitive.
Yeah, I mean look at all of the FWD cars that are classed in SS, AS, BS, CS, ES--oh wait, there aren't any--at least remotely competitive ones. I currently autox an STS2 CRX and used to autox an STS Civic hatch. The only reason these cars are competitive are because of their small dimensions, low cg, double wishbone suspension, and very low weight. Name one successful FWD autox car that doesn't include nearly all of those elements that actually competes against real RWD competition.
daveyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2007, 10:28 PM   #17
mobilezen
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 74455
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Denver, CO
Vehicle:
2007 Legacy GT
Diamond Grey Metallic

Default

both truck and car look very nice!
mobilezen is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Huge thanks to Matt and Chase for helping with my spring install!!!! Hokie-wrx wagon Mid Atlantic Impreza Club -- MAIC 10 08-08-2009 09:52 AM
what to mix/chase : jagermeister with WrxWonderWagon Off-Topic 37 06-11-2006 05:09 PM
Subaru signs agreement with Toyota imprezwrx News & Rumors 3 02-11-2005 11:29 AM
What is up with Toyota? MrHorspwer Off-Topic 50 08-25-2004 06:04 PM
FS: Tamiya 1/24 Subaru Impreza WRC with Toyota Bb ashtaron14 Vancouver Impreza Club Forum -- VIC 0 08-16-2002 04:06 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.